Workers in Red States change jobs more often than Blue States

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Qualifying all content written by "non-Experts" as bogus would also nullify every post you have ever made on this site. The fallacy is a 2 edged sword.
I’m not the one who goes around shouting “logical fallacy” 10 times a day here. That would be TWS and periodically you.

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Noble laureate Milton Friedman would disagree with your chosen "experts."
Would he? Friedman is an outlier, but is acceptable to cite because he is credentialed and speaks about topics he is certainly qualified to speak about.

If you can find something from him that contradicts this theory of churn in Red States it would have some weight. But you are more likely to attach a clip of Dan Bongino on YouTube to support your claims.

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That is why Friedman is an outlier in his field. He probably doesn’t believe in the use of economic models either.

skilled tradesmen are often cited as "uneducated" despite the high labor value they provide to society.
Skilled tradesman would be known as that, not experts. But they still often require a course of study to be credentialed as such.

“A tradesman is a skilled worker that specializes in a particular trade (occupation or field of work). Tradesmen usually have work experience, on-the-job training, an apprenticeship program or formal education”

It’s as if you enjoy being wrong
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But you are more likely to attach a clip of Dan Bongino 
never heard of him, but since you watch him, it's pretty safe to say he is a component of corporate media since since you have a history of citing corporate media as "expert" sources...

Watching corporate media in a fascist country isn't usually productive, as corporate media is designed to be self-serving, especially when covering for the malfeasance of their government partners.
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The term "expert" in case you did not know is highly subjective, as it depends on various factors such as context, criteria, and individual perspectives. The subjectivity of the word "expert" arises from the fact that expertise is often domain-specific and can vary depending on the field or discipline being discussed. Different criteria may be used to determine expertise in different areas. For example, expertise in a scientific field might be based on advanced education, years of research experience, publication record, and peer recognition. In contrast, expertise in a practical skill like carpentry might be based on years of hands-on experience, successful projects, and recommendations from satisfied clients. Not to go off on a tangent, but skilled tradesmen are often cited as "uneducated" despite the high labor value they provide to society.

Political bias also taints the word "expert." People may be more inclined to consider someone an expert if they align with their own beliefs or if the person has a reputation or credentials that are highly regarded within a particular community or social context. Evaluating the quality of evidence presented, and seeking a range of perspectives without relying on pre-existing political biases should help mitigate the subjectivity associated with the term "expert," but won't eliminate it.

Milton Friedman, was notably critical of the notion that "experts" possess superior knowledge and should have significant decision-making power. Friedman argued that relying solely on experts could lead to a concentration of power and limit individual freedom. Friedman also believed in the power of decentralized decision-making and the importance of considering a wide range of perspectives and variables. According to Friedman, large population consensus, reflected through the mechanisms of the market or democratic processes, is a more effective way to account for a multitude of factors and produce desirable outcomes. He emphasized the importance of competition, free markets, free occupation choices, and the feedback provided by individuals' choices as a means to aggregate and process information dispersed among many actors.

Friedman argued that individuals possess local knowledge about their own needs, preferences, and circumstances, which cannot be fully captured by centralized experts. He believed that allowing individuals to make choices based on their own assessments and engaging in voluntary interactions in markets or through democratic processes would lead to better outcomes and societal progress. Basically, Friedman claimed that large populations are much better able to adapt to the multiple variables of any problem than an "Expert" who specializes on only one subset of variables.

This is why he advocated for limiting the role of experts in decision-making and promoting the benefits of individual freedom, competition, and the collective wisdom of the people. (Unlike fascist FDR and Mussolini.)

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since you watch him,
I don’t watch him. Only idiots watch him. Same for Tucker Carlson. I don’t believe you when you say you never heard of him.

You have a history of citing different idiots on YouTube over the past several months. That makes you an idiot yourself 

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likely take jobs that are unsuitable
And how did they determine which job is unsuitable for a person?

Sometimes due to government regulation or public pressure, you cannot even say that you hate your job because you have to pretend that men are women and if you say otherwise you get fired by every employer in your area.
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And how did they determine which job is unsuitable for a person?
Are you serious? The churn is the indicator that the job was unsuitable 

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Watching corporate media in a fascist country isn't usually productive,
If you think the United States is a fascist country you are truly a moron.

This is why he advocated for limiting the role of experts in decision-making and promoting the benefits of individual freedom, competition, and the collective wisdom of the people. (Unlike fascist FDR and Mussolini.)
After the great Bush Recession, even Alan Greenspan doesn’t believe in the “invisible hand” anymore. Or Hank Paulson for that matter. You deregulation idiots nearly destroyed the country back then.


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And how did they determine which job is unsuitable for a person?
Most totalitarian countries have low job churn precisely because there are no job options or upward mobility opportunities. That makes blue states indistinguishable.
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The churn is the indicator that the job was unsuitable
Yeah, I dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Suitable job for a worker = preferred job for a worker

Now explain to us how did they meassure that workers likely dont like their job, and how did they meassure that workers in blue states liked theirs.
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Most totalitarian countries have low job churn precisely because there are no job options or upward mobility opportunities. That makes blue states indistinguishable.
What a moron. You are not a serious adult.

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Yeah, I dont have a clue what you are talking about.
That’s because you’re a dummy

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After the great Bush Recession...
You mean the recession triggered by the overregulation of the housing loan industry by Barney Frank, using central "experts" to direct banks to loan out to people who couldn't afford the loans by underwriting the loans with the Federal Government?  Banks who would never on their own in a free market take on those risky loans?  And the same "experts" then provided billions in corporate welfare through TARP? Great example there fanchick.

Barney Frank, cut from the same cloth as FDR and Mussolini.
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Quitting job you dislike and getting a job you like more is what makes workers happy. So yeah, if there are no job options, that doesnt mean worker is happy with his job. It just means he has no choice.
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That’s because you’re a dummy
Great argument you got there.

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Quitting job you dislike and getting a job you like more is what makes workers happy. So yeah, if there are no job options, that doesnt mean worker is happy with his job. It just means he has no choice.
Agreed.
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Sex harassment caused 41 percent of female victims to leave their jobs.
The Top 10 States with the Most Sexual Harassment Charges per 10,000 Population Ages 16 Years and Older, FY 2018 – FY 2021 are:
Alabama
1.00
Arkansas
0.75
Mississippi
0.93
Missouri
0.74
Georgia
0.83
Nevada
0.72
Kansas
0.80
District of Columbia
0.72
Tennessee
0.76
Louisiana
0.72
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I know, I know, Gp will say:

“When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”

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“When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
Lol, no, I will just say, thanks for invoking Godwin's law FLRW. We can rely on you to joke about serious topics like dementia.
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Sex harassment caused 41 percent of female victims to leave their jobs.
So the other 59% of harassed females lived in Blue States where there were no job options? Good catch FLRW.
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You mean the recession triggered by the overregulation of the housing loan industry by Barney Frank, using central "experts" to direct banks to loan out to people who couldn't afford the loans by underwriting the loans with the Federal Government?  Banks who would never on their own in a free market take on those risky loans?  And the same "experts" then provided billions in corporate welfare through TARP?
That is the conservative alternative narrative that is a complete fiction.

The banks came up with the idea to loan to people who couldn’t afford it. They came up with 80/20 interest only, stated income, adjustable mortgages.
They came up with credit default swaps and derivatives 

Fannie and Freddie were late to the party on subprime purchases and packaging but were forced into it by idiots like you who started to say we don’t need them anymore because private investors will buy the paper packaged by private banks.

Experts, like Hank Paulson, have said the Housing crisis was caused by deregulation and a lack of new regulation. The exact opposite of what you just said.

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The history of capitalism in America has been one of striking the right balance between profit, driven market forces, and the array of regulations and laws necessary to harness these forces for the common good.

Hank Paulson, Secretary of the Treasury under GW Bush. page 438, On The Brink

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Not before Barney Frank.
Bullshit. You don’t know what you’re talking about.


These goals required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their purchases of affordable and subprime mortgages, with the intention of promoting homeownership among low-income individuals. The affordable housing goals were part of broader efforts to expand homeownership opportunities.
That’s true, but Fannie and Freddie don’t originate any loans and the banks that did originate them lied about the quality of the borrowers.
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I really wish the mods would start grounding you for a while. Your direct rudeness and ad hominem attacks throughout the TDS & anti-GOP state nonsensical posts are not only annoyingly obnoxious (oft inaccurate), they’re a drain on everyone’s IQ when they read your tripe. 

Just go on a vacation or something. Please. 
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The banks came up with the idea to loan to people who couldn’t afford it.
Not before Barney Frank.

but were forced into it by idiots ..

Calling Barney Frank an idiot isn't productive to a constructive dialogue.

One of the notable initiatives that Barney Frank supported was the affordable housing goals of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, government-sponsored enterprises that play a significant role in the housing market. These goals required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their purchases of affordable and subprime mortgages, with the intention of promoting homeownership among low-income individuals. The affordable housing goals were part of broader efforts to expand homeownership opportunities.

TARP isn't a "conservative alternative fact"
It's a matter of historical record as being one of the largest corporate welfare type legislations passed by a bi-partisan Congress rivaling even the massive BBB corporate welfare.

Without the assurances of TARP, none of those banks would have dared to engage in risky loans that they would have to eat.

Government sponsorship and corporate welfare are also forms of economic regulation, supported by Frank, FDR, and Mussolini.

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Just go on a vacation or something.

Is the truth too difficult for you to hear? Am I disrupting your misinformation bubble? And you throw out as many insults as anyone here you jackass.
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Without the assurances of TARP, none of those banks would have dared to engage in risky loans that they would have to eat.
Wrong. It’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about. TARP didn’t exist when the banks and mortgage brokers made these risky loans. The problem began when investment banks like Lehman and Goldman transitioned from partnerships to corporations. The risk was transferred from the partners to Other Peoples Money at that point. Also, when investment banks became mixed with commercial banks, such as CitiGroup, they got access to Federal Reserve money, even though they were involved in investment banking.

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TARP isn't a "conservative alternative fact"
The alternative facts are what and who caused the housing crisis of 2008, not what extreme measures were necessary to minimize the damage to the global economy