DeSantis dismisses 2024 polling decline against Trump: 'I'm not a candidate' (msn.com). DeSantis isn't running in 2024; the republicans who are done with Trump are going to have to pick someone else
DeSantis isn't running in 2024.
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I think Pence is running. He isn't an insider like the Bushes so getting that support may be tricky, but from his interviews with the liberal media, they seem to love him. He has some broad appeal and the debates between him and trump will likely give us some insight into things he has been too dignified to speak about.
I think Pence is running.
But Pence is a coward who wouldn’t do the right thing according to the Trump base. They wanted to hang him
He's either a coward or a principled man. If he is running against the Trump base than it isn't trump voters he is looking for though
DeSantis is wisely keeping his powder dry. Trump's got, what, maybe a 1 in 3 chance of emerging from the GOP convention as a legitimate candidate? DeSantis is Trump Jr and he can't win against Trump Sr. He'll jump as soon as he's confident Trump is done. Right now, his war on Disney is making corporate America extremely apprehensive about their freedoms under DeSantis and his war on gay people is as unpopular as his war young girls unready to be mothers or his war on kids demanding less risk from mass murderers armed with hyper-lethal weapons. He might significantly improve his lot by waiting to '28 and working on moderating his Trumpiness.
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@oromagi
What happened with the Court Case?
It's all gone very quiet over here.
Desantis is a Floridian. That makes him like 25% gay. He merely asks teachers not talk about sex with their kids. Teachers don't normally discuss how they have straight sex with their wives, why would there be an exception to allow gays to talk about gay sex with their children? The fact any would want to, means they are likely groomers
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@PREZ-HILTON
The fact any would want to, means they are likely groomers
Teaching kids about perversions = perverted kids.
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@PREZ-HILTON
No one was talking to children about gay sex. The bill is designed to make it illegal to say anything about gay people at all. So children can't be told gay people exist, much less anything about them. And since there are estimated to be over 100,000 gay children in florida schools, they can't ask questions about their own identity. Or at least, if the teacher answers, they will be arrested.
This might be be semi-popular in Florida, but in the rest of the country this is wildly unpopular. And it doesn't look good on him being consistently out smarted by Disney either.
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@HistoryBuff
No one was talking to children about gay sex
False
Even a gay flag in the classroom is inherently just the teacher advertising they either take it in the ass or give it in the ass.
If a kid asks a teacher "what is gay" the teacher is just instructed to do what all ethical people should do when asked that by a 9 year old. Tell them to ask their parents about it.
It's the same answer they were already given by heterosexual teachers that were asked what heterosexual means.
Why are so many people protesting the fact kids can't be groomed? It sounds like a bunch of pedophiles with ulterior motives
Why is the bill being misrepresented as not allowing teachers to say the word Gay?
You know that if a teacher is asked if they are gay, they can still answer yes right?
They just can't give an unauthorized lecture promoting homosexuality or acceptance of it, something they should have enough common sense not to do anyway.
Even a gay flag in the classroom is inherently just the teacher advertising they either take it in the ass or give it in the ass.
lol no. It is advertising they support gay people having rights.
If a kid asks a teacher "what is gay" the teacher is just instructed to do what all ethical people should do when asked that by a 9 year old. Tell them to ask their parents about it.
Why? Schools are there to educate children. the only reason anyone would think this is because they want to discriminate against gay people and they don't want children to know they are, you know, human.
Why are so many people protesting the fact kids can't be groomed? It sounds like a bunch of pedophiles with ulterior motives
the bill does nothing about "grooming" which is already a crime. All it does is ban teaching children about a fairly large minority group. A group that many of those same children belong to.
They just can't give an unauthorized lecture promoting homosexuality or acceptance of it, something they should have enough common sense not to do anyway.
so... they can't do their job? They can't teach a child about a fairly large minority group. A group that many of their students belong to and will have to get information on it from the internet instead.
Even a gay flag in the classroom is inherently just the teacher advertising they either take it in the ass or give it in the ass.
What a moron. No wonder you are a night shift manager at Dennys
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@HistoryBuff
The bill is designed to make it illegal to say anything about gay people at all.
Can you cite the part of the bill that says gay or even homosexual?
Why? Schools are there to educate children. the only reason anyone would think this is because they want to discriminate against gay people and they don't want children to know they are, you know, human.
That's a common complaint, but school administrators also have a constitutional duty and responsibility to ensure the government isn't indoctrinating ideologies into a classroom. That even includes American patriotism as it's no longer required to say the pledge of allegiance.
The reason we don't instruct boys under 18 about how great it is to be in the military anymore is because they don't have the development to cope with the consequences of embracing that ideology. The same applies for underage sexual indoctrination.
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@HistoryBuff
What I meant to say is we don't instruct ALL boys under 18 how to be in the military. JROTC programs are always at the high school level and it is always an elective, and an underage student always requires parental consent.
We already have ADA legislation and anti-bullying programs to ensure inclusivity in prepubescent public education. We don't need to teach the kids complexities of sexuality that they cannot comprehend as a prerequisite to teach them to be accepting of different people.
And since grooming is a very real issue, there really is only one sensible policy to have if schools want to maintain an environment of safety.
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@Greyparrot
And since grooming is a very real issue, there really is only one sensible policy to have if schools want to maintain an environment of safety.
When you say "grooming", what does that mean to you? In my experience when right wing people use that word it is like when they say "woke" in that it means whatever they want it to mean in that moment.
And could you explain how this bill helps to prevent "grooming"?
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@HistoryBuff
For example, teachers in the state I work with are registered in an FBI database with fingerprints and are screened yearly for infractions regarding children. The reason the schools do this is to promote a safe learning environment. Anti-bullying policies are also a part of this mission.
Any teacher that isn't 100 percent committed to this mission degrades the reputation of the school. Schools strive to be as ideologically neutral (or at the very least APPEAR that way) as possible for the sole purpose of this mission. When schools fail this mission, parents start taking it out on the public officials, and then the shit rolls downhill.
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@Greyparrot
You didn't answer my questions. what is "grooming" to you? And what does this bill do to prevent "grooming"?
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@HistoryBuff
Grooming is teaching little kids to suppress urges to avoid the natural inhibitions toward stranger danger, specifically in regards to their bodies.
Grooming is the process by which an adult, or sometimes an older child or teenager, establishes a relationship with a child or young person with the intention of eventually sexually exploiting them.
Grooming typically involves building a relationship of trust and emotional connection with the child or young person, often over a period of time. The groomer may use a range of tactics, such as flattery, gifts, and special attention, to establish this relationship and gain the child's trust.
The groomer may begin to introduce sexual content, such as suggestive comments or discussions about sexual topics, into their interactions with the child. They may also gradually escalate the level of physical contact they have with the child, from non-sexual touching to sexual touching and eventually sexual activity.
Grooming by an authoritative figure is a manipulative and abusive behavior that is often associated with child sexual abuse. It can have long-lasting negative effects on the victim, including trauma, shame, and feelings of guilt and self-blame which can lead to thoughts of depression and suicide. It is important for parents, caregivers, and other adults to be aware of the signs of grooming and to take action to protect children and young people from potential abusers. Particularly because of the 1 in 10,000 suicides yearly as a direct threat to these children along with the debilitating affects of PTSD, guilt, and depression.
And what does this bill do to prevent "grooming"?
If you read it, the answer will be apparent to you.
The fact you used the word "gay" suggests you most likely heard someone else describe the bill to you.
Grooming is teaching little kids to suppress urges to avoid the natural inhibitions toward stranger danger, specifically in regards to their bodies.
This is coming from a substitute teacher who tries to hang out with teenagers by buying them alcohol
For example, teachers in the state I work with are registered in an FBI database with fingerprints and are screened yearly for infractions regarding children.
Real teachers? Not substitute teachers like yourself?
Grooming is the process by which an adult, or sometimes an older child or teenager, establishes a relationship with a child or young person with the intention of eventually sexually exploiting them.
This is what you do. This is why you are a substitute teacher. To give you access to teenagers
Obviously, if you were a real teacher you wouldn’t have time to be here this morning
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@Greyparrot
You are trying to talk sense into a gay. Its not possible.
How can a gay understand that it is unappropriate to indoctrinate children into "gay is okay" ideology?
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@HistoryBuff
You didn't answer my questions. what is "grooming" to you? And what does this bill do to prevent "grooming"?
Grooming is the latest version of fear mongering by bigoted conservatives. Remember they used to say gay people were all pedophiles?
Now they are using the same attack on trans people.
And since grooming is a very real issue,
Only to wack jobs like you.
If he is running against the Trump base than it isn't trump voters he is looking for though
Can any Republican win a general election without the Trump base? We are talking 30 to 40 % of Republicans.
Trump has the Republican Party by the balls. And they deserve it. This crazy shit started with the Tea Party. Republicans created this monster and now they are being destroyed by the monster they created when they failed to push back against the wack jobs. When they stayed silent about things like Obama Birtherism
except for a few leaders like John McCain.
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@Best.Korea
You are trying to talk sense into a gay. Its not possible.
lol I'm not gay. I'm just not a bigot.
How can a gay understand that it is unappropriate to indoctrinate children into "gay is okay" ideology?
wow. This is like saying "being black is okay" or "being a woman is okay". Implying that it is not ok to be the person you were born is an ridiculous level of bigotry.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Grooming is the latest version of fear mongering by bigoted conservatives. Remember they used to say gay people were all pedophiles?Now they are using the same attack on trans people.
yeah i know. That's why I wanted him to define it so that I can be sure he has no actual point. And no, he had no actual point.
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@Greyparrot
Ok I read your description. And none of that has anything to do with talking about gay people. The behaviors you describe is not really addressed by the bill.
And to clarify for you why this is the "don't say gay bill" here is a quote from the bill.
"Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through Grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
The language is vague. And who decides what is "age appropriate"? since parents are allowed to sue over any perceived breaches, any kind of mention of being gay, telling children any information about gay people could be seen as a breach and get them sued. What happens if little johnny has 2 dads and someone mentions it in class? Or someone is teasing him for it. Can the teacher say that having 2 dads is ok? Under this law, he can't without risking being sued. Any parent could decide anything they say isn't "age appropriate" and start a lawsuit. So teachers can't say anything at all without running the risk of their life being ruined.
And with so many screeching lunatics out there screaming about "grooming", basically any mention of gay or trans people would be grounds for a lawsuit.
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@HistoryBuff
Implying that it is not ok to be the person you were born is an ridiculous level of bigotry.
Nice ideology. Except when someone is born homosexual, we try to cure it and surpress it.
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@Best.Korea
Nice ideology. Except when someone is born homosexual, we try to cure it and surpress it.
ok, so you are definitely a monster. Thanks for the heads up. That's like saying you are trying to "cure" people of being black. People were supposed to stop believing that kind of stuff in the 1800's.
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@HistoryBuff
ok, so you are definitely a monster.
No, I identify as a puppy today.
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@HistoryBuff
And to clarify for you why this is the "don't say gay bill"
Is it your contention that sexual orientation can only mean "gay?"
Because if it doesn't then the bill is a "don't say sexual orientation bill"
Is it also your contention that gay teachers cannot sexually groom children?
If so, what are some sources backing that claim?