I think in 2024, I'm planning on voting democrat down the ticket for the first time in my life

Democrats in 2008: Women have XX chromosomes.

Ketanji Brown Jackson: I cant define what a woman is; Im not a biologist.

Democrats (most of them): Ya, put her on the Supreme Court cause she’s a black “woman” (who can’t even define what a woman is) and deserves to be on the court just because she’s black.

Democrats: Racism is bad and should constitute a hate crime (even though calling someone the n word is legal under the first amendment)

Ralph Northam and other top Virginia officials: Ya we wore blackface and Klan robes, but that’s fine

Democrats and their media allies: It’s okay, we’ll cover for you and everything will be alright. You can keep your office and shouldn’t have to resign. Just let the news cycle finish

Democrats: We want to forgive student loans

Me: Well what about all the people that worked their asses off to pay back the money they willingly got after signing a contract. Not to mention where are you going to get the money.

Democrats: We care about people who pay thousands for a gender studies degree. Oh and money grows on trees. Big government, yay.

Democrats: We support Black Lives Matter. Donate to BLM to help the black community.

Democrats: Pocket the BLM money to buy mansions and other luxurious items rather than helping black people.

I noticed how you didn't address any of the times I called the GOP politicians and voters hypocrites.

I define a woman as someone who looks more or less like this:

I think Northam resigned due to his party calling him to resign, so the democrats have values they enforce.  If a democrat politician didn't want the COVID vaccine, I wouldn't care, but the democrat base (which I'm not a part of) would call for that person to resign from their job or get vaccinated.

I'm left wing on free college because the elderly people got college that cost $50 a semester because it was heavily government subsidized back then. 

Now, the elderly get it for free in my state (but not Gen Z, because elderly people vote right wing and Gen Z doesn't).  I want Gen Z to have the same treatment with regard to free college as the elderly.

I'm right wing on BLM to an extent.  BLM states 3 objectives:

1) Repeal Qualified immunity

2) Give reperations to black Americans

3) Complain about white privilege.

If BLM's objectives were the following:

1) Repeal Qualified immunity

2) End single motherhood in the black home

3) (This one is optional; I don't care if you believe in white privilege or not) Complain about white privilege.

Then I would support them.

But BLM is just a culture war distraction.  I care more about the US debt, which republicans critisize democrats for increasing until they get into power and increase it when they are in power.

I noticed that you willingly ignored the hypocrisy of Democrats in your decision to vote Democrat, which is why I highlighted the hypocrisy.

Yet you’re voting for a party who does not agree with that.

Northam did not resign. You’re voting for Democrats, therefore, you are complicit in their hypocrisy regardless of if you’re part of their base or not.

Again, you are happy to subsidize someone getting a gender studies degree and then complaining about their 10 dollar minimum wage job about McDonalds. Either way, people still had to work to pay off debt they willingly entered into. Don’t go to college if you can’t afford. There are a lot of vocation and trade schools out there too.

Yet you would vote for the party that is against everything you just said.

Good point.

I don’t agree with ANY party 100% of the time.  I have many left and right beliefs.

I thought he did; some Virginia democrat resigned over doing something racist.

I don’t support subsidizing any woke major.  This includes all majors based on race, gender, or sexual orientation.  But STEM majors should be free, just like they were for the elderly.

I’m not a 100% democrat or Republican.  Parties are bad for free thought and they promote group think (which is bad for this country).  I’m an independent; it’s the independents politicians need to fight for.

Once again you ignore the burden on taxpayers and ignore the fact you’re giving a massive middle finger to those who worked hard and paid off their debt with blood sweat and tears.

Independents hold no allegiance

the reason why turning out the base is the core of any get out the vote campaign.

The people who paid off their debt had their college heavily subsidized by the state, so it makes more sense to just make college for productive majors free.  If college wasn’t subsidized, it would cost about $50,000 a year(private universities cost about that much).

This is based; policies before parties.

Most people that vote in elections are base voters.   But most politicians can’t win on just their base; they need independents to vote for them to win.

Roy Moore: Rapes a child

Republicans(most of them): We'll vote for him.  We think he is a child rapist, but he has an R next to his name, so we will vote for him.

You realize that state taxes go to education as well right? As a Texas taxpayer, I’m entitled to a subsidized rate compared to a random dude from California. If I wanted to go to California it would be expensive for me. The system works.

Humans are inherently tribalistic and have been since the beginning of time. If you choose to be an independent, you die when push comes to shove.

 It’s the remaining 5-10% that can decide in small margins. 

So you’re fine with college being free as long as you go in state?  I mean, you have no issue with state taxes that go to state colleges, so why not make the entire thing free for in state residents?

It's not good to be tribalistic now, just like during the caveman days, you could be a racist, but now that is taboo because society changed. 

Similarly, society should change by getting rid of political parties and forcing every politician to run as an independent.

  Tribalism is bad; it prohibits free thought and it promotes group think.

What does Affirmative action have to do with free college or vaccine mandates?

On some of these issues I'm left and others I'm right wing.  Why are pretty much all the loud anti Affirmitive action people anti free college and anti vacciene mandate (or vice versa)?  The issues have nothing to do with each other, so your stance on one issue shouldn't impact your stance on the other.

And if tribalism was encouraged, there would be no way you could convince a democrat on ANY issue you believe in because to convince them on one issue (Affirmative action), you would have to simultaneously convince them on the 81 issues that democrats and republicans disagree on. 

It's impossible for one partisan to convince another partisan, but the independents are a different story, because they don't look at issues through a partisan lens.

Cause I believe in a balanced budget and also the fact that trade school is also important. Nothing is ever free.

Humans are inherently tribalistic whether consciously or subconsciously.

Why? If people want to band together and run under a common platform, why should that be disallowed. You’re essentially taking away their right to gather.

False. If there is only one tribe then your argument would be true; as long as there are more than one, by definition groupthink cannot be possible.

Why should I subsidize someone who doesn’t even belong there. There are hundreds of hard working Asian students that want to go to school to learn but are prevented because affirmative action allowing African Americans and Hispanics who aren’t as engaged in education.

The issues are correlated most of the time. Most issues affect other issues.

You can be in more than one tribe at once…political tribes aren’t the only tribes that exist.

They don’t consciously look at it through a partisan view, but subconsciously they do it.

 Why do suburban moms dislike Trump? Because they don’t like the mean Tweets. Mean tweets = political correctness issue.

I do not vote for a party because I whole heartedly believe in everything they do or say.

Compared to other items (military budget) free college doesn't get this nation that much in debt.  It costs about $60 billion a year (vs $800 billion for the military).  Anyone who supports the military budget being that high is not for a balanced budget, no matter what justification they try to give for the military budget being so high ("It defends freedom", "Protects our interests").  The military kills innocent civilians so the military budget should be 1% of the GDP.

You can have free college and free trade schools for those that want to do it.  That would be pro trade school.

They can gather around a certain politician, but not around a party.  If you like Donald Trump because he's pro life and you agree with that, I have no issue with that.  But don't be afraid to criticize Trump when he says something you disagree with. 

Abortion has nothing to do with immigration. 

You can want abortion banned (generally) and oppose deportations (generally) (or vice versa).  The presence of political parties has led to the vast majority of vocally pro life people supporting deportations with the converse, inverse, and contrapositive being true.  Since abortion has nothing to do with whether the undocumented get deported or not, people shouldn't base their opinion on the undocumented on their opinion of abortion (or vice versa).  But political parties have caused this to happen, and it's made otherwise free thinkers into group thinkers.

There are 2 tribes; democrats and republicans, and group think happens within both of these parties.

If the parties switch on any issue gradually, the base follows along and switches their values because of what the parties say.  They did that in my lifetime with American interventionism.  Prager U (a right wing source) is pro interventionist below:

Why America's Military Must Be Strong - YouTube

This was before Trump was elected.  The left disagreed, citing the huge expense of the military budget and the deaths of civilians.

Now, the people that want America's military to be strong (for Ukraine) are on the left.  The right disagrees, citing America first (which is the SAME argument the left was saying 8 years ago (the huge expense of the military budget).

There are hundreds of poor smart students that want to go to school to learn but are prevented because of the cost (which would be made free if the government paid for 100% of college costs instead of the 60% that they currently do). 

You didn't address the following point: There was a time in US history when college was practically free for people.  Nobody cared; free college was like free high school.  Why should it be any different now?

How so?  What does immigration policy have to do with vaccine mandates or gun control? 

You can want ICE abolished and want no vaccine mandates and more gun control.

You can want ICE abolished and want no vaccine mandates and less gun control.

You can want ICE abolished and want vaccine mandates and more gun control.

You can want ICE abolished and want vaccine mandates and less gun control.

You can want ICE not abolished and want no vaccine mandates and more gun control.

You can want ICE not abolished and want no vaccine mandates and less gun control.

You can want ICE not abolished and want vaccine mandates and more gun control.

You can want ICE not abolished and want vaccine mandates and less gun control.

If someone had ANY of the 6 non bolded stances, they would be thinking for themselves.  But if their stance is bolded, they probably not thinking for themselves and looking at these issues through their party's lens instead of their own.  My stance on these issues is underlined.

That's not good and it should stop.

If you dislike Trump because of mean tweets and you don't want to vote for him because of it, I have no issue with that.  But don't be afraid to give him credit on the abortion issue if you were pro life pre Trump.  Don't be afraid to give him credit on immigration if you liked ICE pre Trump. 

There is an exception if you changed your mind on the issue, but if you change your mind on an issue, don't have it be because somebody you don't like backed a position.  Change your mind because of logic that was used to change your mind.

Democrats in 2008: Women have XX chromosomes.

Ketanji Brown Jackson: I cant define what a woman is; Im not a biologist.

Democrats (most of them): Ya, put her on the Supreme Court cause she’s a black “woman” (who can’t even define what a woman is) and deserves to be on the court just because she’s black.

Democrats: Racism is bad and should constitute a hate crime (even though calling someone the n word is legal under the first amendment)

Ralph Northam and other top Virginia officials: Ya we wore blackface and Klan robes, but that’s fine

Democrats and their media allies: It’s okay, we’ll cover for you and everything will be alright. You can keep your office and shouldn’t have to resign. Just let the news cycle finish

Democrats: We want to forgive student loans

Me: Well what about all the people that worked their asses off to pay back the money they willingly got after signing a contract. Not to mention where are you going to get the money.

Democrats: We care about people who pay thousands for a gender studies degree. Oh and money grows on trees. Big government, yay.