Which states have the highest gun death rates in the U.S.? Red States of course

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Montana has more guns, yet much less murder rate.
I see what you are saying.  According to the latest U.S. Census population estimates, 0.43 percent of Montana's 944,632 residents are black. There are only 4,094 black people here, which is also numerically the smallest black community of any state in the nation.
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Was the shooter in Louisville a law abiding citizen with a gun when he walked into that bank? Yes he was.
That's an excellent rebuttal for him saying most likely. 

Most likely always means definitely. 
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Many militaries are using molotov cocktails. So would you say that we should ban glass bottles and highly flammable liquids to prevent people from making molotov cocktails?
Wait, are you saying we shouldn’t ban assault rifles because their components could be used for other things?

We could use the barrel as tomato stakes in the garden

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That's an excellent rebuttal for him saying most likely. 
He said MORE likely, but No idea what you are saying here.

 I thought you weren’t talking to me. What happened?

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A domestic terrorist vehicle-ramming attack occurred on April 23, 2018, when a rented van was driven along Yonge Street through the North York City Centre business district in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. The driver, 25-year-old Alek Minassian, targeted pedestrians, killing 11 and injuring 15, some critically.[4][5] The incident is the deadliest vehicle-ramming attack in Canadian history
No shit Sherlock. There was one in France too. That doesn’t make vehicles more dangerous than assault rifles.

Besides, we have a need for vehicles in a modern society, there is no need for assault rifles.

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Plus, I clearly showed that Louisiana was under democrats control and it wasnt very good for it:

"It remained Democratic on the state and local level until the turn of the 21st century, allowing Republicans to win control of the state legislature and every statewide state-level office in 2011."

  • Grand Wizard David Duke was still running in the Democratic Party up to 1988.  Some transitions were slower on the local level.


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2nd amendment,  all arguments are moot. Don't buy a gun if you don't want one 
2A doesn’t say the government can’t ban certain kinds of guns. Even Scalia agreed with that in the Heller decision.

Don’t get an abortion if you don’t want one then, but don’t try to ban them for everyone 

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Thank you for the answers.  There is a lot in there.  Re Ccuture and guns... Your point is worth considering.    Shame based versus honour based...  is that not a sign of community and socialisim versus libertarianism?     Very interesting concept there I would love more thought on.

I can't reconcile ypur abortion comment, and agree it is more complex for a short spot.

Interesting points.
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Wait, are you saying we shouldn’t ban assault rifles because their components could be used for other things?
Do you know what is a molotov cocktail? Its a weapon used by some militaries. Can be easily made by anyone, and can kill lots of people.
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Can be easily made by anyone, and can kill lots of people.
No it can’t. It can be used to set things on fire.
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No it can’t. It can be used to set things on fire.
"A Molotov cocktail hurled at a Cairo restaurant killed 16 people and wounded six on Friday, Egyptian security officials have said."

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Most of the mass shootings have less than 10 casualties.
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"2A doesn’t say the government can’t ban certain kinds of guns." Where does it say it can. The constitution was written to limit the govts power not the rights of the people. "The Tenth Amendment reminds the national government that the people and the states retain every authority that is not otherwise mentioned in the Constitution." No where is it mentioned in the constitution that the federal govt can arbitrary ban any gun it thinks is scary. Never mind, the constitution is a collection of subjective suggestions that can be followed or ignored. The words don't really mean what they say.
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The 10th amendment specifically says states can impose bans but the federal govt can not.
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and those vans have to be constitutional.   So when a ban for somethins is issued at the state level, the question is there an argument that ban has an effect on an unenumerated right .  Are all rights expressed or are some inferred?
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It's probably why the most dangerous and deadly weapon in America, the Glock, will never be banned in any state.
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Where does it say it can
I already told you, SCJ Scalia said so

No where is it mentioned in the constitution that the federal govt can arbitrary ban any gun it thinks is scary
The government already did that when it banned automatic weapons.
Where does it say in the constitution that the people have a right to clean air and water? 
Where does it say that trans children can’t play on the team of their chosen identity?
Besides, The 2A was only for people who belonged to well regulated militias.
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Shame based versus honour based... is that not a sign of community and socialisim versus libertarianism
I will make a separate post about it soon. The shame vs honor based thing is pretty apolitical.  Some societies don't fall neatly into either category but the United States has a shame based culture which has the disadvantages of not being able to reign in people who could give a shit less about shame. With an honor based culture you'll see the community kind of reign in antisocial behaviors. 

I think some communities maybe a lot of communities don't fall under either classification 
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Okay here is what I am talking about. I got a lot of the terminology wrong since it's been so long since I touched the material. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt%E2%80%93shame%E2%80%93fear_spectrum_of_cultures


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I know  nothing about it and am curious.   If you want debate....   I will have to do my research.  10k char, 1 week response, 3 rounds ...rated or not I do t give a shit.  Happy for the challenge.  Great points ypu made.
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Yeah rereading through that i got a lot of the terminology wrong. 
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The 10th amendment specifically says states can impose bans but the federal govt can not.
That’s nonsense. The words impose bans is not even in the 10th amendment.

Besides, the preamble to the Constitution clearly states that the role of the Federal government is to “promote the general welfare” and “ensure domestic tranquillity”

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Debate what specifically. What did you find that you think you would like to oppose in a debate?
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shame vs honour society   Specifically I think k the socialistic implied shame society may have a better effect thena laissez-faire  capitalistic approach...   Oh fuck      I can't come.back from that bell.   OK  let it be.

I am gonna get my ass handed too me.   Let s give it  a try.   I am for shame.  ...  in context

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A Molotov cocktail hurled at a Cairo restaurant killed 16 people and wounded six on Friday, Egyptian security officials have said."
It appears that most of the casualties were from smoke inhalation and the inability to escape a basement with improper fire exits.

So if an arsonist burned down an apartment building killing 50 people, would that make fire a more deadly weapon than assault rifles?

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The constitution says who ever in power says it says. The constitution is a subjective list of suggestions, the words really have no meaning.
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So if an arsonist burned down an apartment building killing 50 people, would that make fire a more deadly weapon than assault rifles?
I am saying that military uses molotov cocktails. You asked me to point out a weapon used by military that is available to civilians. I pointed it out. I pointed out that it can kill lots of people. In fact, depending on the liquid in it, and size of the container, it can be an equivalent of a bomb.
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Homemade napalm is very easy to make.
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Montana has more guns, yet much less murder rate.
Montana has the third lowest population density, you can expect a low murder rate if the closest person is 40 miles away.

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Do you know what is a molotov cocktail? Its a weapon used by some militaries. Can be easily made by anyone, and can kill lots of people.
Used by some militaries in the movies, I'm pretty sure we are talking about the real world here.