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I believe that the LGBT community and ideology is not healthy for society, and must be eradicated (the ideology, not the people). 
Simply put, we today, base all of technology, weapons, health, etc. in science. For all of human history and today, we have used science to further ourselves as humans. Science also includes biology. If there is an ideology that is being pushed on society that is going against biology, a scientific principle. 

An ideology that goes against science, is not going to help us to advance, and will do the opposite. 

That's my basic belief. 

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Everything else isn't far off, but LGBTQ is not anti-science or anti-biology. Could you clarify how it IS being anti-science?
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What exactly is this LGBTQ ideology anyway?

Why does it affect you?
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Can you ask the mods to make this thread so that me and you can reply to it? Otherwise this is futile. Give me an hour or 2 to ask the mods.
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Wait a minute why did you not state the rule that this is for me and me alone?
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I didn't know that you could make one with only two people. 

My mistake, I will make one. 
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I believe that the LGBT community and ideology is not healthy for society, and must be eradicated (the ideology, not the people). 
  • LGBT is obviously not an ideology but a way of describing an extrememly diverse group of people who have little in common with one another except a shared oppression and need for civil rights protection.
An ideology that goes against science, is not going to help us to advance, and will do the opposite. 
  • Not an ideology. 
  • Wikipedia: " Although no single theory on the cause of sexual orientation has yet gained widespread support, scientists favor biologically based theories. There is considerably more evidence supporting nonsocial, biological causes of sexual orientation than social ones, especially for males. There is no substantive evidence which suggests parenting or early childhood experiences play a role with regard to sexual orientation.  While some people believe that homosexual activity is unnatural,  scientific research shows that homosexuality is a normal and natural variation in human sexuality and is not in and of itself a source of negative psychological effects."
    • That is- the consensus of biologists state that homosexuality is commonplace, normal, and evolutionarily adaptive
That's my basic belief. 
  • ignorant anti-science.  You can't eradicate homosexuality.


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LGBT is just utilising modern media to highlight and normalise taboo sexuality.

Which might or might not be working.

We still seem as hung up on penises and vaginas and what we should or shouldn't do with them, as we ever were. Which is probably a problem created by pious old religious men rather than by sexual deviants.

Lower reproductivity is the associated issue, and I would suggest is less to do with sexual taboo and more to do with social media inspired expectation.  

Maybe, it's just how things are meant to progress. Subtle human decline and the human inspired rise of A.I.

Onwards into the future and into the Cosmos.

And we can stop here and bicker and fight about trivia, such as culture and nationhood and what to do with penises and vaginas.
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Challenge me to a standard (unrated) debate with 30000 maximum and 4 Rounds. Ask and say as much as you want. I wont answer or extend too far on the points, the maximum is so high to avoid drama if we want a long chat at some part. Make it 3 day deadline.

That way we can avoid others interfering as they are ghere.
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LGBT is obviously not an ideology
No. It is an ideology. The moment you think "its okay for me to do horrible things with another man and teach others of that too", it is both ideology and a very corrupt morality. Thats why it needs to be eradicated before it can spread.
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Horrible things?

Teach others?

That is one way of saying "I don't know what LGBTQ actually represents but I want to look like someone who does".
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"That is one way of saying "I don't know what LGBTQP actually represents but I want to look like someone who does".".

No. Anyone who thinks "LGBTQP is not horrible" is himself a horrible person. You may have been exposed to "LGBTQP" propaganda, where they have convinced people that its normal for men to give oral pleasure to older men. It is not normal. Its wrong. I would like to see men have a healthy relationship with women. That is correct. Stop teaching kids they can change gender or be rabbits. You are destroying our society. Find a woman and be with her. Teach your children the correct way of life. A unity between a man and a woman is approved by God. You cannot be a man and have sex with other man. Its wrong.
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Now that's two. ;)
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I was intrigued by your notion, that oral pleasure was given to the older by the younger.

How did you come to this conclusion?


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Now that's two. ;)
No. You are wrong. Fix yourself before God destroys you. Then you will run around crying how you were a victim.
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How did you come to this conclusion?
Its what happens when you mix 60 year old gays with 20 year old gays. Thats why its wrong.
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Will do. 
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No. You are wrong. Fix yourself before God destroys you. Then you will run around crying how you were a victim.
No U (mic drop !!!!1!!111!1!!!!1!!!!!)

But seriously, anyone would know that God wouldn't like such condemnation of other people in the present society if there is one at all.

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No U
No. If you want to continue sinning, dont expect for others to tolerate your wicked ways.


anyone would know that God wouldn't like such condemnation
Read the Bible. Then you will know what God likes.
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LGBT is obviously not an ideology
No. It is an ideology. The moment you think "its okay for me to do horrible things with another man and teach others of that too", it is both ideology and a very corrupt morality. Thats why it needs to be eradicated before it can spread.
Homosexual acts have been documented in over 450 species and you can't argue that animals act from ideology.  Whatever your fear-based emotional panic response, homosexuality is indisputably a thing made by God.
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Teaching children that biological men can have babies would be one example of anti science. Or that biological men can be both a woman or a man if the person wants to believe that. A biological man will always be a biological man no matter how much you mutilate the body to appear otherwise. Even when a person is dead and buried and their bones are dug up they will either be a male or a female. But with that said, that's just an opinion in the world of science today. Just believe what ever you want to believe, everyone else does, why shouldn't you. You are no more wrong than they are. In some countries you can be charged with hate speech and sent to prison for telling people what they believe isn't true.
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Homosexual acts have been documented in over 450 species
Cool. But irrelevant. If homosexuals want to act like wild dogs, they shouldnt expect to be treated like normal human.


you can't argue that animals act from ideology
I didnt argue that. I argued that homosexual humans have ideology. Unless you claim that homosexuals are animals. In that case, I will admit they dont have ideology since they are animals.


Whatever your fear-based emotional panic response
No. I dont think thats an argument. Try again.


homosexuality is indisputably a thing made by God
By that logic, so is murder. However, homosexuality is described in the Bible as an act that should be punished by death. 
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Look I'm a straightish guy but trust me, for the right sissy, the manliest hetero would bend bisexual for the feminine submissive aura. It's so hot, you feel manlier than an actual guy who is letting you dominate and humiliate him (with consent and aftercare).

If you are dominant and straight and either single or in an open/swinging relationship, try to dominate a sissy man before you die, even over internet chat. This is not the same as a transwoman, they're a chill, usually short effeminate featured, feminine guy who will even wear makeup and act feminine.

You will realise the truth when you just even talk to them, it is fun. Doesnt have to be a long term gay relationship, just be fwb. Nobody is too straight for that if they're truly dominant and masculine, instead they feel it is beneath them or icky.

Do not ask me why they enjoy being feminised and humiliated, that part will always elude me.
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@RationalMadman Jeez you keep bringing this up. Let me join in the nonsensical and possibly inappropriate tangent:

You can't understand "being feminised and humiliated, that part will always elude me."

I can't understand why this gender roleplay is so engaging for either of you.

I'm bisexual, but these gender roles don't do anything for me. I don't feel emasculated as a bottom, I don't feel masculine as a top. I like dominance roleplay but I don't associate it with gender.

I find people changing the tenor of their voice to be creepy. I prefer everyone male and female to basically be the opposite of Dylan Mulvaney. People who do not give heed to gender roles exude a sense of dignity in my eyes. I do not mean men wearing dresses, a man who wears dresses (for example) is paying an enormous deal of heed to gender roles and showing the most shallow of affectations. As Tim Pool says, Dylan Mulvaney isn't how a woman acts, and I would clarify that isn't how a woman with an ounce of pride acts.

So basically you can tell that Dylan Mulvaney is like scratching a chalkboard to me. A straight up naked man with no fake voice, no makeup, no prancing about is infinitely more appealing.

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Stupidest thing i've heard all day. Get rid of the LGBTQ(IA+) community? Since when was the community an ideology? 
Actually, being homosexual is common among many and should be considered fine. 

Dominate, submissive, switch, all can be pleasure and still be once again, fine. If you're pleasured or stimulated by acts that are of homosexuality, that's fine. 

Not sure where you got this "ideology" deal from.

I'll continue to stand by this.
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Humans in general have adapted in a way that allows us to go against our own biology and natural instinct. Would you agree? 
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Stupidest thing i've heard all day. Get rid of the LGBTQ(IA+) community? Since when was the community an ideology? 
There is an ideology more than there is a community. A community is a group of people who communicate. Anglophone is more of a community than "homosexuals" or "sexual deviants" and the term "LGBTQ(IA+)" almost exclusively refers to an ideological movement and not any kind of coherent classification of immutable characteristics.

Not sure where you got this "ideology" deal from.
Well it became pretty undeniable when people started saying things like "get glitter in the carpet that will never come out"

"communities" don't require delivering porn to children. An ideology might.

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When you say "Mix" what do you mean?

Do you imagine that gay sex, is all about 20 blindfolded gay men being ushered into a room and then swirled about.

And when the blindfolds are removed the young 20 year olds are compelled to fellate the nearest 60 year old.


Do you think that gay sex does not involve mutual consent, people of other ages and varying modus operandi.

Where do you get your information from?


Maybe some people actually enjoy gay sex....Have you ever considered that?
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Well, thats disgusting.

Its not enough that they go around teaching their ideology of "LGBT is good" (as proven by every gay in this forum), but now they wanna talk about their gay activities in public and how they have gay feelings. 

While the Bible does command me to love my enemies, it commands me to correct people when they misbehave. 

Even tho the death penalty for homosexuality is desireable by God of the Bible, I would actually wish that this society works on curing homosexuality.

We cant afford to have diseases in our society. Besides, any homosexual who wishes to be cured should simply pray to God and refuse to engage in any kind of lusting activities. Doing otherwise means he wants to be punished for his homosexuality.

Bible, being the scientifically accurate word of God, correctly predicted rise in diseases (mental diseases) in those societies that accept homosexuality.

Homosexuality is the slippery slope. You cannot justify homosexuality without justifying trans gender, trans species and other bad things.

Before, they were claiming it was about "consensual adults". Now they are castrating children and indoctrinating them.

We know them by their results.

"Good tree gives good fruit. Bad tree gives bad fruit. You will know them by their fruit." - Bible, New Testament, about difference between good and evil.
Fruit = the necessary consequence of one's actions.
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LGBT is obviously not an ideology but a way of describing an extrememly diverse group of people who have little in common with one another except a shared oppression and need for civil rights protection.
The word ideology in this context means "boogieman", it's used to elicit fear, and justify bigotry..