liberals who support banning conservatives on twitter... do you also support those who ban books?

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300 million users stayed.
they've lost millions of users since Elon bought it. And more are leaving all the time. So even by your logic, the old moderated system had more users and was more popular than Elon's version.

Most people want free speech. Most people stayed on Twitter. If most people stayed on twitter, then most people want free speech.
you aren't making any sense. A platform gained hundreds of millions of users while using restrictions. It stopped using those restrictions and their users started to drop. And you think that means people want that? That's silly. If "free speech" is what they wanted, they wouldn't have been on twitter in the 1st place, they would have been on one of those "free speech" apps.

Please think of actual arguments next time.
coming from someone who doesn't make any sense, that's funny.


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Who are you quoting?
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oh, I was quoting best korea. I don't know how it replied to you. Maybe I mis-clicked. sorry. 
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A platform gained hundreds of millions of users while using restrictions. It stopped using those restrictions and their users started to drop. And you think that means people want that? That's silly.
If twitter has 300 million users and has free speech, then people want free speech. Twitter has 300 million users and has free speech. People want free speech.

If twitter has 300 million users and has free speech, then it is false that all people would leave the site that has free speech. Twitter has 300 million users and has free speech. It is false that all people would leave the site that has free speech.

P1) If 300 million people stayed on Twitter after Twitter allowed free speech, then 300 million people value free speech enough to stay on twitter.
P2) 300 million people stayed on Twitter after Twitter allowed free speech
C) 300 million people value free speech enough to stay on Twitter.

P1) If people dont want free speech, twitter wouldnt have 300 million users.
P2) Twitter has 300 million users.
C) It is false that people dont want free speech.

P1) If 300 million people stayed on twitter after twitter allowed free speech, then 300 million people want to use the site that has free speech.
P2) 300 million people stayed on twitter after twitter allowed free speech
C) 300 million people want to use the site that has free speech

Given that your argument, if it can be called that, was that people would leave site that has free speech, we see the example of twitter refuting your argument.

P1) If lots of people value free speech, then lots of people will value free speech on social media.
P2) Lots of people value free speech
C) Lots of people will value free speech on social media.

The only way to argue against this is to argue that very few people value freedom of speech lmao

Of course, there are people that would like to silence the opposition and abolish free speech. However:

P1) If freedom of speech is a right, it cannot be taken away because some people disagree with it.
P2) Freedom of speech is a right.
C) Freedom of speech cannot be taken away because some people disagree with it.

P1) If freedom of speech is a right, then it is more important than some profit.
P2) Freedom of speech is a right
C) Freedom of speech is more important than some profit.

Now, if you say: freedom of speech should be abolished any time there could be harm, then:

P1) If promoting harm can cause harm, then promoting harm should be banned.
P2) Promoting harm can cause harm
C) Promoting harm should be banned.

P1) If LGBT promoting abortions and castration can cause death and violence, then LGBT promoting abortions and castrations should be banned.
P2) LGBT promoting abortions and castration can cause death and violence
C) LGBT promoting abortions and castrations should be banned.

Promoting abortions and castrations means promoting death and violence.

P1) If LGBT books promote death and violence towards children, then LGBT books should be banned
P2) LGBT books promote death and violence towards children
C) LGBT books should be banned

There are only few positions you can hold, but none is good for your rainbow ideology.
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If twitter has 300 million users and has free speech, then people want free speech. Twitter has 300 million users and has free speech. People want free speech.
lol, 300 million people started using a product with moderation. The product changed and dropped the moderation and users started leaving. This is REALLY simple. If the change was popular, user numbers would be going up, not down. The fact that they are going down proves the change is not popular. 

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lol, 300 million people started using a product with moderation. The product changed and dropped the moderation and users started leaving. This is REALLY simple. If the change was popular, user numbers would be going up, not down. The fact that they are going down proves the change is not popular.
It seems that most basic logic fails you.

Lets try something very simple.

P1) If 300 million people use the site that has free speech, it means that 300 million people want to be on a site that has free speech
P2) 300 million people use the site that has free speech
C) 300 million people want to be on a site that has free speech.

Ok, lets make it even more simple, because I am afraid it is still too complicated.

P1) If 300 million users are still using the site after free speech was introduced, it means that great majority of the users stayed on the site.
P2) 300 million users are still using the site after free speech was introduced.
C) Great majority of users stayed on the site.

There. I think I can make it a bit more simple.

P1) If free speech is more valuable than small part of users leaving the site, then site should have free speech.
P2) Free speech is more valuable than small part of users leaving the site
C) Site should have free speech.

P1) If small number of users leaving due to freedom of speech will not make site shut down, then site should implement freedom of speech
P2) Small number of users leaving due to freedom of speech will not make site shut down
C) Site should implement freedom of speech. 

There. I tried my best to explain it to you in the most simple way possible.
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Ok, I have one more.

P1) If freedom of speech is more valuable than not losing some users, then freedom of speech should be protected even if it causes the loss of some users
P2) Freedom of speech is more valuable than not losing some users
C) Freedom of speech should be protected even if it causes the loss of some users.

I dont think I can make it any more simple.
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your "logic" is stupid. people signed up for an app they liked. Then it started changing and they started leaving. Just because 100% of their users didn't immediately leave the app doesn't mean they like the direction Musk is taking it in. You are assuming that the choice is binary. Either they leave the second musk took over, or they must love the direction musk is taking it. That is some extremely childish thinking. 

P2) Small number of users leaving due to freedom of speech will not make site shut down
no, running out of money is going to make them shut down. They are losing TONS of money since most of their advertisers wont spend money to advertise there any more. 
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Just because 100% of their users didn't immediately leave the app doesn't mean they like the direction Musk is taking it in.
95% of users didnt leave the site after free speech was applied. 95% of users stayed on the site. If 95% of users stayed on the site, then 95% of users didnt leave the site after free speech was applied.

Free speech should be respected even when people dislike it. Free speech doesnt stop being important if people dislike it. If free speech doesnt stop being important if people dislike it, then free speech should be respected even when people dislike it.

Free speech should be respected on social media. Free speech holds same value in public as it does on social media. If free speech holds same value in public as it does on social media, then free speech should be respected on social media.


running out of money is going to make them shut down 
Twitter didnt shut down after applying free speech.
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95% of users didnt leave the site after free speech was applied. 95% of users stayed on the site. If 95% of users stayed on the site, then 95% of users didnt leave the site after free speech was applied.
most twitter users have been using it for years. They don't want to leave twitter because it is a significant part of their life. So they aren't going to leave on a dime the second elon buys it. They will leave once it becomes clear the app sucks now. And that takes time. They have to get more and more fed up with elon's bullshit. And millions have already gotten to that point. and over the next few years, 10's of millions more will too. Social media sites rely on growth. Maintaining the same number of users doesn't cut it. Losing users year after year definitely doesn't cut it. If elon can't stop the bleeding, Twitter will die. And since the bleeding is caused by things Elon is doing, he is incapable of stopping it. 

Twitter didnt shut down after applying free speech.
no, they just lost the large majority of their revenue and are losing money every single day. They are propped up only by the wealth of some rich assholes. When they either run out of money or (more likely) get sick of losing so much money, then they shut down (or sell to someone capable of actually running a successful social media company).
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Free speech is about protecting religious speech, political speech and  criticism  of govt. Its never been about protecting the rantings, drawings and pictures produced by the vulgar.
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Scotus agrees with you.