Supreme Court To Consider Whether Domestic Abusers Can Own Guns

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I have no problems with a person appealing this decision in court.  Make your case that you should have guns


That's due process
Rights are not (ought not be) subject to referendum. It's not his onus to justify his right to own property; it's the onus of those who object to justify their seizure without contradicting the principles which they allege they maintain--(P.S. they can't.)
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This is opinion.   The government can say you can't own lots of things
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This is opinion.
Redundant.

The government can say you can't own lots of things
I don't think anyone disputes what the government "can" or "can't say." That's not the objection.

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The government can take away guns from peopke deemed dangerous......and should 
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The government can take away guns from peopke deemed dangerous
Dangerous is an "opinion," is it not? If you were to attempt to convince me of their danger to the extent where they'd require removal and prohibition, how would you start?

......and should 
Why?

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Yes the government is allowed to take the opinion that felons, those with restrainibg orders and domestic violence cases are dangerous and can be not allowed to have weapons

Because the government is the people and we say so
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Because the government is the people and we say so
And what of the people who disagree? What of the millions of gun owners who have never used or have never been reported to use their firearm in a violent act? Do they not comprise "the people"?

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Then vote.  But if the will of the people pass laws to remove guns from dangerous people then they will remove them
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Then vote.  But if the will of the people pass laws to remove guns from dangerous people then they will remove them
So "majority rule"? All conflicts and disputes should then be resolved through majoritarian consensus?
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Within the framework of the constitution....and this law is unless you have a ruling against it
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Within the framework of the constitution....and this law is unless you have a ruling against it
And the government's taking away firearms doesn't disparage the right delineated in the second amendment?

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If it does bring your case before the court.

Until the law is overturned it is presumed constitutional 
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If it does bring your case before the court.

Until the law is overturned it is presumed constitutional 
No it isn't. Constitutional is different from lawful.

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Uh....no.  a law is presumed constitutional until it is ruled otherwise.  Before that you just have an opinion.   It's only the opinion of the judge that really matters
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Uh....no.  a law is presumed constitutional until it is ruled otherwise.
I stand corrected.

Before that you just have an opinion.   It's only the opinion of the judge that really matters
I thought I had to vote. So absent of my capacity to bring my grievance against the seizure of my firearms to the Supreme Court, the rights delineated in the Constitution are solely dictated by the opinion of judges?
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Constitutionality is only determined by judges.  Legislatures can make any law and judges rule if it is Constitutional.   There is also the amendment process to add to the Constitution