FOX News fires journalists for telling their idiot viewers the truth.

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“After she covered a Nov. 19 news conference with Trump lawyer Rudolph Giuliani, then-Fox reporter Kristin Fisher said her boss in Washington, Bryan Boughton, called to say he was unhappy with her report. She said she was told she needed to do a better job of “respecting our audience,” according to documents released in the case.”

“Dominion argues, as part of its lawsuit, that nervousness about what its viewers wanted led Fox to air allegations that the voting machine company was complicit in fraud that hurt Trump, even though many people at the network didn’t believe them. In his own deposition, Fox founder Rupert Murdoch agreed the election had been fair and it “was not stolen.”

In November 2020, Fisher pointed out inconsistencies and lack of evidence regarding Trump's attorneys' allegations of massive election fraud. She noted about Rudy Giuliani "What he is saying in public — not under oath — is different from what he said in court." She also underlined Giuliani's false claims about the vote certification controversy in Michigan, as well as his refusal to produce any of his supposed evidence to the public.[7] She did the same with President Trump's statements in December, when several Republican judges, as well as several Trump-nominated public servants, had rejected claims of election fraud.[8] In early 2021 it was announced that Fisher would be leaving Fox News.[9]



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As opposed to CNN. CNN never did that.
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Or did it?
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The right wing audience has truly become the Republican Party's Frankenstein. Turns out that when you lie to them every day they start to believe you, and with every lie you entrench yourself deeper and deeper into an alternate reality you created which you are now forced by your audience to live in. Who knew?

What really amuses me is the fact that everytime I find myself arguing with a right winger and pointing out that Fox News is objectively a propaganda outlet they all claim they don't watch it. Funny how no one on the right gets their news from what is easily the largest  distributor of right wing "news".
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No, CNN has never fired an employee for telling the truth for the reason being that it determined it's audience would feel disrespected by it.
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Surely then it is amazing how every CNN employee has the same opinion on Russia and Trump, and how every CNN report about those two aims to discredit those two.

CNN never fired anyone for telling the truth because the CNN doesnt hire the people who tell the truth in the first place.
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Yes, Republican politicians helped to create this monster when they wouldn’t tell their voters the truth. A classic example is Obama being born in this country and saying he was a Muslim. Except for John McCain, Republicans would not push back on that nonsense.


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Surely then it is amazing how every CNN employee has the same opinion on Russia and Trump, and how every CNN report about those two aims to discredit those two.
It's not amazing. When you live in the real world and understand basic logic and critical thinking, the conclusions are pretty clear.

But that aside, what you're talking about still had nothing to do with it. Opinions are one thing, what Fox did was fire someone for reporting an objective fact. These are not the same thing, not even close.

CNN never fired anyone for telling the truth because the CNN doesnt hire the people who tell the truth in the first place.
Let me guess, you believe that because Fox News told you so?

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CNN never fired anyone for telling the truth because the CNN doesnt hire the people who tell the truth in the first place.
CNN has fired a lot of people for not being better liars than the competition though.
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Republican politicians helped to create this monster when they wouldn’t tell their voters the truth. 
I think we can pinpoint where it started in a number of different places, for me the origin of this cartoonish republican party was in 1980 with Reagan's famous "government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem" speech.

People will always act within their personal best interests, government is the counter to that by forming a body which is responsible to look out for the best interests of the whole. It's literal job is to solve the problems the individual won't.

When you allow yourself to be sold such a fundamentally incoherent and self defeating philosophy, what follows can only lead to absurdity. This is why half our government is now run by people who fundamentally don't believe in government. That's not a recipe for success, and justifying it takes an impressive amount of mental gymnastics which most of the political right has grown tired of and have just given up, opening the door wide open to a figure like Trump.
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Yes, Regan was the beginning of the end for middle class America. Cutting taxes for the rich and telling people the government, their government who they choose, is the problem. Regan helped to create idiots like Grey Parrot and ILikePie 
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Here's an updated list of CNN journalists who have been fired or had their shows canceled in recent years:
  1. Donna Brazile - Fired in 2016 as a contributor after leaked emails suggested she leaked debate questions to the Clinton campaign.
  2. Jeffrey Lord - Fired in 2017 as a pro-Trump commentator after tweeting "Sieg Heil!" in response to a tweet from a liberal activist.
  3. Reza Aslan - Fired in 2017 as a host and commentator after calling President Trump a "piece of shit" on Twitter.
  4. Marc Lamont Hill - Fired in 2018 as a commentator and host after giving a speech at the United Nations in which he called for a "free Palestine from the river to the sea," which was seen as promoting the elimination of Israel.
  5. Rick Santorum - Fired in 2021 as a political commentator after making controversial comments about Native American culture during a speech.
  6. Brian Stelter - Had his show "Reliable Sources" canceled in 2022 after six years on the air.
  7. Thomas Frank - Resigned from CNN in 2017 after his story on the investigation into a Russian investment fund and alleged ties to President Trump's campaign was retracted.
  8. Eric Lichtblau - Was asked to resign from CNN in 2017 after his involvement in the retracted story related to the investigation into a Russian investment fund and alleged ties to President Trump's campaign.
  9. Lex Haris - Was asked to resign from CNN in 2017 after his involvement in the retracted story related to the investigation into a Russian investment fund and alleged ties to President Trump's campaign.
It's worth noting that this is not an exhaustive list, and there may be other cases of CNN journalists who have been fired or had their shows canceled that are not widely known or reported.

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  1. Donna Brazile - Fired in 2016 as a contributor after leaked emails suggested she leaked debate questions to the Clinton campaign.
Ya, this and all the others on your list are examples of the news station doing the right thing. The opposite of what FOX did. You are such a dummy.

And you forgot Chris Cuomo, who was rightly fired by CNN.

CNN has integrity. FOX News is a propaganda outlet. They tell their stupid viewers what they want to hear instead of the truth.
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There's also Chris Cuomo fired for doing all sorts of crony propaganda on his disgraced Democrat brother's behalf.

Also John Harwood was told to leave and take his TDS with him.

Don Lemon was pushed to a morning show where he barks about TDS crap much less often than he used to.


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Here are ten examples of fake media coverage related to the Trump-Russia story that were proven as bullshit.

  1. The report by the Crowdstrike cybersecurity firm that blamed Russia for hacking the Democratic National Committee was questioned by several cybersecurity experts.
  2. The false claim that the Trump campaign had secretly set up a backchannel to communicate with Russia through a Russian bank.
  3. The false claim that a Russian bank had sent a suspicious communication to a computer server in the Trump Tower.
  4. The false claim that the Trump campaign had changed the Republican Party's platform to be more favorable to Russia.
  5. The false claim that former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen had traveled to Prague to meet with Russian officials.
  6. The false claim that former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had met with senior Russian officials during a July 2016 trip to Moscow.
  7. The false claim that former Trump campaign adviser Paul Manafort had met with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
  8. The false claim that former Trump adviser Roger Stone had advance knowledge of the release of stolen Democratic emails by WikiLeaks.
  9. The false claim that President Trump's former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, had provided evidence to the special counsel's office that President Trump had prior knowledge of the Trump Tower meeting between campaign officials and Russians.
  10. The BuzzFeed report that claimed President Trump had directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress, which was later disputed by the special counsel's office.

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  1. The report by the Crowdstrike cybersecurity firm that blamed Russia for hacking the Democratic National Committee was questioned by several cybersecurity experts.
Not false. Russia did hack the DNC. THE Mueller Report confirmed this and criminally charged several Russians.

“Over the course of his nearly two-year-long probe, special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have now indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from computer hacking to conspiracy and financial crimes”
Those indictments have led to seven guilty pleas and five people sentenced to prison.

On July 13, 2018 special counsel Robert Mueller took direct aim at the Russians who allegedly were personally responsible for infiltrating the Democratic National Committee’s computer system, among others, setting in motion what former intelligence officers call one of the most effective active measures campaigns in history. The defendants are charged with Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States, Aggravated Identity Theft and Conspiracy to Launder Money.


You are a liar

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The false claim that the Trump campaign had secretly set up a backchannel to communicate with Russia
Not false. Trump did it. The intelligence community caught the communication between the Russian ambassador and Moscow informing them of the Trump team’s request for a secret back channel while Trump was President elect.

You lie.

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In testimony from a cybersecurity firm called CrowdStrike which helped investigate the DNC hack a CrowdStrike executive acknowledged in testimony to the House Intelligence Committee in 2017 that the company did not have concrete evidence that Russia had exfiltrated data from the DNC's servers, although the executive said that the company had "indicators" that suggested Russian involvement.

The lack of concrete evidence raises questions about the extent of Russian involvement in the DNC hack, and suggests that the conclusion that Russian hackers were responsible may have been based on assumptions and circumstantial evidence and political biases rather than hard proof.

The bullshit were the stories claiming Russia conclusively did it.


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The lack of concrete evidence raises questions about the extent of Russian involvement in the DNC hack, and suggests that the conclusion that Russian hackers were responsible may have been based on assumptions and circumstantial evidence and political biases rather than hard proof.
CrowdStrike? The intelligence community had other sources that showed Russia was involved in the hack. 

Do you not understand that Mueller indicted 25 Russian individuals and several Russian organizations including the GRU (Russian Armed Forces Intelligence Agency)for the DNC hack and their election meddling? twelve Russians were indicted in July 2018 on charges related to a conspiracy to hack Democratic computers with the goal of influencing the 2016 election. Charges included aggravated identity theft and money laundering. Thirteen Russian nationals and three entities, including the Internet Research Agency, were indicted in February 2018 with conspiracy to defraud the U.S. for interfering with the election. Three were charged with conspiracy to commit wire and bank fraud. Five were charged with aggravated identity theft.

The IRA is a Russian company engaged in online propaganda and influence operations on behalf of Russian business and political interests.[2] It is linked to Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin and based in Saint Petersburg, Russia.


Are you stupid or just a liar or both?

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Do you not understand that Mueller indicted 25 Russian individuals

And 4521 Ham Sandwiches.
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On Friday, the special counsel Robert Mueller filed an indictment of thirteen Russians, for meddling with the 2016 election. Over the long weekend, four ways of interpreting the document solidified. The White House focussed on a statement by the deputy Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein, who said the indictment contains no allegation that any American knowingly colluded with the Russian effort. President Trump tweeted, “They are laughing their asses off in Moscow.” Rob Goldman, Facebook’s vice-president for ads, took to Twitter to assert that the primary purpose of Russian meddling was to “divide America,” not to influence the election. Meanwhile, most of the legacy media interpreted the indictment as a major blow to Trump, who, they write, can no longer dismiss the allegations of Russian meddling as a hoax. Here is the bad news: all of this is true at the same time.

It is true that the indictment tells us nothing about connections between the Russian efforts and the Trump campaign, and the Trump victory. It is also true that Moscow is laughing, at least in part because the Kremlin had no grand plan to elect Trump. To understand what happened in 2016, we have to understand, among other things, how Russians perceived their own efforts. Perhaps the hardest thing for humans to do is to imagine the world as it is imagined by others. We tend to confuse acting in accordance with the goals and values of the society in which we live with rationality; we tend to confuse intelligence with thinking in accordance with those goals and values. And, of course, we are always inclined to see events as predetermined—and we are almost always wrong. An event as shocking as Trump’s election demands that the forces that may (or may not) have contributed to his victory be rendered suitably monstrous in retrospect.

Trump’s tweet about Moscow laughing its ass off was unusually (perhaps accidentally) accurate. Loyal Putinites and dissident intellectuals alike are remarkably united in finding the American obsession with Russian meddling to be ridiculous. The intellectuals are amused to see Americans so struck by an indictment that adds virtually nothing to a piece published in the Russian media outlet RBC, back in October; I wrote at the time that the article showed the Russian effort to be more of a cacophony than a conspiracy. The Kremlin and its media are, as Joshua Yaffa writes, tickled to be taken so seriously. Their sub-grammatical imitations of American political rhetoric, their overtures to the most marginal of political players, are suddenly at the very heart of American political life. This is the sort of thing Russians have done for decades, dating back at least to the early days of the Cold War, but those efforts were always relegated to the dustbin of history before they even began.

It is exceedingly unlikely that we will ever have a clear understanding of whether Russian meddling affected the outcome of the election. But a huge number of Americans imagine that it did. They imagine that exposure to a foreign effort (such as Soros's aid to install Bragg) to muddle American politics can fundamentally change the fate of this country—and by imagining it, they render the country all the more muddled, divided, and vulnerable.

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Do you have a point? Am I supposed to guess what your point is?

Are you aware you cited an OPINION piece written by a Russian non-binary person? Didn’t you say after the shooting in Tennessee that all these people are mentally unbalanced?

Do you understand the difference between opinion and news in the media?

“It is also true that Moscow is laughing, at least in part because the Kremlin had no grand plan to elect Trump”

If you were to exercise critical thinking skills, do you think this person is qualified to make this definitive statement or do you think the American intelligence community is better qualified and equipped to make an assessment on Russia’s espionage?
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And 4521 Ham Sandwiches.
Yes, yes, the famous ham sandwich indictment.

Indictments are so silly and meaningless, especially in the US. The justice system is a big joke here. Right?

I mean, these people can’t compare to a substitute teacher making $100 a day and living in his mothers house all alone.
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The bullshit were the stories claiming Russia conclusively did it.
Do you have any examples of this?

I didn't think so.

And even if you did, taking the available evidence to its logical conclusion is an entirely different thing from telling your viewers a narrative that you yourself don't believe. Your examples at most prove the latter, we're talking about how Fox is guilty of the former.
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But that aside, what you're talking about still had nothing to do with it. Opinions are one thing, what Fox did was fire someone for reporting an objective fact. These are not the same thing, not even close.
Yes. "hiring liars" is not same as "firing those who tell the truth". However, the result of both is the same. Therefore, one is as bad as  the other.


It's not amazing. When you live in the real world and understand basic logic and critical thinking, the conclusions are pretty clear.
Yes. The clear conclusion in the real world is that you have to be a liar to work for CNN.


Let me guess, you believe that because Fox News told you so?
No. I already said why I believe so in my previous comment:
"Surely then it is amazing how every CNN employee has the same opinion on Russia and Trump, and how every CNN report about those two aims to discredit those two."

Hiding facts is also a form of lying and deception. That is the favorite tool of CNN, along with exaggarated reports on if Trump said something mean to them during his presidency.

So when CNN hires people who want to create a wrong opinion about Trump and Russia, and hide the fact that Ukraine is a corrupt country fighting a suicidal war, and that Biden started another cold war and brought back 1970s, you say that is not as bad as Fox.

So you dont oppose to lies, but you oppose to how lies are presented.

Usually, I prefer facts over CNN rants and exaggerations. CNN was actually the one to support the war in Iraq. Now they are supporting the war in Ukraine by feeding false exaggerated reports on the battlefield.

So therefore, CNN is at least as bad as Fox. 
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Here are ten examples of fake media coverage related to the Trump-Russia story that were proven as bullshit.
  1. The report by the Crowdstrike cybersecurity firm that blamed Russia for hacking the Democratic National Committee was questioned by several cybersecurity experts.
  2. The false claim that the Trump campaign had secretly set up a backchannel to communicate with Russia through a Russian bank.
  3. The false claim that a Russian bank had sent a suspicious communication to a computer server in the Trump Tower.
  4. The false claim that the Trump campaign had changed the Republican Party's platform to be more favorable to Russia.
  5. The false claim that former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen had traveled to Prague to meet with Russian officials.
  6. The false claim that former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had met with senior Russian officials during a July 2016 trip to Moscow.
  7. The false claim that former Trump campaign adviser Paul Manafort had met with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
  8. The false claim that former Trump adviser Roger Stone had advance knowledge of the release of stolen Democratic emails by WikiLeaks.
  9. The false claim that President Trump's former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, had provided evidence to the special counsel's office that President Trump had prior knowledge of the Trump Tower meeting between campaign officials and Russians.
  10. The BuzzFeed report that claimed President Trump had directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress, which was later disputed by the special counsel's office.
Yeah, apparently, spreading misinformation is how they profit.
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Here's an updated list of CNN journalists who have been fired or had their shows canceled in recent years:
  1. Donna Brazile - Fired in 2016 as a contributor after leaked emails suggested she leaked debate questions to the Clinton campaign.
  2. Jeffrey Lord - Fired in 2017 as a pro-Trump commentator after tweeting "Sieg Heil!" in response to a tweet from a liberal activist.
  3. Reza Aslan - Fired in 2017 as a host and commentator after calling President Trump a "piece of shit" on Twitter.
  4. Marc Lamont Hill - Fired in 2018 as a commentator and host after giving a speech at the United Nations in which he called for a "free Palestine from the river to the sea," which was seen as promoting the elimination of Israel.
  5. Rick Santorum - Fired in 2021 as a political commentator after making controversial comments about Native American culture during a speech.
  6. Brian Stelter - Had his show "Reliable Sources" canceled in 2022 after six years on the air.
  7. Thomas Frank - Resigned from CNN in 2017 after his story on the investigation into a Russian investment fund and alleged ties to President Trump's campaign was retracted.
  8. Eric Lichtblau - Was asked to resign from CNN in 2017 after his involvement in the retracted story related to the investigation into a Russian investment fund and alleged ties to President Trump's campaign.
  9. Lex Haris - Was asked to resign from CNN in 2017 after his involvement in the retracted story related to the investigation into a Russian investment fund and alleged ties to President Trump's campaign.
It's worth noting that this is not an exhaustive list, and there may be other cases of CNN journalists who have been fired or had their shows canceled that are not widely known or reported.
Thats a good list. So CNN fires its own reporters for doing what they are instructed to do: exaggerate and rant about Trump and Russia.
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So when CNN hires people who want to create a wrong opinion about Trump and Russia, and hide the fact that Ukraine is a corrupt country fighting a suicidal war, and that Biden started another cold war and brought back 1970s, you say that is not as bad as Fox.

It's funny how the 2 controlled opposition networks get the blame on any given day, but most Americans are tuning out to the bread and circus of Fox vs CNN because the endless broken promises of DC can't last forever.
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The right wing audience has truly become the Republican Party's Frankenstein. Turns out that when you lie to them every day they start to believe you, and with every lie you entrench yourself deeper and deeper into an alternate reality you created which you are now forced by your audience to live in. Who knew?

What really amuses me is the fact that everytime I find myself arguing with a right winger and pointing out that Fox News is objectively a propaganda outlet they all claim they don't watch it. Funny how no one on the right gets their news from what is easily the largest  distributor of right wing "news".
Interesting that Fox is the largest news network in the US and nobody watches it.
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I dont even watch Fox News. I actually prefer Sky News Australia for their comedy about Biden.

My source of news is the internet, and not just one specific TV channel. In fact, anyone who gets information from just one source is likely to be lacking a lot of knowledge.

When CNN started their daily anti-Trump campaign, thats when I realized that CNN is obviously someone's puppet. Before that, I thought they were somewhat independent.

I still get some news from CNN, but only to get the idea of what Biden supporters think.