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"Political prisoner" allows for the inference of specialness.

Though tends to apply to someone imprisoned on the basis of espousing or protesting  anti-establishment ideology, rather than committing an actually crime such as murder or manslaughter.


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I 'am more familiar with it as a term used to talk about an individual running for political office,
And then being imprisoned for bogus reasons by the political group 'currently in office.

Though I've also heard it used talking about activists imprisoned by whatever political group happens to currently be in power in some country.

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I 'suppose, one can stretch it's meaning,
After all politics is values, and everything is values, in a manner of speaking.
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But then even an individual who steals from a store, could be a political prisoner,
If they advocate for a society without property for example.
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Though I suppose some people say they just do it because they wanted the item/money/fun,
Funocracy.
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Hm, I don't view the hostages in Israel as 'political prisoners,
So much as hostages taken by a terrorist organization,
Though one could argue political group.
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Depends upon who made the documentary.

Do you mean who financed it? 
IMHO, I do not care who funds a movie, documentary, podcast, or print news source.
Addressing the source and not the content of the material = a genetic fallacy.
I always focus on the content, not who made/paid for it.

Documentaries tend to be propaganda sponsored by an agenda.

Yeah, like Jadda Pinket-Smith's CLEOPATRA? That was obvious from the get-go.
The documentary, "The Trayvon Hoax," not so much.
The Fall of Minneapolis, not so much either.
The journalist and her husband were knee deep in the thick of it, and as such they know/knew things that were kept from the public. And their honor and integrity demanded they share the truth.  

Perhaps you have a similar agenda?

Truth is my agenda. 

Time will tell, if you stick around.

I just got here. Why wouldn't I stick around? 
Is there something I should know?
Do I need to know something?

Do tell. 



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What makes someone a political prisoner?

When politics are used to unjustly imprison someone.


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Every law is political, maybe,
And 'many people consider themselves unjustly imprisoned. Probably.

Take marijuana users,
Though I wasn't for legalizing it in the past,
I considered the many prison sentences given as punishment, wrong.

Derek Chauvin wasn't imprisoned for being a Republican, Democrat, or Communist.


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Derek Chauvin wasn't imprisoned for being a Republican, Democrat, or Communist.
And he wasn't imprisoned for being a racist either. 

Take marijuana users,
False equivalency fallacy to this case. 

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Well,
I'd say people viewing him as a racist, likely had an effect on the sentence they gave him,
As with people viewing an individual as black, can have an effect on the sentence they give them.
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Not that I am taking the view that there is or is not systemic racism in the USA,
But I 'do think various identifiers will have various effects in various situations.

Still, being a racist isn't a political party?
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Why are marijuana users a false equivalency fallacy to this case?
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Well,
I'd say people viewing him as a racist, likely had an effect on the sentence they gave him,
Chauvin didn't even arrest Floyd. A black cop, fresh on the job, made that decision. 
Chauvin showed up at the end when Floyd kept resisting and crying he wants to be put on the ground, as he is claustrophobic.
At trial, nothing was presented to suggest or even remotely prove race had anything to do with it. 
All the public saw was what the left and the MSM sold them, snake oil. 

As with people viewing an individual as black, can have an effect on the sentence they give them.
There is no rationalization or justification for this anymore. That's been put to bed for quite some time. It's illegal. And has been for a long while. 

Not that I am taking the view that there is or is not systemic racism in the USA,
Well, there isn't. 

Still, being a racist isn't a political party?
Agreed. But the Democrats have a long history of it 

Why are marijuana users a false equivalency fallacy to this case?
Marijuana users don't take lethal doses of fentanyl when trying to pass fake money to buy a banana. 
Marijuana users don't resist arrest exactly like Floyd did, and they don't have serious cardiovascular problems like Floyd did that compromised his health to the point of OD. 

That's why. 






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I thought you were being sarcastic by saying,
"And he wasn't imprisoned for being a racist either." #96
I thought you were implying he was unfairly depicted as a racist to the jury.

Been some time since I glanced at the trial,
I don't recall if the prosecution brought up Chauvin and race at all,
I don't 'think the jury was sequestered early on, so regardless if the prosecution brought it up, they could have been influenced by various sources.
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I think that a person's 'qualities, effect how people treat them,
'regardless of it being illegal or not.
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I still don't understand the false equivalence?

I used marijuana as an example, to attempt to understand how you are defining a political prisoner,
Not to say fentanyl and marijuana cause equal harm.
You said,
"When politics are used to unjustly imprison someone." #94

'I was referring to political laws unjustly putting people in jail,
By this I was expressing my view that your definition of political prisoner sounds a bit 'wide.

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@Lemming
I thought you were being sarcastic by saying,
"And he wasn't imprisoned for being a racist either." #96
I thought you were implying he was unfairly depicted as a racist to the jury.

That is EXACTLY what I meant. He was UNJUSTLY depicted as a racist to the jury. 

Been some time since I glanced at the trial,
I don't recall if the prosecution brought up Chauvin and race at all,
Race did not come up at all. At least not as the leftist would like.

I don't 'think the jury was sequestered early on
They were not sequestered at all, and that is one of the contentious points of this trial. 

so regardless if the prosecution brought it up, they could have been influenced by various sources.

I still don't understand the false equivalence?
That's your problem, not mine. I've explained it, clearly. 



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Even if the jury thought he was a racist,
I don't think that was tied to politics, any more than some other stances people have,
Like marijuana.

Even if politicians take a stance though,
Chauvin wasn't a politician or pushing for some big movement.
. . I suppose you might argue some other people were, BLM,
But to my view a political prisoner needs be more involved in politics themself,
Take the Jews for example,
I don't view them as political prisoners in the Holocaust, just victims.

Very well, if you think you've explained it clearly, more needs not be said.
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@Sam_Flynn
Like me, you will inevitably lack a lot of relevant data.

I'm not even sure if it's possible to know everything.


And if you're not even concerned with the veracity of data, or the presenters thereof.

How can one be expected to give any credence to your reinterpretation.
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“The Truth About George Floyd’s Death | Glenn Loury and John McWhorter | The Glenn Show”:


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THANK YOU!!!!

I am currently watching it right now.

I have already watched The Fall of Minneapolis, the documentary they are referring to, and Glenn and John are 100% spot on!!!!!

America was lied to.
Chauvin and the other officers are innocent and because of politics, made them martyr political prisoners in the name of race baiting policies. 
it's absolutely disgusting.
Democrats at the center of it. 
All of it. 
Same as with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Crystal Magnum, Ahmad Arbury (sp?), so on and so forth. 
Lie after lie after lie in order to further the race divide between blacks and whites.