U.S. Governors Mafia DP4

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@Barney
Wow, GP doesn't explain his burst of speed to get on a wagon when he's otherwise been lurking all game, and now he's buddying to RM that hard... Wow, just wow!
He's always been a bit knee-jerk when it comes to hopping on wagons, guess he saw an opportunity with RM and then just left. I think it's strange that he's still on me without RM, but as I said to RM, I expected him to be on me.

Back in DP1 when you were chatting with Wylted, you were trying to verify if he was safe to visit... But now you're claiming you had no danger from visiting anyone?
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DP1 he and Wylted talked as if that was the case. I believe that why we've let this third party discussion keep coming back, since if he wasn't misdirecting us, then there had to be a third party or else he would die if he visited scum. We can verify with his own words that hasn't happened.

So I guarantee GP is lying about his role.
Really have to re-read that exchange...

Speaking of which, did you RB SirAnon?
I could not and did not.

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@RationalMadman
If siranon comes and is scum with barney, you realise the situation?
I've already said he's my strongest townread. That's not likely to change in this DP. It's possible, but I'd sooner think you're a scum team with Barney than believe that pairing.

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@whiteflame
Major slip. Me amd Barney are both online with kill pressure on you. If you were Town you would have noticed that.
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@RationalMadman
What part of "sooner" did you not understand? I think you're town. I said as much. I think SirAnon is town. I said as much. I've already stated who I think the scum team is and, yes, this is playing out how I expected if GP and Barney are the remaining members.
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@whiteflame
I am done negotiating. I am going to say this and tjis alone. If you flip Yakuza who also has 1x RB power, GP is definitely Town, you wouldnt convert compulsive visitor

If you flip pure Yakuza, SA has to be partner.

I am completely done rethinking this read I have had since dp1.

VTL whiteflame
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@whiteflame
Now vote me and lets have the real fucking showdown. 

Next DP give hammer to whoever my algorithm says. In no scenario should Barney get it.
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I said next DP assuming this is a whiteflame lynch
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I am totally sure of this vote. So many different things add up to me scumreading him.
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@RationalMadman
You're town or the setup is broken, SirAnon is confirmed town for not mislynching me (I know you promised he's scum if he didn't join one of your wagons, but at this point come on!).

That leaves GP, WF, and myself for the lynch discussions.

As I stated above, if I was Yakuza I'd be dead from converting someone.
Yakuza
Role Description:
The Yakuza may on any night choose to target a player and self-sacrifice in order to convert that player to the mafia team.
If I were scum with any type of converting role, I'd have targeted you NP1 for being effectively lynch proof. I'd bet the same of everyone here.
Also, if there's two scum left, a Yakuza self sacrificing would have given their team victory by now. If there's one scum left, they'd still have used it by now to switch the scum to a power role.
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Official Vote Count:

Whiteflame (2/3) - Grey, RM

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@Barney
There is a common variant of Yaluza that is 1x and doesnt die such as the one that converted you when you replaced me in that game.
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@Barney
Okay when I say yaluza I mean 1x recruiter, same shit to me, yak default sacrifices but doesnt always
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Pie has informed me, Purifier doesnt do things like cure miller or compulsive visitor.


My vote is not moving off of WF either way.
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@RationalMadman
Why wouldn't they have recruited you for lynch immunity?
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@RationalMadman
Analysis says WF or GP are scum. Therefore, one of them is lying about their roles. If either is, which would it be and to what real role for the game to balance?
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@Barney
I didn't think of that.

I know I am Town and it literally didnt occur to me to think that way. Idk what else to say.

I do have a good reason why; I already was a reason wylted Lived and they did figure Supa may be itching to Ot to me. It is wiser to recruit a potential investigative PR or gunned PR for sure.
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@Barney
No it doesnt, I believe you are scum with WF as things are.
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@Barney
I am abspltely sure WF is svum, what do you eant me to tell you?
It is so so so many different things he said, how.he said and did them etc tjis game. My subconscious has been picking it up from dp1 but him outing as a used up 1z jailer when we were voting That2 anyway is the weirdest thing, even weirder than him voting after lynches are complete for 2 dps. He just said he'd sooner consider you and I as a team.

I have 3 secret additional reasons or clues that make me scumread him but I a. Dedicated to having secret reads for emergencies only. He is already obvius to me beyond the secret tells he has leaked.
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Potential teams:
GP and whiteflame having infighting. For which I am not hammering when my scum read is more strongly on GP.

GP and myself... I'd have quick hammered with GP and RM way earlier.

GP and SirAnon, SirAnon is confirmed town. If he doesn't quick hammer when he gets on, he'll be double confirmed town.

GP and RM, the game would be broken if mafia could have someone who's lynchproof. Pie might make mistakes, but he's not an intentional bastard mod.
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@Barney
As recruited senator, if I even kept my power, I would only be lynch proof until mylo ended for Town which was on mislynch away.
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One mislynch away**
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@Barney
I think WF is a perpetual roleblocker. No recruitment element. I think his partner is you.

That is my current read.
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@Barney
But that is pure guesswork.
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@RationalMadman
I'd bet money he's lying about being 1x. A lie to keep himself from being killed that night for being a protective role makes sense.

Me, I've tried to get scums attention a few times to be targeted for the NK.

All of our worries about a third party came from GP and Wylted implying GP would die if he visited the wrong team. If he dies for visiting town, that would just be messed up. He could also be a lost mafia member (I can't remember the term for it, but I saw it in a game on here awhile back) where they have to visit someone on their team to get into the family groupchat.
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@RationalMadman
You lose one level of protection with each mislynch. That would make it take everyone except you voting for you to lynch. If I was scum, that would be my wet dream.
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@Greyparrot
Why were you so quick to vote, and then refuse to follow RMs lead when he unvoted?

You're caught either way. You haven't died from visiting scum or town, not that your visits can be confirmed. With no sign of third parties, if I'm wrong then what was all your talk with Wylted about in DP1 that you'd die if you visited the wrong person?
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@Barney
No
 Even deaths reduce it. In other words no matter what once 3 are dead I lose it. 
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@Barney
But if somehow it was MYLO while I was still negative votes against, I would instantly lose it anyway.
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@Barney
Town lying about being 1x on dp4 is gamehrpwing. He has stayed true to the lie by not saying 'by the way I lied and visited these w people afger' today.

Whiteflame would never gt like that. He is scum.
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@RationalMadman
No
 Even deaths reduce it. In other words no matter what once 3 are dead I lose it. 
Dude, if that was true, you'd be at -2 or even -3. Meaning any lone scum could kill you, if you did not just die at the start of this day phase.

Plus, that's not what the role description says:
Senator
The Senator is a mafia-aligned player that starts the game with -3 votes on them. This value will increase by +1 for each day that a town-aligned player is lynched to a maximum of +2.
Were I scum, I'd vote you right not to end this game.