A Response to Stephen's Threads

I think his dishonesty is apparent to all,

he simply throws as much crap against the wall as he can in the hopes that something will stick.

Well, I hope you eventually have a change of heart.

God is holy and pure - morally perfect

Not if he gets angry as you claim in post #24.

Yeah, I have plenty of good reason to believe you are dishonest. 

I think his dishonesty is apparent to all,

If I answered your questions, 

Stephen wrote post 10 above

I could take this post of yours as a personal attack as it , like a few others now, have been directed at me personally, with my name in your title and two of those are authored by >>>>>> YOU<<<<<<<<. I don't mind. I can always ignore , you see, I have been created with a built in Ignore facility that I can switch on or off at any given time I choose to. Brilliant isn't it!!!!! ? I bet you wish were created with one , don't you?

There is nothing fair about that

Your worldview has no ultimate accountability for wrongful action

That is not equal justice, for the suffering he caused.

No justice in your worldview. Thus, there is no accountability.

What does it matter in a pointless, uncaring, indifferent, amoral universe? Not one iota.

If I can survive by exploiting others, such as Kim Jong-un or Hitler, then I get what I want. Why SHOULD I care about you unless you serve my purpose?

It is just made up to serve whatever someone likes to do.

In some countries, they kill the unborn because they find it an inconvenience.

In others the condemn such acts because they value all human beings. What do you PREFER?

So your worldview does not deal with justice for all. Some get away with the worst atrocities in the history of humanity without receiving any judgment for their crimes. There is nothing fair about that, yet you criticize God for being just and fair in that we are judged for our life lived and what we do with it? 

I don't think anyone is critiizing God for being fair!   I am saying the fairness and justice you think god provides is illusory.   Hitler didn't suffer enough for his crimes and many good people die young or poor.   The world sucks like that because there is no god to make things better. 

Atheists have a problem answering 'Why bother? you just die anyway.'  I've never found a good reason to care about others.  But I - and 99% of atheists care anyway.   I can explain why humans have evolved empathy, but that expains why we are not all rabid egoists not why we shouldn't be rabid egoists!   i'm not sure 'should' can ever be explained totally logically.   At least theists can evoke 'enlightened self-interest' -atheists don't even have that option.

Sure some people seem born with defective empathy cells in their heads but that is inevitable as every brain is unique.   But most humans have a healthy mix of selishness and altruism built in to their brains.   Atheists tend to explain human nature using genes, theists prefer to think a god is responsible.  The thing is we know that genes exist and how altruism can evolve against naive expectation.  The existence of the gods,on the other hand, is infintely debatable.

There is such a thing as righteous anger. Do you not get angry at injustice and wrongs?

You seem to think that all judgment happens in this life

Stephen wrote post 10 above

I could take this post of yours as a personal attack as it , like a few others now, have been directed at me personally, with my name in your title and two of those are authored by >>>>>> YOU<<<<<<<<. I don't mind. I can always ignore , you see, I have been created with a built in Ignore facility that I can switch on or off at any given time I choose to. Brilliant isn't it!!!!! ? I bet you wish were created with one , don't you?

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"What are you doing now if not responding, you clown?...
I have been blocked by many here, but it hasn't stopped me posting on the thread I have been blocked. So stop crying and whining...I don't think you know or understand the difference...in my opinion, you would deserve to be "mocked"...

How do you know that they don't ,you jumped up self serving bible punching narcissist?..This is where you do actually invite and deserve mockery. You are just like the other religious clowns here. Get over yourself,  for god's sake!!!

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If I answered your questions, 

But you never do, you absolute clown.

I have to ask a dumb question - do you believe Hitler is suffering in hell?

I think you probably do, beause otherwise justice would not be served.  Am I right?

There is such a thing as righteous anger. Do you not get angry at injustice and wrongs?

There is no such thing as righteous anger for a pure and holy being, that is a lie you tell yourself because it isn't pure and holy, your book is very clear on that point. Your god is far from pure and holy and in support of that you need to compare it to me to make your point and it doesn't pass muster even then. I've never committed genocide.

26 threads and one not included onIsalm (#27), the rest on Christianity.

I would say you have a focus, anagenda, which is fine, but the problem, whenever I read one of your threads, is that you take verses out of context or read your own interpretation into the verse.  

You and others keep charging there is no evidence and when I present some for discussion and invite you to test it,you ignore it. 

So, if someone did something outrageously horrible and wrong you would not be angry over it? Then why are you angry with God? 

So, if someone did something outrageously horrible and wrong you would not be angry over it?

I believe Adolph Hitler 'ceased to be' in 1945.   Justice was not done and can never be done.  

I don't like that's how things are, but - well - that's how it goes.   What i cannot do is convince myself that there is a posthumous realm were the ills of this world are put right; where the good are rewarded and the evil punished.   Wouldn't it be nice if it was like that! 

Everyone makes plans for 'if they on the lottery'.  It's a nice way to spend a few minutes fantasising, but in the end you stop daydreaming and go back to saving up for your holiday.   imaging that things are put right when your dead is like imaging a lotery win - a nice fantasy.   

But look around!  unless you are very fortunate you can see the world is chaotic and random.  The good die young and the bad seem to have all the fun!  I don't blame people for really wanting Hitler or jimmy saville to be burning in hell.  But that's not how things are.  Instead we really need to concentrate on making this world better - because it's the only world.

Without an eternal reward on offer the only reason to try to do the right thing is it is the right thing.  If that's not enough of a reason for you then peraps it's better you don't wakeup from your daydream.  

26 threads and one not included on Isalm (#27), the rest on Christianity. 

 

Well if you’re so upset about all the attention Christianity is receiving then start your own thread on Islam. WHY HAVEN’T YOU DONE SO??? I will be happy to discuss that barbaric ideology with you.

 

I would say you have a focus, anagenda, which is fine, but the problem, whenever I read one of your threads, is that you take verses out of context or read your own interpretation into the verse.  

 

 Yes "out of context" seems to be your only argument without having to face the problem head on. it is ALLLLLWAYYYYS someone else who doesn't understand with you lot. It is never EVER you who are at fault is it??? 

You and others keep charging there is no evidence and when I present some for discussion and invite you to test it,you ignore it. 

 

No, is all you do is quote other unreliable verses from the same unreliable source which counts for nothing I am afraid. 

  I SUGGEST, THAT YOU GO UP PAGE AND READ CAREFULLY MY RESPONSE TO YOU AT POST #10

BETTER STILL, HERE IT IS , READ IT YOU CLOWN>.

Since I have been censored and blocked from responding to Stephen's threads by Stephen I will establish my own thread in response to his allegations since he responds to my posts on these threads, then does not give me the courtesy to respond to his. 

What are you doing now if not responding, you clown? Congratulations!!!!  As you have eventually worked out for yourself, there is absolutely no way that  I could stop you responding to me in any way. The block facility on this sight is laughable as you have proven. You can still respond on  any given thread in question itself, there is nothing stopping you  at all. It just won't show who you are  quoting. I have been blocked by many here, but it hasn't stopped me posting on the thread I have been blocked. So stop crying and whining.

I am not interested in what you in particular have to stay for many reasons. (1)  you never stay on track. (2) you post responses that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. (3) you bombard and clutter up my threads with SO MUCH absolute nonsense that there should be a rule against it. 

It is hard to complain about this sort of rude behaviour as one can only flag the post but not give a reason for flagging it. It leaves one with the single option of simply "blocking" you.

I could take this post of yours as a personal attack as it , like a few others now, have been directed at me personally, with my name in your title and two of those are authored by >>>>>> YOU<<<<<<<<. I don't mind. I can always ignore , you see, I have been created with a built in Ignore facility that I can switch on or off at any given time I choose to. Brilliant isn't it!!!!! ? I bet you wish were created with one , don't you?

But I won't whinge and whine and throw my rattle out of the pram. I have been given warnings twice simply for calling someone  stupid, so the only thing that I will complain about is if someone calls me stupid, which is often and so I must be driving the mods up the wall for keeping them on overtime

So, if someone did something outrageously horrible and wrong you would not be angry over it? Then why are you angry with God?  

Despite appearances gus is not angry with God. 

He is angry that people worship something that - if it existed - would be odious.  He hopes that by showing you that the god you believe in is odious you will see sense and stop your superstitious nonsense altogether.

AFAIK that approach has never worked.

So, if someone did something outrageously horrible and wrong you would not be angry over it?

Once again you need to compare your imaginary god with me, but it fails because there is no doubt that I'm better than any genocidal killer.

How can you be so unbelievably ignorant enough to even claim that I'm angry with your imaginary god, you people live in a world of fantasy.

May I ask who Gus is; is it Stephen or Disgusted?

May I ask who Gus is; is it Stephen or Disgusted?

I'm fairly sure you were in conversation with disgusted at the time.   I don't think i would abbreviate stephen as gus.

Gus has a chip on his shoulder, his heart on his sleeve and a bee in his bonnet.   He sticks his nose in first, and his foot in straight after.  He needs to pull his finger out before his hands get too full for his boots.  He certainly has some neck, even if it is up his backside right upto his chin.  i'll stop there because i'm running out of body-part metaphors.