My first debate, and I will miss it as my last sad ad ad ☠️ on a show about how much the government hates me because and how much they I don’t like 👍 and that is why I am so not a surprised 😦 at this one but 1️⃣ million views are worth a lot of hate and hate in the world 🌍 right there is in this video I think 🤔 and it will be a very sad 😢 sad 😢 I will never 👎 be able
Look, if you really want to discuss it do it in some other debate, you can use all your arguments and ideas in there, but this one is already on vote. You made a vote, provided a reason that’s it. There’s no need to keep fighting because your side is losing. Maybe it’s absurd to you, but we don’t care. However we WILL care in your own debate. That’s where I will agree with you.
Sounds fair?
Because I’m tired of countering all your comments.
And the fact that you don’t understand the topic makes me even more tired.
So please. Just move on
The last comment was because you said only Dhaka included the child’s perspective which wasn’t even the main point of the debate but since you kept denying that I had any arguments about the child I had to physically show you one.
And first of all, everything was ok until IamAditaDhaka randomly got mad again and included me in his comment. Then you said in one of your comments that the topic was about the child’s perspective which makes no sense. The topic is about the parents perspective as well, don’t you see?
“ Ok but can we also consider the child themselves. Not all humans have the same way of thinking. Which is exactly why mainstream psychology condemns conversation therapy. The parent’s might not have even disagreed, they might be just a little bit against it, and yet, the child might have a weak state of mind, hence thinking of suicide. I agree that parents could go softer, but fear may turn them onto the wrong direction.”
The topic was never about the child, it was about the parents. Obviously Dhaka included child’s perspective to his advantage, whearas I stuck the topic, which was about the parents perspective. I also did include the child in my arguments but obviously you don’t include that for the sake of Dhaka
I don’t see the reason to fight you, I thought we already put this at rest?
Why do you keep commenting to me, saying my arguments got”folded like a napkin”.
So I don’t know what your problem is, if you’re mad, sad, jeleous, stressed, but I just don’t see the point to keep continuing this,
Keep blabbering on with your tantrum, but just letting you know it’s over and there’s no reason to keep fighting.
Ah ok. I think you misunderstood what Im trying to say, Im trying to say that I included religion because it has a big part in topics like homosexuality.
You’re saying I included one religion, which isn’t fair in your opinion, right?
Ok but you see, I didnt just include one religion, when I meant religious parents, I meant many religions that are against homosexuality.
I completely understand how you could be confused, but I hope that you understand now. ^^
You keep saying that religion is “absurd” (how many times have you used this word) and it doesn’t count?
You can clearly see that you just said that religious arguments doesn’t count. That’s pretty bias to me.
And what about it makes it not count, In nowhere of your comments, does it state the reason why religion doesn’t count.
All I see is your angry tantrums about my arguments. I included religion, and I gave con a choice to, because it is one of the biggest ground rules in this type of situations.
And since you didnt quote a single thing in my arguments, I have reason to believe that you dont care about how good my reason is or how hard I tried, you think that my arguments automatically wrong and always will be.
Ok see, I get what you’re trying to say, and I completely understand if you vote for con, he also did a great job, but what Im frustrated about is that you keep telling me my arguments are absurd and disgusting and immoral, but you dont include a single quote FROM my arguments to support your claim, and if you think religion has nothing to do with the topic, or its the only way I could defend myself, then you must not have even read the arguments, hence a bias vote.
Why?
Well I CLEARLY stated in the second round the first half of my whole argument was making rebuttals for con, which you completely ignored singe it was “disgusting” apparently.
If you keep replying to my messages with the fact that my arguments are bad, without any claim, how are we supposed to believe that you’re not bias?
I am sorry for such a harmful comment.
I understand your view, but I would still like the Mods to have a clear look at it
If you could understand, please respect that since I was one round behind, I had to craft up an argument and also make a counter for my fellow con.
So yes, to you it may seem stupid and absurd, although no one else seems to think so, you can try and include some points of pros argument that you are trying to prove your point,
I even agreed to some of your terms I understood and respected what you felt, and I provided my own opinion, then you argue back and one third of your paragraph doesn’t even make sense.
I can see you’re mad, or maybe this is the way you talk, but instead of acting like a toddler tell me in a clean and straightforward manner, WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS AND HOW YOU WANT TO FIX IT.
I don’t want to be your enemy, sir, nor do you want to be mine, so let’s not diss eachother and understand our different views
And you’re telling me that I’m desperate for votes,
You just made a speech about how rude I am and how dumb I am
Then suddenly an innocent voter votes and you get mad at them?
C’mon man
Vote: con
Reason: Dhaka called him darling and sweetheart. How nice of him!
The reason for the vote is that trying to prevent or change your child's sexuality is factually ignorant, and also-staying on the topic- not ethical (even questioning if it is ethical is absurd). Unless you invoke religion. Which 21pilots does. Obviously because there is no other way to defend his position (or even attach some ethics to it) except for saying: Because god says so.
His arguments outside religion look like this: Parents have the fear that their child might not survive or that they might lose it all or that they will not be good parents. So it is not selfish that they are torturing a child just to feel good for themselves but it is ethical because they have fear. A very ethical argument in itself!
And Dhaka also calls him honey! Wholesome!
This is UmbrellaCorps vote:
Now from this I feel as if he is trying to say, the whole topic is stupid, I don’t care how good pro tried and there’s nothing he can do except blabber on about religion. So con automatically wins the round because he has more power and space to write.
He didn’t list a single thing about your or my argument, nor did he care about what my argument was trying to tell people, which wasn’t just about religion.
Now from his you can see, with the addition of sarcasm of your sassy way of debating, I could be deeply offended since I put so much time into my arguments.
Look, I get that it’s frustrating to have your vote or post removed I really do. But let’s not pretend this is about censorship just because people didn’t like what you said. From the outside, it looks more like it was about how you said it.
Calling people “darling” and “honey” might seem like a bit of sass or sarcasm to you, but when you’re debating something as personal and serious as a kid’s identity and their relationship with their parents, that tone can come off as dismissive or even mocking. Whether that was your intent or not, tone matters especially on a platform that’s supposed to promote civil, good-faith debate.
You say your argument had strong moral points. Cool then why not let those points speak for themselves? Sarcasm doesn’t make your logic better. If anything, it just distracts from it.
Also, bringing up people “mocking Indian culture” or “endorsing child abuse” those are huge claims. If that really happened, it should absolutely be called out, but that’s something to report directly, not something to throw in the middle of a totally different point to justify your tone.
No one’s saying you can’t be passionate. But there’s a difference between passion and provocation. Being sharp and being respectful aren’t opposites you can do both at once.
So no, this isn’t about silencing you. It’s just about keeping the debate space respectful for everyone. If your argument is strong, it doesn’t need the extra bite. Let the ideas do the work.
Please just calm down for once and understand my opinions
Ok sorry I tried. I was in a bit of a rush anyway.
If it got personal to you, I’m deeply sorry for your state of mind.
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I don’t know and I don’t care uwuuwuwwuuuw
I’ve improved so so so much after this
This is so sad
My first debate, and I will miss it as my last sad ad ad ☠️ on a show about how much the government hates me because and how much they I don’t like 👍 and that is why I am so not a surprised 😦 at this one but 1️⃣ million views are worth a lot of hate and hate in the world 🌍 right there is in this video I think 🤔 and it will be a very sad 😢 sad 😢 I will never 👎 be able
Oke
I love yogurt
Pros arguments are AI?
Pls delete my vote, I meant to give one point to con
Your vote is exactly what I’m talking about
This was a hard and serious debate.
With complex wording and undeniable sparks.
Both I and con tried our best.
And would both like some votes.
I agree with novice II, for debates like this, you should have judges, the public might not understand the topic enough to make a clear vote
-IamAdityaDhaka
Maybe because her vote got deleted 2 times?!?!
Why’d you block me for?
Oh I forgot, you’re still in the middle of your little tantrum
Exactly
I used to be good with my hatsune miku skin, but now im shit
2 days to vote if you guys are still interested
FINALLY!!!
Great debate!
I’ll vote by tomorrow
Look, if you really want to discuss it do it in some other debate, you can use all your arguments and ideas in there, but this one is already on vote. You made a vote, provided a reason that’s it. There’s no need to keep fighting because your side is losing. Maybe it’s absurd to you, but we don’t care. However we WILL care in your own debate. That’s where I will agree with you.
Sounds fair?
Because I’m tired of countering all your comments.
And the fact that you don’t understand the topic makes me even more tired.
So please. Just move on
The last comment was because you said only Dhaka included the child’s perspective which wasn’t even the main point of the debate but since you kept denying that I had any arguments about the child I had to physically show you one.
And first of all, everything was ok until IamAditaDhaka randomly got mad again and included me in his comment. Then you said in one of your comments that the topic was about the child’s perspective which makes no sense. The topic is about the parents perspective as well, don’t you see?
“ Ok but can we also consider the child themselves. Not all humans have the same way of thinking. Which is exactly why mainstream psychology condemns conversation therapy. The parent’s might not have even disagreed, they might be just a little bit against it, and yet, the child might have a weak state of mind, hence thinking of suicide. I agree that parents could go softer, but fear may turn them onto the wrong direction.”
Here
Happy now?
Morality was decided.
I got the votes.
So why don’t we all just shut up and get on with our lives.
The topic was never about the child, it was about the parents. Obviously Dhaka included child’s perspective to his advantage, whearas I stuck the topic, which was about the parents perspective. I also did include the child in my arguments but obviously you don’t include that for the sake of Dhaka
You just replied.
But not to “shit”. But to actual logic that anyone can reply to.
In the end, it’s just a debate. It’s not gonna change humanity buddy.
😐🤷
Bro what the hell is that last vote
I don’t see the reason to fight you, I thought we already put this at rest?
Why do you keep commenting to me, saying my arguments got”folded like a napkin”.
So I don’t know what your problem is, if you’re mad, sad, jeleous, stressed, but I just don’t see the point to keep continuing this,
Keep blabbering on with your tantrum, but just letting you know it’s over and there’s no reason to keep fighting.
🤷
Calm down baby
Ok I don’t even want to argue with you, I respect your opinion let’s just get this over with.
Ah ok. I think you misunderstood what Im trying to say, Im trying to say that I included religion because it has a big part in topics like homosexuality.
You’re saying I included one religion, which isn’t fair in your opinion, right?
Ok but you see, I didnt just include one religion, when I meant religious parents, I meant many religions that are against homosexuality.
I completely understand how you could be confused, but I hope that you understand now. ^^
You keep saying that religion is “absurd” (how many times have you used this word) and it doesn’t count?
You can clearly see that you just said that religious arguments doesn’t count. That’s pretty bias to me.
And what about it makes it not count, In nowhere of your comments, does it state the reason why religion doesn’t count.
All I see is your angry tantrums about my arguments. I included religion, and I gave con a choice to, because it is one of the biggest ground rules in this type of situations.
And since you didnt quote a single thing in my arguments, I have reason to believe that you dont care about how good my reason is or how hard I tried, you think that my arguments automatically wrong and always will be.
Ok see, I get what you’re trying to say, and I completely understand if you vote for con, he also did a great job, but what Im frustrated about is that you keep telling me my arguments are absurd and disgusting and immoral, but you dont include a single quote FROM my arguments to support your claim, and if you think religion has nothing to do with the topic, or its the only way I could defend myself, then you must not have even read the arguments, hence a bias vote.
Why?
Well I CLEARLY stated in the second round the first half of my whole argument was making rebuttals for con, which you completely ignored singe it was “disgusting” apparently.
If you keep replying to my messages with the fact that my arguments are bad, without any claim, how are we supposed to believe that you’re not bias?
Yeah, well n one else seems to think so, so I don’t know if you’re just confused or you have a unique way of thinking my friend
I am sorry for such a harmful comment.
I understand your view, but I would still like the Mods to have a clear look at it
If you could understand, please respect that since I was one round behind, I had to craft up an argument and also make a counter for my fellow con.
So yes, to you it may seem stupid and absurd, although no one else seems to think so, you can try and include some points of pros argument that you are trying to prove your point,
I even agreed to some of your terms I understood and respected what you felt, and I provided my own opinion, then you argue back and one third of your paragraph doesn’t even make sense.
I can see you’re mad, or maybe this is the way you talk, but instead of acting like a toddler tell me in a clean and straightforward manner, WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS AND HOW YOU WANT TO FIX IT.
I don’t want to be your enemy, sir, nor do you want to be mine, so let’s not diss eachother and understand our different views
And you’re telling me that I’m desperate for votes,
You just made a speech about how rude I am and how dumb I am
Then suddenly an innocent voter votes and you get mad at them?
C’mon man
Please read comment below
Vote: con
Reason: Dhaka called him darling and sweetheart. How nice of him!
The reason for the vote is that trying to prevent or change your child's sexuality is factually ignorant, and also-staying on the topic- not ethical (even questioning if it is ethical is absurd). Unless you invoke religion. Which 21pilots does. Obviously because there is no other way to defend his position (or even attach some ethics to it) except for saying: Because god says so.
His arguments outside religion look like this: Parents have the fear that their child might not survive or that they might lose it all or that they will not be good parents. So it is not selfish that they are torturing a child just to feel good for themselves but it is ethical because they have fear. A very ethical argument in itself!
And Dhaka also calls him honey! Wholesome!
This is UmbrellaCorps vote:
Now from this I feel as if he is trying to say, the whole topic is stupid, I don’t care how good pro tried and there’s nothing he can do except blabber on about religion. So con automatically wins the round because he has more power and space to write.
He didn’t list a single thing about your or my argument, nor did he care about what my argument was trying to tell people, which wasn’t just about religion.
Now from his you can see, with the addition of sarcasm of your sassy way of debating, I could be deeply offended since I put so much time into my arguments.
Thank you for your understanding
Look, I get that it’s frustrating to have your vote or post removed I really do. But let’s not pretend this is about censorship just because people didn’t like what you said. From the outside, it looks more like it was about how you said it.
Calling people “darling” and “honey” might seem like a bit of sass or sarcasm to you, but when you’re debating something as personal and serious as a kid’s identity and their relationship with their parents, that tone can come off as dismissive or even mocking. Whether that was your intent or not, tone matters especially on a platform that’s supposed to promote civil, good-faith debate.
You say your argument had strong moral points. Cool then why not let those points speak for themselves? Sarcasm doesn’t make your logic better. If anything, it just distracts from it.
Also, bringing up people “mocking Indian culture” or “endorsing child abuse” those are huge claims. If that really happened, it should absolutely be called out, but that’s something to report directly, not something to throw in the middle of a totally different point to justify your tone.
No one’s saying you can’t be passionate. But there’s a difference between passion and provocation. Being sharp and being respectful aren’t opposites you can do both at once.
So no, this isn’t about silencing you. It’s just about keeping the debate space respectful for everyone. If your argument is strong, it doesn’t need the extra bite. Let the ideas do the work.
Please just calm down for once and understand my opinions
Oh I see
?????
Please consider it I’m begging you please
You also deleted Shane Roy which is EXACTLY the same as umbrella corps
I can’t believe you deleted Mickey’s vote but not umbrellacorps
This is basically the exact same as Shane.Roy
can we please remove Umbrellacorps vote he doesn’t even care about my arguments
Bro I thought someone was hacking
What does that mean?
Sorry I’m a bit new to that
Great job on your debate!