"God's Failed Promise Made to the Mother of Jesus."

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God,  through his messenger said to be Gabriel promised this to the Virgin Mary who it is said gave birth to his son, the Messiah Jesus:
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30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1:30-33  King James Version

Not a single part of this promise came to fruition. 



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Whoomp, there it is!

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Didn't  take me long to flush you out for the fkn clown that you are , did it? What was 3 or 4 posts? 🤣
You gave yourself away far too early you fkn idiot.🤣🤣


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And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
It came true.

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
It came true, not physically, but spiritually. 

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1:30-33
Christianity is the house of Jacob, and it will rein forever. It will exist and be the light of all good forever. 
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I except nothing less than these comments from a troll.

It was a joke. Laugh at it or don't 
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and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
I believe this is about kingdom of heaven. It will have no end, since it will be eternal.
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Belief is uncertainty.

You believe that it is.

But you don't know that it is.
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One would assume that Christianity was the house of Christ.

Jacob was just one of those guys that tripped on something and heard voices.
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Stephen wrote: How about gods failed promise  made to the mother of Jesus?


Do you prefer me to start a new thread so we can discuss it?#29

Skipper_Sr . It's up to you, Stephen. If you make one, title it "God's Failed Promise Made to the Mother of Jesus." If you don't, I will not interact with that new discussion forum and will continue on this one instead#31
Stephen : All done.


God,  through his messenger said to be Gabriel promised this to the Virgin Mary who it is said gave birth to his son, the Messiah Jesus:
saying; 

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1:30-33  King James Version

Not a single part of this promise came to fruition. 


Stephen wrote: Didn't  take me long to flush you out for the fkn clown that you are , did it? What was 3 or 4 posts? 🤣
You gave yourself away far too early you fkn idiot.🤣🤣


Skipper_Sr wrote:  It was a joke. Laugh at it or don't .

I did laugh at you,  you fkn bone head. But like everything else you missed the imogies. they look like this>>>🤣🤣

And this is you "wanting serious debate" is it .https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9055-a-series-of-biblical-debates 😂 

You are as dumb as that Reverend  Tradsecrete, that "aspires to be like you". 
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And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
It came true.
No.


He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
It came true, not physically, but spiritually. 
When all else fails , default to the supernatural .


And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1:30-33
Christianity is the house of Jacob, and it will rein forever. It will exist and be the light of all good forever. 
Wrong again. 

Tell me;
did the Messiah Jesus rebuild the temple? 
Did he unite all the tribes of IS-RA - EL?
Did he bring peace to earth?
Did he free the Jews from the Roman yoke? 
These are just some of the requirements expected of the coming Messiah-

Read your bible. 
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You believe that it is. But you don't know that it is.
I know that christianity is correct. You will know too, after the kingdom comes.
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No.
Yes it did. Did you read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or any part of the New Testament?


When all else fails , default to the supernatural .
Well, God is a supernatural being. 

Wrong again. 

Tell me;
did the Messiah Jesus rebuild the temple? 
Did he unite all the tribes of IS-RA - EL?
Did he bring peace to earth?
Did he free the Jews from the Roman yoke? 
These are just some of the requirements expected of the coming Messiah-

Read your bible. 
1.) Jesus rebuilding the temple : Making a way for us to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Also, the temple before Jesus was the only place you could worship, now we can worship anywhere. 
2.) He united everyone in the world, so yes he did do that.
3.) Yes he did bring a way for peace into the earth, but only by our choosing may that happen.
4.) Yes he did free the Jews spiritually.

You read your Bible. 
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Did you read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or any part of the New Testament?


Yes.
And depending on which gospel one chooses to believe, Jesus’ ministry lasted one year(some argue three+ years),  and in that time is all he seemed to have managed to do was attempt to reunite the lost tribes or “lost sheep” of Israel and failed, surround himself with rich zealots, and other rich individuals of power and influence, upset the ruling classes, say some philosophical sounding and bias things and inherited nothing but three nails, two bits of wood, and very thorny crown with a lovely view overlooking the Kidron Valley as he hung their suffering on the crucifix made from said materials and after praying to his "father" to "relieve him of his terror". 
(WHICH  must be the first recorded incident where a prayer to god had gone unanswered)!  Indeed he asked his own father and is all he got was crickets..... and arrested.
And this does not in anyway resemble sitting on the throne of King David to rule over the Jews and reign over all of Jerusalem "for ever and ever", as his mother was promised.

Read your bible.


Wrong again. 

Tell me;
did the Messiah Jesus rebuild the temple? 
Did he unite all the tribes of IS-RA - EL?
Did he bring peace to earth?
Did he free the Jews from the Roman yoke? 
These are just some of the requirements expected of the coming Messiah-

Read your bible. 
1.) Jesus rebuilding the temple : Making a way for us to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Also, the temple before Jesus was the only place you could worship, now we can worship anywhere. 
The temple was destroyed AD 70 and has never been rebuilt by Jesus in or after his life time. Stop talking ridiculous.

Read Josephus.


2.) He united everyone in the world, so yes he did do that.
Nope. There are many religions that do not follow Jesus and that are not Christians.. There were no Christians in Jesus' time.
Read your bible



3.) Yes he did bring a way for peace into the earth, but only by our choosing may that happen.

Nope. You are being utterly silly. There are still wars going on to this day around the world and including Jesus' own pissing ground; IS-RA-El .
Read Josephus.


4.) Yes he did free the Jews spiritually.


No. Palestine remained under Roman occupation after the crucifixion and after the fall of the Temple. 
Read Josephus.

 And to cover all these failed non events is all you can default to is that "everything was done -  but Spiritually". 🤣

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Not a single part of this promise came to fruition. 
"31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus." 

How about verse 31? This did not happen?


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Not a single part of this promise came to fruition. 
"31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus." 

How about verse 31? This did not happen?

 Only the Old Testament prophesy - which Christians heavily rely on for "proof" that Jesus was the Messiah-  says his name will be called "Immanuel". Isaiah 7:14

But non of this matters. Even if his name was Emmanuel instead of Jesus, your boy failed as the promised Messiah.




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There are many names given to Jesus in the Bible. Immanuel is one of them. 

your boy failed as the promised Messiah.
How did he fail?
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your boy failed as the promised Messiah.
How did he fail?
You are not keeping up. You missed post #10 above.

And depending on which gospel one chooses to believe, Jesus’ ministry lasted one year(some argue three+ years),  and in that time is all he seemed to have managed to do was attempt to reunite the lost tribes or “lost sheep” of Israel and failed, surround himself with rich zealots, and other rich individuals of power and influence, upset the ruling classes, say some philosophical sounding and bias things and inherited nothing but three nails, two bits of wood, and very thorny crown with a lovely view overlooking the Kidron Valley as he hung their suffering on the crucifix made from said materials and after praying to his "father" to "relieve him of his terror". 
(WHICH  must be the first recorded incident where a prayer to god had gone unanswered)!  Indeed he asked his own father and is all he got was crickets..... and arrested.
And this does not in anyway resemble sitting on the throne of King David to rule over the Jews and reign over all of Jerusalem "for ever and ever", as his mother was promised.

Stop wasting your time and mine.


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and after praying to his "father" to "relieve him of his terror". 
Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane,
"O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - Matthew 26:39 KJV. Jesus was anxious for the events of the night, but He was still willing to carry out His Father's commands. 

And this does not in anyway resemble sitting on the throne of King David to rule over the Jews and reign over all of Jerusalem "for ever and ever", as his mother was promised.
The kingdom of Jesus is not a worldly kingdom. God does rule over us. "Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And thy dominion endureth throughout all generations." Psalm 145:13 KJV

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The kingdom of Jesus is not a worldly kingdom. 

Well apart from this being of no use whatsoever to god's people in there hour of need, can you show us all where in the OT prophecies does is mention that Jesus or any of the other Messiah's will rule over some other worldly kingdom?