South Carolina woman fatally shoots escaped inmate who broke into her home.

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    well then.....how many of you, if you were in her position would have been fine to just call and wait for the police, like so many on the left say is what you should do.

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    There is no left.   "Leftists" apparantly worship government and many seem to believe police are like sacrificial warrior ants.  You need to have grant by the queen to be a sacrificial warrior ant, and everyone should have an equal right to a sacrificial warrior ant.  All rights come from the government, and it's profoundly disturbing that some ants actually have lesser rights than others.

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    Actually I would suspect a democratic lean coinciding with a more law enforcement oriented police department, reputedly being more sensitive to issues of brutality in urban areas, and less supportive of domestic war on evil commodities.
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    I like how some people give advice to others as to how they should and shouldn't defend their own lives, well maybe not advice because it's more dictate, as they stand next to their armed guards, behind their walled mansions.  But yeah who needs a firearm to protect themselves?........

    Shot him in the head, saved tax payers a bunch of money, bravo!
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    ....if you were in her position...
    What was 'her position'?

    The liberal position is that people have an automatic right to use reasonable force to protect themselves and their property.  The key is 'reasonable' - the use of extreme or lethal force is not prohibited but it must be justifiable.  

    For example it would not be ok to shoot someone who accidentally walked away with a pen from your desk at work.   If that is granted then it just a matter of where to draw the line.  

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    she's in her bed room, convict breaks in, has a knife....that is the position she was put in, sorry thought it was obvious.

    there are leftist who wish to do away with the 2a and outlaw guns,  many states have tried to implement a needs test to own a firearm, then there's the whole stand your ground and castle doctrines that some states have but some see to end those, it certainly isn't by the right is it?

    While I maybe wrong, fmpov the leftist whom I speak of (above) are the majority and those you speak of are the minority if not an endangered species.

    you say their property????  hmm


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    Were any words exchanged?  Did she warn him?  

    prima facie, i think she was probably justified - it is the automatic assumption of justification (or thr non-requirement for justification) i have a problem with.

    Here in the UK such cases are very rare.

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    Were any words exchanged?  Did she warn him?   
    that isn't and shouldn't be required, it is not required of the police either.  If you have time to warn, exchange words, fire a warning shot, you are not in immediate danger, is generally how the laws go.

     twice more when they were trying to flee through the window of an adjacent ground floor room
    from the link....this is illegal and a chargeable offense in the U.S.


    but again this is more for those who think the police are the only ones who should have guns, probably wouldn't have worked out so well for her by the sounds of it.




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    Here in the UK such cases are very rare.
    The easier it is to access single shot, semi-automatic or automatic and overpowering weaporary, the more easily people --justified or not---  will be killed.

    I seem to recall to circumstances where an individual in USA  was approaching a house to ask for help or phone or something like that and they were shot.

    Then there is all of the other  innocent people killed by those with lawful or unlawfully aquired weapons.

    More weapons = more uneccesary and uncalled deaths.

    Even Soviet Union and USA agreed they did not need the excess of hydrogen bombs that existed by end of late 80's.  Duhh, more is  not better and in fact stupid.  Ergo M.A.Destruction

    This is minimal brainer.



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    Exactly who are the leftists who would rather wait and call the police despite having a gun in the case of a home invasion? That seems like a colossal mischaracterisation

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    You shouldn't warn someone who's broken into your house.  That's  insane, as any reasonable person would be proactive and you can't expect people to risk their wellbeing.  Killing doesn't have to be justified as its not the intent, but self defense does need to be reasonable or you'll be charged with a crime.  So, if the survivor has a duty to retreat, and a witness provides contradictory evidence, then they would have to explain themselves before a judge.  Now there's a burden of proof placed on them, guilty until proven innocent.  Suspicious circumstances would warrant a court appearance as well, like a poor choice of words with investigators, or in the case of homicide, knowing the deceased and a procecuter will develope a case against you based on facts.  But, for a home invasion, by not saying anything stupid, someone might be able to avoid a court appearance or getting arrested, which to a reasonable degree is how it should be, because they certainly don't deserve any further harassment and there is no way to prove guilt.  

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    read post #6

    the leftist that most speak of and refer to using that word, in this context, are the ones who try to ban guns, want to do away with the 2a etc etc if they accomplish that, their advice is to call the police,  when seconds count the police are just minutes away, this incident is a prime example of that.  So their absurd premise that the police will some how arrive in the nick of time, like super heroes do is.....well......just stupid.
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    I know of one too, where a man came to the door asking for water, and after being taken in and helped, beat the single home owner to death.  How can we reconcile a society where such men can not learn to help themselves, that they are left to their own destruction?
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    Do you have an example where "many" leftists have advocated for calling the police in the case of a home invasion? This seems like an imaginary boogeyman that gun advocates have conjured up, hence why it sounds so absurd. 
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    If you have a home invasion, call the police.  If you are a leftist, pray in the name of equality for the police.  Oh, and this is for science, so do try to control yourself.  I said leftist, and to me it is a pejorative term I wanted to differentiate because of how I've seen people use "the left"  I didn't mean to put words onto the op, but instead not that people are individuals and that left is a political construct.
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    I'm not interested getting into some kind of pedantic back and forth, feel free to use some white out on your screen where I used the word "many" if that's what's causing you distress.
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    the leftist that most speak of and refer to using that word,
    You mean the wingnut fantasy leftist.

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    According to non-profit organization Everytown for Gun Safety, a total of 65 shootings have occurred on school campuses across the United States as of October 4.

    The score so far 65-1
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    there's plenty of wingnuts all around, no side is needed, however, from what I know, the left aka leftist, aka progressive, aka modern day democrats are anti 2a compared to everyone NOT them.

    so the point of the this whole this is to start some b.s. and flip a finger to those who rant on about how bad guns are and we need to do something, though they know not what.  Instigator can be a fun role to play ;)

    oh bravo an anti gun website, good job rofl
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    An anti gun website means those hundreds of people are not dead after all, impressive denial
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    much like the numbers you posted, both are biased and dishonest, but if you'd like continue this kind of debate, start your own thread.
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    So how many hundreds have been murdered in mass shootings in the USA this year?
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    start your own thread 2nd time I've told you this.
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    Questions to hard for you?
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    start your own thread 2nd time I've told you this.
    He isn't allowed to start threads because he lives in socialist Canada where Trudeau authorizes new threads.