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@keithprosser
How would you address the concern that this would turn every ban into a drawn-out drama circus?Anyone who complains about a ban (or about a non-ban) gets banned.
Don't understand how this addresses my question.
How would you address the concern that this would turn every ban into a drawn-out drama circus?Anyone who complains about a ban (or about a non-ban) gets banned.
We don't need to speculate about what would and wouldn't happen with a structured trial, Castin. Not when we can simply conduct an experiment and make conclusions afterwards. I happen to disagree that the trial of some no-name user nobody cares about would "stir up" drama, but there's only one objective way to find out. At which point if the idea ends up being a disaster, we can all agree it forum-trials suck and move on!I can think of several members whose bans didn't stir up much drama. But had they been put on trial, their bans absolutely would have stirred up drama. It's a question of degree. While bans already can cause drama, it's drama about a decision that's already been made and is final. There's a whole other world of drama when the outcome is still up in the air, as in a trial.
If you accept just any volunteer for juror I think you'd be leaning closer toward mob rule. How would you ensure that responsible people are selected for the jury
You could have a mod review all the jurors' votes and just remove any they don't like.If you accept just any volunteer for juror I think you'd be leaning closer toward mob rule. How would you ensure that responsible people are selected for the jury?
If you accept just any volunteer for juror I think you'd be leaning closer toward mob rule. How would you ensure that responsible people are selected for the jury?You could have a mod review all the jurors' votes and just remove any they don't like.
We don't need to speculate about what would and wouldn't happen with a structured trial, Castin. Not when we can simply conduct an experiment and make conclusions afterwards. I happen to disagree that the trial of some no-name user nobody cares about would "stir up" drama, but there's only one objective way to find out. At which point if the idea ends up being a disaster, we can all agree it forum-trials suck and move on!
As I said in my OP, the prosecution and defense will ultimately have to agree on who is/isn't part of the jury. The first thing I would do after getting enough volunteers is to have the prosecutor and defense attorney engage in the real world process known as Voir Dire. They would ultimately determine who was in the jury by process of elimination. Should this process get implemented on an official level, we can go even further with jury selection techniques. Comparing jury trials is mob rule is akin to comparing moderators to dictators IMO. It's an absolute extreme of what can happen without the proper precautions taken on the front end.
Arguments invalidated by your awful judgment in new profile pic.Recommend this thread now be a trial of Resurge's profile pic.
I appreciate that, but as trials are a non-starter, we can only discuss them hypothetically. So I'm talking about them with you in the only way that's really possible, as I see it. The only alternative is to not hear you out at all.
Does this mean that mods are a better alternative? No... of course not, but that's of peripheral concern to me.
You misunderstand. By "trials are a non-starter", I mean they are against the rules and an experiment will not be allowed. Seeing how they work is not an option. The only option is discussion of hypotheticals.I appreciate that, but as trials are a non-starter, we can only discuss them hypothetically. So I'm talking about them with you in the only way that's really possible, as I see it. The only alternative is to not hear you out at all.I'm more interested in seeing how they work than speculating. Admittedly, I don't know one way or another what ramifications a structured trial would work nor does anybody. If you don't want to hear me out at all, that's your prerogative, but you'll forgive me if I think the words "trials are a non-starter" is a pretty solid indicator of you not wanting to hear me out at all. Now if you are interested in hearing me out and just have some legit concerns about the effects a mere experiment would have, that's different and I'm happy to address them!
Oh ho, trying to win back my favor with a Morrowind reference, eh? Well joke's on you, this only won you back 9.9 of the 10 points you lost with me. I bet you're so embarrassed now.Once I was a Master Shitposter in the service of Lord Wylted, chief architect of the great final DDO Empire, and the greatest troll of his time. I could not match the genius of Lord Wylted, but what he could envision, I and the Plastics could build. All of that is gone forever. I still retain my cunning, but my hands and eyes fail me, and my memories have long faded. My only consolation is each day to mock the mods who destroyed my race, and condemned me to this bleak existence.
Groovy. Stay cool Dudz.I don't like RM, but I would listen to his case
The process must be arbitrary, if you're making it up as you go along or coming up with rules after the fact.
You misunderstand. By "trials are a non-starter", I mean they are against the rules and an experiment will not be allowed. Seeing how they work is not an option. The only option is discussion of hypotheticals.