White House issues marching orders to media outlets

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It’s funny that you truly believe that reality itself exhibits a bias on the political spectrum. Again, free to make a thread about it; I’ll be there, Captain!
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And Fox staffers were livid about it, fyi. Yet you compare them when it is convenient for you.

We can add “false equivalencies” to the list.
The fact that staffers at Fox were livid is irrelevant. The staffers are not the ones making decisions as to the direction of the network nor are they the ones who cultivated the environment where a prime time host would not immediately understand that they had no business being on stage at a political rally.

You felt the need to begin aggressively and dismissively with “Your view on the matter is biased because [assumption] and can be disregarded because [fallacy].”
The only part of your original post I showed could be disregarded was your statement that it "must be read to be believed". Do you understand what makes something believable vs what makes something not believable?

My original post implied you were biased, it never attempted to explain why.

So yet again, you are refuting an argument I never made despite repeated examples where I explained it to you in great detail. By this point you have made it obvious that you have no interest in understanding my very simple 2 sentence initial reply.

Setting that aside, I get what you're saying regarding my tone and for whatever it's worth it's not the kind of member I try to be so I don't just brush that off. However, I also feel compelled to point out that this is a debate site. The point isn't to make friends and build relationships, the idea is to find like minded individuals who enjoy the exercise of having their views challenged along with challenging others. I'll never understand why people come here if they're going to take things so personally or refuse to engage on a topic on the basis that they don't think they're going to change someone else's mind.
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Setting that aside, I get what you're saying regarding my tone and for whatever it's worth it's not the kind of member I try to be so I don't just brush that off.
I appreciate that.

Again, I have ample response to everything else you have said, but I’m not in the mood to keep this “endless loop” going… endlessly. I will retract the “must be read to be believed” if that is the sticking point. With that, would you like to rewrite your initial response?
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History is rife with explanations and justifications for the collapse of previous societal norms and moral codes.
just explained to you how the Biden memo is no less bad because of anything Trump did. Did you read my post? Did you understand it? Are you even writing these responses, or just copying and pasting quotes you dug up?
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Saying it's bad while also saying it's irrelevant. That's how nations crumble.
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would you like to rewrite your initial response?
Let's just try this;

Given the nature of the relationship the prior administration had with the largest cable news network on television, what about this example do you find worthy of our attention?
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Saying it's bad while also saying it's irrelevant. That's how nations crumble.
I never said it's irrelevant. The strawman continues.
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My point, before I brought your personal behavior into the mix, is that it was unremarkable compared to the prior 4 years, 

It's certainly a shift in the Overton window. That's not a good thing at all so we need to fight back against it, but right now there are far more important battles to concern ourselves with.

Trump right now is a coin flip away from another term. The guy who tried to end American democracy, the guy who has pledged to go after his political opponents, the guy who wants to gut the entire federal government so he can make loyalty to him the number one job requirement. But we're supposed to be concerned with a WH memo asking media outlets to spend more time on a subject they find pressing. Give me a break.


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It’s funny that you truly believe that reality itself exhibits a bias on the political spectrum.
You have it backwards. Reality doesn’t exhibit a bias to liberals, the left is biased towards reality. Because liberals choose to use critical thinking skills and live in reality.

“Reality has a well known liberal bias” is just a funny way that Colbert (and I) uses to mock conservatives 

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It's really great leftists worship a millionaire comic like Colbert, because multi-millionaires really care.

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Too bad Colbert is a Catholic. Technically, that makes him deluded in the eyes of the progressive movement.
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It's really great leftists worship a millionaire comic like Colbert, because multi-millionaires really care.
Are there any Libertarians who are millionaires?

Is that douchebag Rand Paul a millionaire?

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I never said it's irrelevant. The strawman continues.
Unremarkable and irrelevant are two different things.

Saying we have bigger things to focus on does not mean the issue at question is irrelevant.

Basic English.
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Given the nature of the relationship the prior administration had with the largest cable news network on television, what about this example do you find worthy of our attention?
The Whitehouse memo and CNN article betray a rather “cozy” relationship between government power and the “free and independent”institution charged with keeping that power in check, which undermines the public trust in its institutions.

When I learned of the memo, I wondered how Ian Sams, the Whitehouse spokesman, would have the chutzpah to advise the press, namely “CNN, The New York Times, Fox News, the Associated Press, CBS News, and others” on how to cover more properly government proceedings regarding… the Whitehouse itself! That just reeks of a conflict of interests. I mean, the press has already been casting doubt on the legitimacy of the proceedings! Is it because Ian Sams is so arrogant as to believe, on some level, that the press corps constitutes a de facto public relations firm for the Biden Whitehouse? Actually, I can see how he might have developed that very notion.

Flipping over to Oliver Darcy’s, CNN reporter (not a columnist), article, one can see how he reports on the memo. Does he:

- mention that the press is a check on government power, AND that the Whitehouse is a large aspect of that power?
- mention how highly unusual such a memo is?
- mention that the Whitehouse is overstepping its jurisdiction with the memo?
- reproduce the memo in its entirety?
- conduct interviews with relevant authorities on the appropriateness of such a memo?

No. Instead, he writes:

“The White House sent a letter to top US news executives on Wednesday, urging them to intensify their scrutiny of House Republicans after Speaker Kevin McCarthy launched an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden, despite having found no evidence of a crime.”

He opens with the common press refrain “no evidence of a crime.” Straight out of the chute, he shows how amenable he is to this exhortation from the very power he is supposed to be keeping in check.

“The correspondence comes one day after McCarthy announced that he had directed three House committees to begin an impeachment inquiry into Biden. House Republicans, most of whom have denied that disgraced former President Donald Trump committed any wrongdoing, have long sought to baselessly portray Biden as a corrupt, crime-ridden politician engaged in sinister activities.”

One day after? The Whitehouse is wasting no time here. Darcy, again— a reporter, not a columnist, frames the whole thing as “Trump: disgraced; GOP: hypocritical; Biden: innocent.” It’s all “just the facts!”

“While news organizations have published innumerable fact checks on the matter, they have also often failed to robustly call out the mis- and disinformation peddled by Republicans in their coverage, frustrating officials in the Biden White House who believe that the news media should be doing more to dispel lies that saturate the public discourse.”

Here, Darcy basically states his complete agreement and grants total validation for the existence of such an exhortation from the Whitehouse to the press. Stay independent there, reporter Darcy!

He goes on to quote some, but not all, of its contents:

“”Covering impeachment as a process story – Republicans say X, but the White House says Y – is a disservice to the American public who relies on the independent press to hold those in power accountable,” Sams wrote.”

How interesting— Sams is exhorting the press to maintain its independent check on those in power… hmmm… I can cut the irony with a knife! Maybe Sams believes subconsciously that the press is only a check on GOP power? Does Darcy note this irony? Nope. He’s too busy being in agreement with the memo, you know, as a responsible, independent news reporter.

Finally, he concludes his “objective and dispassionate” article, presumably written from the inside of President Biden’s colon, with this very subtle change to the claim with which he opened:

“The Republican House-led investigations into Biden have yet to provide any direct evidence that the president financially benefited from Hunter Biden’s career overseas.”

Did anyone notice? In the beginning, he said “no evidence!” Here, at the conclusion, he subtly adds a pivotal descriptor: no “direct evidence.” How very interesting…

Now, to compare with Trump’s actions…

It is no secret that Trump views Fox News as his personal PR firm. But he clearly sees the rest of major media as enemies. You know this. Yes, all the pundits at Fox play right into Trump’s lap. If one hates Trump, one will not enjoy Fox’s very protracted and prominently scheduled opinion segments. Although Fox does still offer pushback to Trump’s demands at times, I don’t wish to open up that can of worms tit for tat and am willing to “hand Fox media over to Trump and his followers.” Fox comprises one out of 3 cable networks and one out of… I don’t know… 10 major news outlets?

As I said, you don’t see Fox News as comparable to CNN at all. Doesn’t CNN et al hold themselves to a higher standard? Yet you wish to directly compare them when it suits you.

So, when Hannity, a pundit, not a reporter, stumped for Trump, how did CNN cover that blatant breach of decorum? As I pointed out earlier in this thread, it was none other than objective CNN reporter Oliver Darcy presenting us with this article:


You might notice a little difference in both tone and messaging.



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Remember that  Fox News agreed to pay Dominion Voting Systems nearly $800 million to avert a trial in the voting machine company's lawsuit that would have exposed how the network promoted lies about the 2020 presidential election.
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Perfectly acceptable free speech
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Shhh… I’m sleeping.
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It's only ok when their team does this
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It's only ok when their team does this

Thank you for summing up the OP.
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It's almost as if government officials are auditioning daily for a seamless transition into the private workforce as a well compensated lobbyist!



Yet only one of these is, using a RR word, "Unremarkable"

Vegas odds on which one?

To the OP, this situation is indeed "Remarkable" because this future "job applicant" is now the one making the direct requests instead of the privately owned media employers....almost as if that candidate was already de-facto hired in the private workforce while also holding a position of government power...

It's the "remarkable" evolution of government corruption readily visible to any non-partisan.
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I'm OK when both teams do it

I'm for free speech


You're not
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For many Americans, it's also "unremarkable" that CIA operatives now transition seamlessly into MSM media jobs on daily shows. You know, the CIA, the organization tasked with global regime change and subverting foreign elections when the leader isn't "America friendly," The ones who removed an elected leader and started the Donbas war in 2014, and are now on mainstream TV as "contributors" to explain why another 100 Billion needs to be sent to weapons companies to continue the war?
 





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If you have a hot minute, this might interest you.
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Yeah the Cia is great
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Thank you for summing up the OP.
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Thanks for admitting you are wrong
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There are much worse things than being wrong.
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It may have had something to do with the fact that he lost the election.
Meet the new Trump, same as the old Trump?
It is absolutely not necessary to love, accept, and apologize for Biden in order to hate Trump.
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As evidenced by your posts