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@RemyBrown
We consider every human except Jesus and Mary the Theotokos a natural innate sinner.
This means even if sin happens in our church, we approach it from a forgiveness andnrehabilitation perspective because our mission is to help all sinners be saved. That is part of why the coverups ended up.happening since it was feared how severe a backlash would occur and how bad the people would get treated in secular/protestant prisons with few protections against abuse.
It is not defensible, it is however a way of seeing things that did not fully defy Catholicism. We are not taught to instantly snitch necessarily if we think they will be abused severely in prison. We accept we should do it and actively do more now but we doctrinally must prioritise forgiveness and rehabilitation first. We have arguable problems due to that it is true but a faith dedicated to save ALL and seeing ALL as sinners ends up with this grey area.
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@RemyBrown
If you call a Catholic a sexist, then they will deny it while they don't let women become priests.
So, this may count as what you define as sexist. It is sexist oerhaos but not misogynistic at all, I will explain.
We do not believe male and female souls are same. When a male or female human dies, his/her soul is not gender-neutral in our doctrine. Our God has a masculine 'male' nature. Only male souls can do Eucharist for him to come to Earth in body and blood. Only males can fully represent him here.
Does that make sense? Very few Catholic women are fully for female clergy, there is a quiet minority maybe for it.
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@RemyBrown
If you call a Catholic a racist, then they will deny it (as they move away from the Bronx and Brooklyn to get away from the blacks and into the white suburbs).
Catholicism has done more good for all nonwhites worldwide, even inside ofmtheir cuktures saving from within, than all other faiths put together.
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@RemyBrown
Catholics take pride in being a sheep.
Sort of, yes. I know you mean somethingore by sheep than we mean so I say sort of.
They don't like thinking; they let the pope do their ideological thinking and they blindly accept it without question even if the pope contradicts himself or is hypocritical (selling all you have and giving to the poor while sitting on a golden throne for example).
We are not communists and that is an ideal from Jesus himself, to be selfless and love thy neighbour and serve others.
Pope is infallible ex cathedra only, he can ve challenged ogherwise. They do not abuse ex cathedra, we hold it sacred.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Your entire life is decentralised. Your moral compass points to base impulse alone.
Is the dark web not full of those types of forums anyway?
Why start anew what already exists? Go there, do what you think is right. Don't be surprised when the most depraved people ever show up and then amongst them instead is an undercover cop or online vigilante.
Go ahead, enjoy your decentralised fantasy forums.
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To all others, it is highly recommended that you do not follow suit of this abusive troll and instead respectfully stick to the topic of the thread which seems to be who controls the media and some sort of double standard with what racism is counted as.
The topic of the thread is not Nazis nor Hitler. I recommend to all to obey me here. I am a moderator now. Just because Sidewalker is getting away with it for now does not mean you need to follow suit.
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@whiteflame
You are right and wrong at the same time imo. You should just say shut up, obey or leave. Make it that simple on matters like this.
We do not need bestiality advocaters and holocaust apologists. The fact people think we need them for the site to have any activity is because their activity drives away most decent users.
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@Sidewalker
How about the Catholic Church, considering the central role the Catholic Church played in making the Holocaust possible, is it fair to say the Catholic Church also should not be mentioned in a debate about Jews owning the media?
Search catholic vs prot vote split. Then search Cathlic Churchs relationship with the leaders in that entire time.
You are sla dering a faith with literal falsehood rn.
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@Sidewalker
Soon the rules here will shift and you will be dealt with for this open violation and disrespect. I have already told the others mods this is their issue to take over now.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Do you agree I am not making excuses, I am being openly Authoritarian?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
@Savant
I am a strict Catholic well okay maybe I am not strict I am moderate and Catholicism is strict.
I am not going to ban non-violence-inciting non-abuse-oriented arguments against homosexuality on a site like this.
SL has decided we see 'eye to eye' but I do not really think we ever did when it comes to moderating. My duty rn this moment is not to argue with SL.
I am not on some censorship rampage. Censorship is a healthy part of a system that protects a site for 13+ users to feel fully safe using. Unless you want to make the website 18+ and ask for IDs we need to be very smart and responsible here.
I am not here to abuse my power. I am here to use it for the will of justice, morality, peace and love; that means God's will.
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@yachilviveyachali
The term is denomination but since the denoms differ more than Cath or EO Rites do, it doesnt suit to equate the 2.
Protestant are sort of the Sect of the Sectless if you get the concept. They have denominatioms rather than Sects because for instance Reformed vs Lutheran vs non-reformed Baptist is already a significant 3 way divide and that ignores non reformed Anglican, Methodists (who are not sure if they are Calvinist/Reformed or against it)
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Morality does not all stem from reasoning, sometimes evil is just evil and good is just good. I am being intellectually honest, most philosophy geeks that do those mindgames are lying.
Logic alone in morality always will lead one to Satan. Impulse alone in morality will do the same.
You need to use both mind and 'heart' (the combination ends up being how we get in tune with our soul's calling and God).
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@Lemming
Sounds vague to me.At minimum a warning, means there is a spectrum,Possible one can 'stay in the warning spectrum, and never 'get a ban.
Correct. Past offences, severity of the Holocaust apologetics, frequency all factoe in.
Denying the Holocaust happened will depend. I understand people want a right to conspiracy theories but this site then needs to.be made illegal in Europe and I probably then lose access.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I will tell you my rulebook. This is not a joke. Please observe Bible and Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Thank you.
And no I am not going to stone anyone Old Testament style, obviously.
That is my rulebook in life; site or no site.
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@Sidewalker
Hitler and Nazis can be used in debate about them. They should not appear in a debate about Jews owning the media.
There is a blatant reason why both sides of this debate should not begin to go into Nazi topic.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I am telling you. It is the way now. Shila's ban is proof.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Agreeing with Holocaust apologetics is bannable. At minimum warnable. Let us steer clear of that topic.
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@yachilviveyachali
For a select few only. We think he predestined Mary, probably Paul and Peter and some others. Very very few.
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@TheGreatSunGod
I will try to fix that. Give it time.
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@yachilviveyachali
Because right now ~5/6 visitors look at this, see the censored FC or Best Korea stuff you cannot even see anymore a lot of as immediately, go 'no thanks' and quit.
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@yachilviveyachali
So are righteous anger (component of virtue) and zeal.
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@yachilviveyachali
I believe we should be able to talk about the Holocaust. Her comments were neither stupid nor uneducated. She isn't Dan Bilzerian.
If you repeat her comments and agree with them, there will be consequences that start with posting privileges removed for some time, I presume. We are not discussing what she posted anymore ty.
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@yachilviveyachali
I didn't want this to be very dramatic, to be fair. Drama has a way of finding me.
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@yachilviveyachali
Shila didn't talk about raping, killing, pushing strollers into traffic, stomping on babies, and other really delightful things.
She said similar but aimed specifically at Jews and the Holocaust.
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@Sidewalker
You are warned. If you do again I ask other mods to handle.
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@yachilviveyachali
God does predestine, but he does not damn to Hell without granting the chance of salvation through Christ
Impossible. Predestining all means he would predestine all that go to Hell.
Calvinism is beyond heresy btw, it is blasphemy to us.
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@yachilviveyachali
What do you mean only 2? What about all the others? Don't they have any free will?
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@TheGreatSunGod
I prayed what time?
All please pray for Michael as in the owener of this site, not St.
And then?
And still you doubt. The arrogance.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Insane asylum and circus show is what this site has been for far too long.
The Lord is with me. I am his servant. He shall bring all to their knees. We shall be saved. Have faith.
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@Savant
Yeah but we must own up to it beinh Cath schools. I have a feeling that is how other religions in the West avoided accusation as very few have faith run schools. In Middle East etc abuse gets covered up so severely we would never know.
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@RemyBrown
There is no way to defend the issue of covered up abuse. I can however tell you Protestant or Muslim abuse is severely underreported in terms of mainstream media.
Of the rest which do you want addressed first?
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@Sir.Lancelot
I like his claim. It is true and it is not bad. I do not deny Ilikepie's claim.
I think you will be surprised what will happen.
Give it a couple weeks. We will be caring and empathetic, arguing with reason.
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All please pray for Michael as in the owener of this site, not St.
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@RemyBrown
You listened, I thanked you. We move on.
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Anyone disobeying the command not to mention Hitler or Nazis for this thread will get formally warned.
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@RemyBrown
I am speaking as a moderator here (check announcements)
ALL READ CAREFULLY BEFORE REPLYING.
The conversation can continue if you give evidence to the claim that group-X runs the media and not 1 more mention of Hitler or Nazis in this thread. Also do not degrade Germans.
Have you understood, Remy?
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@TheGreatSunGod
I will DM you to try and help you gain confidence to go to Church at a less busy time.
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@yachilviveyachali
They are not official RCC saints but eastern rites tend to say they are.
We believe they got redeemed over time. Remember Adam is said to live to over 900, that is a huge amount of time to get redeemed. We do not definitely canonise them as saints how Eastern Orthodox do.
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@yachilviveyachali
God does not damn anyone to Hell, unless there is “a willful turning away from God” and “persistence in it until the end.”
Does he randomise their soul and brain partly or predestine all of it?
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@yachilviveyachali
Remybrown is regularly, Wylted too.
Shila was a blatant case.
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@yachilviveyachali
If God cannot generate randomness, how does he also not predestine sin?
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@TheGreatSunGod
Even if you went, while good works matter not faith alone, your faith rn is all over the place.
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@TheGreatSunGod
I am telling you it doesn't count how you are doing it when you then betray God for Shiva etc. I am not dragging that into this thread but you and I are not both living out Catholicism.
I am trying to. You are doing some hybrid thing where you do Rosary but not anything else amd pray even to Shiva on top...
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@zedvictor4
To be fair at this exact moment I am unsure if I actually am defined as the level of mod David says in the first post.
It seems David wanted me faster than others. That is fine. Honestly he announced it fast too and I respect his eagerness. I shall accept the pace I am permitted. I have not been allowed into the mod chat yet, only a development chat for the new site.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
We largely need a new userbase and most of those members wont stand for what the few troublemakers here are largely doing. It is the consistent toxicity and over the top hate speech. We even had FC basically doing gore raps. We must clean all of it up.
Idk if I even am a mod yet. I will keep private matters private but let me tell you I am only in the development chat for the new site, not the mod one.
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