Democrats want Trump to run.

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GDP is a measure of economic activity, Sales of goods and services. Inflation could be 100% but if there is no sale then there is no activity.
Please dont talk nonsense. Everyone knows increase in prices leads to increase in GDP since GDP is a sum of PRICES of sold goods.

There, I made it simple this time.


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By December 21, 2020, with just a few weeks left in Trump’s one-term presidency, the national debt had climbed to $27.76 trillion—a 39-percent jump from the $19.95-trillion debt the country had four years prior when this self-described "king of debt" was sworn into office.
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A run against Trump is an easy win
Who doesn't want that?

Ok Hillary.

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You are the one whose general implication is that objectivity, logic, and reason causes one to be left leaning, while misinformation, cherry picking, and personal bias leads one to be right leaning.

Yep… that’s objective alright…
Objectivity and neutrality are not the same thing. I don’t aspire nor pretend to be the latter.
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Desantis is dangerous to the democratic party, and if republicans can get their act together, I think we have a good shot for Desantis as a candidate. 
Well something big is going to have to change because he’s lost a lot of ground lately. Oddly enough the shift in the polls to Trump’s favor came right after Trump got indicted, which says quite a bit about his base.

Perhaps once the real indictments come down for trying to overturn the election in Georgia and his role January 6th people will realize he really is a criminal who is completely unfit for the Oval Office, but knowing the Trump base that will probably cement his nomination.
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Objectivity and neutrality are not the same thing. I don’t aspire nor pretend to be the latter.
I never mentioned neutrality. I was, however, quite sarcastic about your objectivity.

Perhaps no media outlet should be making any claims toward objectivity, I’m thinking. That would be minimally acceptable to me, actually. It would at least be honest…

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The only trait of a media outlet which qualifies it as objective is adherence to reality itself, not some contrived notion that they’re not supposed to call balls and strikes.
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That is your problem right there— you seem to believe (in your biased judgment) that there exist media outlets which are objective. As for calling balls and strikes, I’m talking about the majority of media implying that a player (DeSantis in this case) is constantly swinging and missing, while that player goes on to hit a grand slam… in reality.
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Well something big is going to have to change because he’s lost a lot of ground lately. Oddly enough the shift in the polls to Trump’s favor came right after Trump got indicted, which says quite a bit about his base.

Perhaps once the real indictments come down for trying to overturn the election in Georgia and his role January 6th people will realize he really is a criminal who is completely unfit for the Oval Office, but knowing the Trump base that will probably cement his nomination.
The polls only shifted then because his base deemed the indictment to be unlawful. Even some democrats came out and said things like this. 

Also, lets not forget the January 6th tapes, that proved the FBI had a role in January 6th and proved that the notorious goat man was actually being escorted by police officers in the white house.
Also, the Miller Report that just came out that supposedly is going to exonerate Trump, proving that Hillary and Obama were working with the FBI to make false accusations of Trump in which they had no evidence whatsoever of, and the corrupt FBI still pursued the fake investigation, and lied to the public sphere. 

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That is your problem right there— you seem to believe (in your biased judgment) that there exist media outlets which are objective.
I never suggested any such thing. I was addressing your  sarcastic insinuation that anyone (including media outlets) who have landed heavily on either side of the political spectrum should be immediately written off as non-objective. 

As for calling balls and strikes, I’m talking about the majority of media implying that a player (DeSantis in this case) is constantly swinging and missing, while that player goes on to hit a grand slam… in reality.
Whether his actions should be considered a hit and miss depends on the desired end result. If pissing off the libs or appeasing his base is the goal then yes, he has hit many grand slams. But he is clearly running for president, so by every metric so far when compared to that goal his actions the evidence clearly shows he is striking out.
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The polls only shifted then because his base deemed the indictment to be unlawful. Even some democrats came out and said things like this. 
The decisions of a prosecutor, faulty or not, do not make a man more qualified for office than he was before. The only prominent left wing figures claiming the indictment is unlawful are arguing so based on a technicality of whether NYS can charge Trump with a federal crime. Regardless, my point still stands. The fact that there is a legitimate debate over whether Trump should be prosecuted is an absurd thing for a presidential candidate to gain support over.

Also, lets not forget the January 6th tapes, that proved the FBI had a role in January 6th
Nonsense. Please provide the evidence.

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I never suggested any such thing. I was addressing your  sarcastic insinuation that anyone (including media outlets) who have landed heavily on either side of the political spectrum should be immediately written off as non-objective.
Perhaps unintentional, but you suggested how a media outlet could qualify as objective:

The only trait of a media outlet which qualifies it as objective…
You didn’t assert that such is virtually impossible in practice or anything similar.

In contrast, I said this, which is neither sarcastic nor does it resemble your characterization at all:

“Perhaps no media outlet should be making any claims toward objectivity, I’m thinking. That would be minimally acceptable to me, actually. It would at least be honest…”

In other words, human nature and perception is simply too fickle and emotional to be objective by any… eh, objective metric. Journalism is not a science.

Whether his actions should be considered a hit and miss depends on the desired end result. If pissing off the libs or appeasing his base is the goal then yes, he has hit many grand slams. But he is clearly running for president, so by every metric so far when compared to that goal his actions the evidence clearly shows he is striking out.
This is all kinds of wrong. A first term governor’s “desired end result” is to retain the confidence and trust of his constituents enough, or better yet, gain more confidence and trust, to gain reelection. Not “pissing off the libs,” not “appeasing his base.” Geesh, your characterization is steeped in bias. I made no mention at all about presidential aspirations— which means I wasn’t talking about that at all.

So, when the majority of media exclusively posits stories which show DeSantis as undeserving of trust and confidence, and he gets re-elected in a landslide, that is not reflecting the reality of how he is perceived by his constituents.
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You didn’t assert that such is virtually impossible in practice or anything similar.
Because the only thing I was talking about at that point in the conversation was the metrics by which we judge whether any individual or organization is objective.

So, when the majority of media exclusively posits stories which show DeSantis as undeserving of trust and confidence, and he gets re-elected in a landslide, that is not reflecting the reality of how he is perceived by his constituents.
Because that isn't the angle which his actions have been covered through. You may not have been talking about him running for president but everyone else has been. It's why the question of whether he planned to serve a full term as governor came up in the debates with Charlie Christ and why he came prepared with a stock answer. It's been obvious from the start, there's a reason we've been talking about the governor of FL for the past 3 years and not the governor of AL.

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Trump would be an extremely bad and damaged nominee who will probably lose. I really really hope that he doesn’t win the nomination again but it looks like he will. And yes, if he does it will be with the help of democrats propping him up 

But I want to push back on the idea that Trump can’t win. Because of his….unique situation (totally blowing all good will by refusing to admit he lost, starting a riot, not wanting to talk about anything other than the election he lost…) people really underrate how bad and divisive Biden’s presidency has been. The inflation situation alone would have totally doomed any party if the alternative offered was at all palatable to the voters. The border situation is incredibly bad, probably the second worst non economic political thing to happen in my lifetime  after Bush’s wars. While it doesn’t rank as high as economics voters do care about the basic functions of a state (like having a border) working properly. Trump is surprisingly competitive in the early polls: 


Yeah yeah maybe they don’t mean a whole lot right now…but they don’t mean nothing either.  Both of these men are well known quantities at this point. He absolutely can win. It seems like everyone other than diehard Maga people have already written him off in the general election but that isn’t a good read of the data at this point 
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Cool cool, now do "adjust for inflation"
My real wages peaked in summer of 2020 lol. Even though my nominal pay is $10,000 more now thanks to a promotion. I am just barely keeping my head above water 
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@Double_R
You’re just talking past what I’m saying at this point. How could media possibly view him as presidential material when all their coverage of him is negative? Are you getting what I’m saying yet, or is it beyond your mode of operation?

Now, DeSantis barely won the governor’s office originally and won reelection by 19%. How do you think this happened?

A. A highly effective propaganda campaign by all right leaning media
B. A pathetically bad opponent 
C. Clearly demonstrated gubernatorial performance 
D. All of the above
E. Something else?
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thank god for crypto, or I would be singing the blues, lol.
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You’re just talking past what I’m saying at this point. How could media possibly view him as presidential material when all their coverage of him is negative? Are you getting what I’m saying yet, or is it beyond your mode of operation?
It appears to be beyond yours.

I have no issue answering any question you have for me, except when you seem to be intent on not recognizing the context in which this conversation is taking place.

Again, I never suggested nor implied that any media organization was actually objective. What I was addressing earlier was the difference between objectivity and neutrality and gave a metric by which we can judge whether any individual or organization qualifies as one or the other. And the reason why I brought up the distinction in the first place was to address your sarcastic insinuation that someone who always falls in line with one side of a political spectrum should automatically be regarded as non-objective, a problematic position because it gives unwarranted credence in the event that one side had gone off the rails which is what I believe to be the case with today's political right.

So going back to your question here, you're pointing out that Desantis's favorability has skyrocketed while his media coverage is almost exclusively negative - and you bring this up seemingly to demonstrate a disconnect between mainstream coverage and reality. But that is extremely flawed. Desantis's favorability has climbed within his own state (a state that voted pretty comfortably for Trump) but the coverage you're pointing to is national, so they're not the same.

If Desantis wants to win nationally he's going to need to appeal to a national audience, yet we have no reason to believe his policies will do so. As one example Desantis has pretty much built his campaign on going to war against wokness, yet 56% of Americans polled said they view wokness positively vs 39% negatively. You can't expect much positive coverage when you are clearly in the minority on the central issue of your candidacy.
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[DeSantis running for president has] been obvious from the start
When do you define “the start,” and how was it “obvious”?

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He was asked on the debate stage whether he would commit to serving out his full term governor if reelected, he wouldn't even answer the question. So everyone already knew before that point.
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So non-committal = committal?

Interesting.
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So everyone already knew before that point.
How did everyone know?

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So non-committal = committal
No genius, being uncommitted to serving out the full term of the job you are literally in the middle of applying for = having a clear eye on another job.

That's not interesting, it's common sense.
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So everyone already knew before that point.
How did everyone know?
How much common sense do you guys need explained to you?

It started when Desantis was asked whether he would rule out challenging Trump for the nomination and he refused to do so starting a very public (although mostly one way) feud with Trump. Politicians who plan to run for president do not share those ambitions until the time is right and normally downplay it instead. Desantis hadn't even gotten himself reelected as governor yet, so that is about as clear of an announcement you're going to get that he plans to run.
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No need for ad homs

And politicians lie all the time about the future.
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Desantis's favorability has climbed within his own state (a state that voted pretty comfortably for Trump) but the coverage you're pointing to is national, so they're not the same. 
Apparently, you believe that DeSantis’ climbing favorability has been largely confined to Florida. How can that possibly make him a major contender for POTUS?

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There's no question Desantis has dramatically improved his national profile among republicans, but this conversation started because you argued that the media coverage of him doesn't reflect reality. As I already mentioned, the coverage you're pointing to is national coverage so you can't pretend this discussion is confined to the political right. There's no question the coverage of him has mostly been biased against his views, that doesn't mean it's not reflective of reality.
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Desantis's favorability has climbed within his own state (a state that voted pretty comfortably for Trump) but the coverage you're pointing to is national, so they're not the same. 

There's no question Desantis has dramatically improved his national profile among republicans…
“Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.”youtu.be/wwIFMCKlVK8
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If it’s Trump v Biden, it comes down to whether you care about the Trump policies that made America prosperous domestically and internationally or whether Trump’s mean.
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......or whether Trump’s mean....
Yes Trump is mean.. Old news and,

>> equals corrupt,
>>>immoral,
>>>>false narrative,
>>>>>sick-n-head,
>>>>>>narcissistic psychosis, etc.

The only people who dont grasp the above is Trumpets cult following Trumpeteers aka follow the narcissistic psychosis leader irrespective of all else, ergo, irrespective of Apocalypse Pence, >> or the less-nutter{?} Haley{?}, De Santis{??}, Cruz{???}, Greene{ !!!!!! } etc

So he got 60 million votes last time.  Does he get less votes if he is convicted of crime, and/or does jail time? Some future is not easy to predict.