Texas is sending migrants to Blue states. Let’s reciprocate

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Hee haw, you jack ass, or jenny 

an adult female jackass is a jenny or jennet
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the President enforces them
Except he's not enforcing immigration laws. That's the complaint.
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Hee haw, you jack ass, or jenny 

an adult female jackass is a jenny or jennet
Your mind is so polluted that you simply can't stop thinking about asses. It was bad enough that you went on about vibrators before, but wow. You're a real grotty old man LOL.

And that's not even to mention the laundry sniffing you do...
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Except he's not enforcing immigration laws. That's the complaint.
Complain to the Congress. They are the ones who haven’t fixed a broken immigration system and haven’t provided the resources to execute the laws. 

It’s their fault!

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Ok Jenny. Hee haw
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haven’t provided the resources
Illegal immigration was much lower under Trump.
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Sounds like you've just ended up with laundry...
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Illegal immigration was much lower under Trump.
It was totally fucked up. Do you remember he separated children from parents, deported the parents and then lost track of the children? They were separated for months and we were stuck with the kids and no idea how to return them. It was complete incompetence 

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Illegal immigration was much lower under Trump.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.

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Trump is hardly the only example, and my point isn't even that his policies were good. Even without child separations, it's possible to enforce the border much more strictly than Biden is doing. I don't even love strict immigration policies, but the hypocrisy of Democrats being mad about an influx of immigrants annoys me.
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Link says it grew more under Biden in 13 months than under the entire Trump presidency.
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Savant is schooling you on every point lol.

No wonder you troll so much. You literally can't outdebate anyone on this site.
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Link says it grew more under Biden in 13 months than under the entire Trump presidency.
Really? Link says there were 11.4 million illegal immigrants in the US under Trump and 11.4 million immigrants under Biden

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I guess you could give Trump credit for botching the federal response to COVID which led to a massive recession and 16% unemployment thus causing immigrants to leave the struggling US economy. You could do that but it would be stupid to credit Trump for lowering the illegal population by destroying the economy 

The fat assed foreign racist is buying that nonsense, but she’s just a dumb kid who can’t find a husband 
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it's possible to enforce the border much more strictly than Biden is doing.
You have a plan? Who is your Congressman? Call them and tell them your brilliant plan!

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11.4 million illegal immigrants in the US under Trump and 11.4 million immigrants under Biden
That's picking one point in each of their presidencies, which is not good statistical practice. Per your source, "To place the 1.7 million growth in the total foreign-born population over the last 13 months in perspective, in the 48 months of the Trump presidency (January 2017 to December 2020), the total foreign-born population increased by 1.5 million."

botching the federal response to COVID which led to a massive recession and 16% unemployment thus causing immigrants to leave the struggling US economy
Covid hit Central America way worse, so that's already an untenable link. Not great to rely on speculation when the data is against you. Also, I already said I wasn't defending Trump's immigration policy as "good", just saying he was more effective at enforcing border crossings.
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Literally no one agreed with IwantRooseveltagain in this thread.

Even fellow Progressives disagreed with him.

Funny thread.
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That's picking one point in each of their presidencies, which is not good statistical practice. Per your source, "To place the 1.7 million growth in the total foreign-born population over the last 13 months in perspective, in the 48 months of the Trump presidency (January 2017 to December 2020), the total foreign-born population increased by 1.5 million."
Bullshit. The short lived decline was associated with Covid and nothing else.

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Covid hit Central America way worse, so that's already an untenable link.
That makes no sense. Their economy sucked before, during and after Covid. The US economy crashed during COVID.

just saying he was more effective at enforcing border crossings.
He was not more effective. If he had shot people trying to cross the border and border crossings decreased, would you have said Trump was “more effective at enforcing border crossings “

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The short lived decline was associated with Covid and nothing else.
Even if you assume that (and there's little reason to), accounting for migrants per month puts Trump way ahead.
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Their economy sucked before, during and after Covid.
There are levels of scale here. Mexico is a second-world country. Pandemics can have devastating effects on their economy. It can certainly do worse than the status quo.
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accounting for migrants per month puts Trump way ahead.
How so?

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If he had shot people trying to cross the border and border crossings decreased
He didn't, though.
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How so?
Add the dip to Trump's number and set that as the total for his first three years of presidency.

Trump: (1.5+1.7)/36 = 0.0889 million/month
Biden: 1.7/13 = 0.131 million/month
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Mexico is a second-world country. 
Now you are talking Mexico? You were talking Central American before. Mexico is part of North America

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Trump: (1.5+1.7)/48 = 0.0667 million/month
Biden: 1.7/13 = 0.131 million/month
The numbers you listed are incoherent.

Trump had the same number of illegal immigrants in the country as Biden
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Mexico is part of North America
Central America isn't an official continent, and Mexico is included.
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Trump had the same number of illegal immigrants in the country as Biden
That's not how rate of change works. If they went down from covid and up from Biden, we have to compare that to how many and how fast immigrants entered the country under Trump.
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Mexico, officially the United Mexican States, is a country in the southern portion of North America. It is bordered to the north by the United States; to the south and west by the Pacific Ocean; to the southeast by Guatemala, Belize, and the Caribbean Sea; and to the east by the Gulf of Mexico. 
A 5 year old knows Mexico is part of North America 


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That's not how rate of change works. If they went down from covid and up from Biden, we have to compare that to how much and how fast immigrants entered the country under Trump.
Are you stupid? They went down from Covid and up from Covid ending would be the proper way to state the facts.

Trump doesn’t get credit for the immigrants who left when the COVID recession hit the US.