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@YouFound_Lxam
I've answered the question 3 times now. If you disagree, tell me why.
Is abortion bad?
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@Sir.Lancelot
If the coma patient demonstrates a possibility for recovery, then terminating their life could be seen as murder.
Doesn't the same apply for a cell, that demonstrates a possibility for full development into a human being?
had intended to live for longer, and did not give pre-consent to having their life ended
You can't confirm that they wanted to live longer.
Also, a zygote/embryo/fetus did not give pre-consent to having their life ended, or even to be created.
It’s also likely they weren’t put into a coma voluntarily and after waking up, they will still want to live on.
This is not true. The majority of coma patients fall into a coma, because of either a tragic accident, or a physical problem, not by their own choice.
The fetus during conception does not process thought, emotion, or demonstrate the capacity for intention. So the comparison to a coma patient is moot anyway.
Nope. During an abortion, it has been proven that the abortion procedure causes pain to a fetus, and also, fetus's (not zygotes) have recorded brain activity, so there is no way to prove they don't process thought, emotion, etc.
Defining 'murder' in the moral sense is both unclear and entirely subjective. But even if we were to define abortion as murder at this stage, then to be morally consistent, we'd have to consider every human being a murderer because they kill skin-cells every day.
Skin cells don't have the capacity for human life.
And even if they did, we don't have control over our body's natural functions, therefore it would not be our moral conscience making that decision, therefore not murder.
Abortion is someone using their moral conscience to terminate a living organism that is seperate from themselves.
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@SkepticalOne
I disagree with your answer, because you are not answering the question in the way I asked.
I asked if the action of terminating a child in the womb is morally wrong (no other factors involved)
But you are involving bodily rights into the argument, which goes against no other factors involved.
Just answer the question about the action itself. Is the action itself morally wrong?
Is having an affair with a porn star and then paying her to keep quiet about it bad?
This has nothing to do with lawful conduct.
Do you believe that the act itself is morally bad?
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@YouFound_Lxam
In your opinion, do you believe that abortion is bad?
Good and bad are relative to so many factors. Many of which are mentioned in this thread, ergo, all relative truths
Do you believe that the act of abortion is morally bad?
Again, relative truths. There is no cosmic absolute truth in these regards of morality.
There are a set of circumstances and circumstances alter cases.
The factors relative a never ending set of variable circumstances are too many to be listed on this forum in a 1000 years or more.
It is virtual rape for other to be sticking their nose into a pregnant womans bodily business without her consent to do so. A sic-n-head practice.
8 billion humans on Earth and growing. There is an elephant in the room issue here that humanity is avoiding. Avoidance kicks the can further along the road, to be dealt with as we walk along the road and encounter it again, and again and again, until......?.....
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@ebuc
I said no other factors involved, just the plain action of terminating a fetus in the womb.
I asked if the action of terminating a child in the womb is morally wrong (no other factors involved)
My first response to your question:
Given that the question is absent nuance, my answer will match: no.
I said no other factors involved, just the plain action of terminating a fetus in the womb.
No, you did use word 'factors' in post 1. Factors eternally exist and everyone mentions them in this thread, just as you do in post 1. Read your own lips/text.
In your opinion, do you believe that abortion is bad?
Your first given factor is question of good or bad and there relative to factors of the environmental set of circumstances. You cant have one without the other
Do you believe that the act of abortion is morally bad?
Then your morality factor. I addressed both to best of my ability. Your confused at best and at worst cannot accept the above truths, as presented. You cannot have cake without a cake being baked.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Although this seems like an easy question, there are some who argue a tanswoman (male to female) can get an abortion. Or at least it should be offered to them.
Some indicate induced abortion is necessary for still births. Personally I think one does not have an abortion at this point because the unborn/preborn has passed. Therefore the procedure is different. However I can see how a c section is still a c section in the same situation. Depending on developmen stage I guess I just look at it as induced birthing.
I say yes, partially because the negative impact abortion has on women as well as the congotation that having an abortion does not matter or should not matter.
Here is example:
Places like this exist because induced abortion and abortions in general have negative affects. Not dealing with those affects can be worst. We should be able to recognize the emotional and mental impact.
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@hey-yo
We should be able to recognize the emotional and mental impact.
Agree, these are important! Now, what about the financial and emotional and mental impacts on the kid you want this woman to have? What programs or plans do you think should be in place to manage the cost of, and negative impacts on, unwanted children to unwed and disproportionately poor mothers are you thinking about? Start with would you force the mother to raise the baby, or just give birth to it? If the idea is to adopt out all the babies, I'd point out that the supply of children waiting for adoption outpaces demand, otherwise there wouldn't be foster homes.
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@ludofl3x
Wow. Yes. Helping those women and children is great and they need more help. Unfortunately their issues are swept under the abortion rug. Cant pay the bills? Get an abortion. Having stress? Get an abortion. Unfortunate that even the phsycological impact that develops from abortion is not even recognized by most clinics and pro abortion advocates.
So what would I do?
That is a good question. If we consider the question as vaccuum hypothetical, there is much that would be done.
1. Tax breaks for providers that offer services at discount prices to pregnant women.
2. Increased tax breaks amd tax credit for those who give pregnant women free services.
3. Tax credit for companies that provide disability/pregnancy compensation and time off based on each month given the a given employee.
So if a woman takes 13 months off for her pregnacy, birth, and bonding time - the woman will keep her job, get paid at 2/3 rd her rate, and the company will recieve tax credit for each given month to help compensate for their costs.
4. A nationalized day care system that works similar to nursing. Allowing for regional servers to house background checks, basic employee information, etc.
5. Using the national day care system to offer free daycare for children ages 4 and under. Ages 5 and up will be given a low participation rate. Resources will be allocated from federal, state, local taxes and donations.
If we look at current conditions there are many non profits that provide something to mothers in need. We need to include more counseling but current numbers are growing.
Unforunately medical providers still do not have adequate team for pregnancies. We can see medical groups claim to give you a team of professionals (kaiser does this in their commercials).
When my wife gave birth to our 1st child, there were 10 people in the delivery room. Women need at least 3 professionals dedicated to her pregnancy and over all health. Including primary, obgyn, and psycologist. It takes a village to raise a kid and we have forgone that privilege.
There are many non profits out there that help familes and women a like. Some are pro life like letthemlive.org that offers financial assistance.
Our main take away should be thet not every abortion is because a woman is pregnant with an unwanted child but a child she feels is unable to be supported. All efforts should be to help her maintain that child. If not, then adoption is next best thing.
In regards to foster care and adoption. There is a waiting list for both the kid who is waiting to be adopted and parents who want to be adopted. With good intent there is red tape between adoptions.
In some cases a family member is using civil courts to adopt or obtain custody. Some children are waiting to go back home to parents who need to change their act. This chance should be given. Otherwise medical needs for a child can not be met at home.
What ever the reason, there are means to look at the situation respectfuly and find a solution. Although I do not like the current foster care system, we have to work with it to imrove it.
I can not spend too much time on this post so I will leave it as is for now.