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I support a total moratorium on all immigration outside of around 100,000 a year for highly specialized scientists/engineers/whatever so no argument here. But what about the people already here? Non hispanic whites are only around 50% of the births in this country--demographic change in the US is a fait accompli. If you care about the fate of white people (or just people in general) we're going to have to find a way to make this work or it's just going to continue to escalate into outright violence. And again, there have been multiethnic societies of the past that have done well, and they did it by having all sorts of mechanisms to minimize conflict. As an example, lowering the stakes of national politics by devolving political power to the states would help a LOT imo. 

When it comes to millennial whites in particular you have to wonder how much of that racial identification isn't in the sense you want, but in the sense of "I recognize my privilege as a white person." 

But yeah I don't disagree with you that many people vote based on their identity, which itself is heavily influenced by race. In a society where all 320 million Americans of different races have to have almost all of their rules decided by one federal government that is a massive problem. In a better version of America where a man who is proud to be black and only wants to interact with black people is allowed to live in a black neighborhood, send his kids to a black school, and be have most of his rules set by black leaders---who DONT set rules for whitey---this would be much less of a problem. 

Yeah, I saw in Ryan Faulk’s video and a couple of books written by philosophers that intelligence researchers think that genes do play a role in the black/white IQ gap. This suggests that, as you pointed out, the claim that race differences in intelligence are 100% environmental is completely rejected by scientists working in the relevant fields.

What books have you read on white nationalism in general? I finished reading Paved with Good Intentions by Jared Taylor a couple of weeks ago. Currently, I’m reading Michael Levin’s book Race Matters, and plan to read more books on this subject. If there is any information you’d recommend that I check out, let me know!

I often look at threads like this and sigh.

Before claiming one race is smarter than another, why don't we start with definitions:

What is the definition of intelligence?

What is the delineation of a race? 

What is the definition of the environment? 

Only when all of these are answered can this oh so strange discussion be had. 

This selective pressure would've been tiny and for an insignificant amount of time. Firstly, most executions would've occurred in urban areas, Most people were farmers. Secondly, the amount of people actually killed divided by the whole population is minuscule. Third, the killing would've have to have occurred before they had children. People tended to have children a lot younger then. Fourthly, poorer people are much more likely to commit murder than rich ones, so the expression of killing might be repressed, but the tendency might've been repressed by money. So all the rich Englishpeople could've had a tendency to kill but never a reason to express it. We would have very few warlike people if this line of reasoning held up since they tend to go and die in battle. But that doesn't seem to be the case at all.

Most of your lines of reasoning are this bad.  

Let's assume those numbers are true (which is highly suspect)

how would that have anything to do with intelligence.

That will be the latter. He's [Yassine] good at conflating,exaggeration and lying. He's even pretty good at contextualising today's Christianity and the 'actions' of Christians with today's Islamic jihad. He will, somewhere, bring up the "crusades" as he and the keith prossers of the world always do.

But they always  leave out the part where the crusades were in direct response to 400 YEARS!!!! of  muslim invasion of the Holy Land, europe, and the Indian subcontinent butchering and converting by the sword as they went..  Yassine will no doubt bring into the mix the British Empire and overseas "invasions" by the USA whilst leaving out that there had been three rather large Muslim Empires stretching across the globe and hundreds of years before there was ever a  Great Britain,British Empire or a USA. The last Muslim Empire only came to an end in the early 1940'. and there had been no "invasions" anywhere by the USA until the muslim attack of 9/11.

Another favourite of the Yassin's and the keithprossers of the world is to blame the "West's foreign policy", while conveniently forgetting the intervention in Kosovo where the west  saved the lives of countless Muslims from Serbian ethnic cleansing. I can still see those lines of hundreds of thousands of muslims heading for the west where most have settled. I can still see the aid being air dropped down to these hundreds of thousands of these poor muslim refugees, from countries around the world including ISRAEL,  but the yassines and prossers won't go there because  to acknowledge such complexity - and the amount of charity given by the west - would be far too problematic.

There is no mention of the first Gulf War where, at the distressing pleas for assistance and thanks to US-led intervention, Kuwaiti MUSLIMS were spared the horrors of a protracted Iraqi occupation thanks to the sacrifice British and American lives.

In other words according to muslims such Yassine and apologist  like keithprosser, it will always be someone else's fault.

I'm glad this issue is being discussed. I've been thinking about this topic off and on for seven months now. This is a huge and complex topic, and neither the hereditarian or environmentalist view on race and IQ is obvious to me.

Arriving at answers on these questions is extremely important. If the race realist view is true, for example, then this does suggest politicians in the U.S. should restrict immigration to high IQ nations such as Japan or South Korea. As Nathan Cofnas pointed out to me in an email exchange, Garett Jones's book, Have Mind, shows that the economic prospects of a nation are closely tied to its average IQ. This is because higher-IQ societies tend to function better for a variety of reasons. One important factor is that people with high IQs make better voters: they support better policies and are better at holding their leaders accountable, which reduces corruption. If race realism is true, then it's plausible that, at least for the foreseeable future, immigration policies that reduce the average IQ of the US will tend to have a negative effect on economic development and corruption.

I suppose that IQ and race could be correlated. However, I am confused as to what US lawmakers. or in fact, anyone is supposed to do with that information. Creating a caste system by which only certain races can take certain jobs seems ridiculous. Obviously, not all black, white, or Asian people have IQs which are average for their race. If you don't believe me, listen to Jimi Hendrix and tell me with a straight face that the man was not a musical genius.

First, the science on the correlation between brain size and intelligence is far from concrete. The Scientific American explains that when volunteers undergo MRI scans on their brains, researchers typically find a weak correlation between brain size and intelligence. Brain size only accounts for about 9-16% of variability in general intelligence according to the article (1). The article also explains neanderthal brains are actually bigger than the brains of the modern day human. Despite this difference in brain size, the modern day human is accomplishing more in the realms of technology and medicine than ever before. 

A large portion of the evidence provided in the article you cited came from Rushton's studies, some of which are littered with major logistical issues. Specifically, his 1995 study, in which he suggested that Mongoloid brains were bigger than Caucasian brains, which, in turn, were bigger than African-American brains. In the study, Rushton controlled for body size when making the measurements. Michael Peters of the University of Guelph cites 3 separate studies which show that body parameters are independent of brain size. Also, he shows that when not accounting for body size, whites have larger brains than Asians (2). Rushton acknowledged that Asian children had higher IQ scores than other races (3). Unless these IQ differences are somehow eliminated by adulthood, there emerges a major contradiction. If Asians have less brain mass, then how could they be smarter if brain size determines intelligence? 

Second, there is a large potential for bias in the work done by many of the researchers cited...

Third, and most importantly, the conclusion drawn does not seem to have much support. Even if there are physical differences between races, why would that necessarily stop people from reaching success? Great strides have been made to further the rights of blacks, and many have been able to become doctors, lawyers, politicians etc. Intelligence, which you seem to suggest is lacking in blacks, is determined through more than genetics. The U.S. National Library of Medicine suggests that nutrition, education, and home environment all affect IQ (6). Given the persistent gap between white and black earnings, perhaps some of these observed differences on IQ scores are to be expected (7). Poor households are ones that cannot afford tutoring, medicine, or healthy food. 

In isolation, nationalism is going to be the default of any group. But I disagree with you that if we, for example, shut off all television and movies for five years, that most whites would become white nationalists. In a 95% white country, maybe. But not in a 60% white country. The thought of kicking out and/or murdering 40% of the population is way over the line for 99% of white people. How would the US even become white nationalist if all of the whites wanted it? 

It's not the way forward. The way forward for whites (and everyone else) is to find a way to make this society work, and that would result in many overwhelmingly white communities that are allowed to exist unmolested because that's how most whites want to live. Same thing with most other ethnic groups. And people who want to live in multicultural spaces should be allowed to 

Whites are just too diverse of a group to think this way, imo. In 2016 middle aged, non-college educated whites DID vote as a block and enough of these people flipping from Obama to Trump is what won him the election. However you had other groups of whites swing left...and Spacetime is right that the primary cause of political instability in the US is conflict between whites. Frankly you're missing the key point here, which is that it is very difficult to convince a majority population to vote as a block. Why? Because most of the zero sum gains/losses of politics come from others within their own racial group. You can promise to give blacks (11% of the population) something at the expense of whites (~65% of the population), but giving something to, for example, non college educated whites without it coming at least partially from college educated whites would be impossible. It's just numbers.

Whites do vote as a block sometimes...when they are a minority. There are congressional districts in Texas where whites are in deep minority status that are kept red because those whites vote as a block and the hispanic majority doesn't (heres an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas%27s_23rd_congressional_district) 

Minorities vote as ethnic blocks, majorities don't.

What if fellow whites are a big part of your out group? How do you convince those people to vote with you in a block? 

On what basis do you continue to assert that? Neither of the two largest racial groups in the U.S. (whites and latinos) demonstrate any consistent sense of solidarity in their voting patterns. The evidence simply doesn't support the narrative that racial in-group bias reigns supreme.

I've read about that, wasn't really about criticizing Islam. & frankly, this never really about criticism, it's about hate, the kind no other group in the Western world remotely receives. If you express a speck of that about Jews or Blacks or gays... the least of it you're gunna lose your job. Tommy Robinson is not a good person, not because he is White you should stand by him. Not because I'm Muslim I would stand with any Muslim, for I should stand with the justice & virtue I believe in regardless of any Muslim. 

Wut??? This is patently false. The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Daily Express.... In the US, the scene is lushly fertile. 

This I don't disagree with. I've witnessed it first hand. In France, the French can't talk about two things, religion & Jews. If you ask then about religion, they say 'it's a private matter', unless it's about Islam, then 'that's a backward religion'. If you ask them about Jews, they panic & start lauding & move on.

How?! The overwhelming majority in the media & academia are White. Something is missing in communication between us here. Sure, the SJWs -who are mostly White- attack some Whites for things they said or done (& would attack Muslims even more so if they said or done those things). But as I understand it -clear as day- it's not anti-White, it's more progressive White anti conservative White, who usually -& ironically- attack them for not accepting others -regardless of justification. This is like me complaining about the demonization of Muslims in Turkey by other Muslims for not accepting other peoples. imagine Muslims in Turkey inciting against Christians in Turkey, & other Muslims are attacking them for it, would you call that Islamophobia? This doesn't make sense to me. One thing I do see though, it's the stigmatism -in the liberal media & academia- associated with the White heterosexual religious male as a symbol of patriarchy. But this view is invented & maintained by Whites themselves, since postmodernism started in the 70s.

Would you be OK if those groups were almost all Black? Would that be called anti-Black?

I don't disagree, but the KKK succeeded in highjacking the 'White pride' label & tainted it, the same way ISIS succeeded in highjacking 'Islamic state' & 'Sharia' & 'Jihad' labels. If a Muslim attempts to publicly celebrate Sharia (which is non other than Islamic worship & ethics) they'll be associated with ISIS. Who knows, maybe this will change. Hoping it will. Why don't you do something about it? Why don't you promote White pride in its ideals & core traditions?

White nations is not a good descriptor, maybe European nations to depict geography, or French, German, Spanish, British, Italian... nations. & yes, the Western nations is how those nations are referred to, the same way nations of the Middle East, or Far East... are referred to.

In the first case I was referring to the White-Muslim narrative (colonialism & invasions & such), in the second I was referring to the White-Black narrative (slavery & racism & such).

No, it should've bombed whole countries full of innocent people who had nothing to do with it -solely because they were weaker. Really?! From such a mindset, it's very difficult to morally defend your position.

I know it's not a fact, for such criticism -or rather hate- is overwhelmingly abundant. The amount of hate against Islam & Muslims out there is unimaginable. Thankfully, most don't care.

Well, you see, we have fundamentally different understanding of what 'slave' is. Western style slavery was never a thing in Islam, to even end it. A slave in Islam is someone in a contractual or non-contractual (Qin, Mudabbar, Um Walad, Mawla) patronage with his master, in which the latter is legally responsible for the maintenance & protection of the former, while the former is responsible for his service to the latter in that which benefits him but does not harm himself ; anything beyond that is no business of the master. A contractual patronage can be in the form of Mukharaja (the slave contracts his master or another employer for a wage against a service) ; or Mukatada (the slave contracts the master over working to buy back his freedom). Non-contractual patronage comes in many forms too...etc. To illustrate the difference, slaves made up two of the 4 ruling factions of the Ottoman empire, the military (Janissaries) & the harem (eunuchs & concubines). Slaves in the Ottoman empire were generals & commanders & officers. Even further, many Muslim dynasties who founded states were slaves, such as the Mamluk dynasty of India or the Mamalik Sultanate in the Middle East. So, we don't really share the same concept of 'slave'.

How are Whites not allowed to form groups, that's a constitutional right?!!! 

How do you change that?

Racism: 'prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior'. It may have been used loosely & abusively in a lot of circles, but it does have a meaning. Sometimes somethings are definitely racist.

A lot of White people are Muslim... That said, there is indeed such a thing as 'Islamophobia', when Muslims are demonized or harmed... It's not quite criticism of Islam, it's more like hate. What do you mean political immunity? Immunity from whom & for what? Do Muslims enjoy such political immunity? Can Muslims call for violence against White people? Can Muslims publicly incite hate against White people? Whites run 95% of the show, Muslims (or any other minority -except Jews) are at their mercy, if not for Whites themselves. Every mosque in France is constantly monitored, every imam is chosen by the municipality, 90% of sermons they give are about how to be good to the French & a good citizen. If the imam attempts to incite Muslims against the French or says a whiff about Jews, he will definitely see himself inside a cell the next morning.

Well... it's about to get stricter.

My point was, if you have grievances & feel treated unfairly, that should help you understand others more, not dismiss & denigrate them. Injustice feels just as bad for everyone. Don't do unto others what you accuse others of doing unto you. 

Israel is an occupying force. Pakistan (& India) comprise numerous different peoples, Pashtu, Sindh, Penjab...etc. The conflict is a political one born out of post-colonialism (like many other conflicts around the world), not an ethnic one. Plenty other places with peace too. But seriously, imagine in Australia having 'Native' communities in their own territories with their own rulers & rules & laws & systems, 'White' communities, 'Indian' communities, 'Chinese' communities, 'Muslim' communities,,, & so forth, accordingly ; all under one flag, one nation, with an overarching government (Australia is a federation already) with representatives from all communities, everybody is happy. What do you think?

What do you mean exactly they don't integrate? & what do you mean by 'push for Sharia'? Muslims comprised at one point or another 1/4th European population for over a millennia, before they were all literally purged out of it by death or expulsion. I don't know if history is gunna repeat itself, but "belong" is a matter of perspective. There aren't that many Muslims in the EU (2-4%), even if they breed like rabbits it'll take decades & decades to even get to 10%, which is an average number in terms of immigrant population in the world. That said, Muslims in Europe are, for the most part, citizens who grew up in Europe, so for all intents & purposes they do belong in Europe, the same way you belong in Australia, because you were born there. Had you been born in Turkey, you'd be a Turkish citizen as well.

Slanderous terms? Alright, but invasion involves force & armies & weapons & occupation...etc. It should be something like if Indonesia decided to expand down-under & came & bombed the sh*t out of beautiful Sydney, & threw the country in complete chaos. This is quite different from non-Whites born & living there. I would understand if new settles start to take over the natives, to dominate or displace them, to the point where they actually feel invaded, like what happened with the Palestinians & the Jews. But this is faaaar from being the case.

On the contrary, my plight is simple: injustice is not a monopoly. White people have problems, so do other peoples, a fact which our terrorist gunmen failed to appreciate, but I'm hoping you will. Had he realized that, he would not have committed what he did. What would you characterize as the biggest problems facing White people? What do you think about Colonialism? How do you envision the future of Muslims in Europe & Australia? Would you befriend or marry a Muslim? What is it you're most proud of from your heritage?

Holy shiz! This is a known fact, but DAYUMN! Even Fox News still manages to be the most pro-Israel among the bunch. WT*!!! Who knows, the people running the show here might also be Jewish, like in DDO.

Exactly! "Whiteophobia" in a White country by who?! Other White people? SJWs who are also mostly White supposedly "attacking" other Whites? There is no "Whiteophobia" or "Blackphobia", because that's called Racism. I'm talking about deaths & bombs & invasions, & you're talking about SJWs?! What you characterize as demonization of White people is none other than White people not agreeing with your position, which is ironically demonizing other peoples... This is why I say it's not worth discussing. This is like me complaining about Islamophobia in Turkey when other Muslims don't agree with me.

I don't really get it. Why don't you explain it to me then. [...]  If Whites truly care about their heritage, they should revive it, & celebrate it in its full glory. Shouting "White pride" isn't it. The Chivalry, the Mores, the poetry, the faith, the Honor, the faithfulness. God...

I never said either things. First, the narrative West vs. Muslims in the context in which it is brought up (invasion & oppression) is evidently not "racially hateful" - this feeling shared not only by Muslims in all their nations, but by virtually all peoples of the World, from China to South Africa. For a reason. Second, West =/= White people. When I say West I evidently mean the geopolitical entity, not the people themselves, who come from all walks of life, from saints to villains. Third, when invasions & bombs & the deaths of millions are involved, it is decidedly not "racially hateful". The West has indeed inflicted a lot of suffering to a lot of peoples -& also spread a lot of good, you may not like it, but it is what it is. All feelings are fleeting, but the feeling of bearing injustice. If you can not bear injustice done to your people, how do you expect others to bear injustice done to them by your people (an even greater injustice). So, what are you gunna do?

Exactly! Which caused the death of many Muslims too, & America retaliated by bombing whole countries full of innocent people who had nothing to do with it. Not that this is any relevant to the point you were making.

LOL! I don't know about the story, but man, you're starting to sound like Stephen. Damn! That is clearly a false claim, & it's decidedly not the case in any European country. A good chunk of content on this very Forum is criticizing Islam, & in copious abundance in countless news outlets & all social media & mainstream media, some can't even shut up about it. That's a fact. On the other hand, many Muslims have been arrested in Europe for inciting violence or criticizing Jews... I don't know why a government official who's supposed to represent the people should get away with it over & over & over.

Even if it's true on a theoretical level that race is the most important component of personal identity, that doesn't necessarily tell us anything about the prevalence of interracial conflict in the real world. The fact is that there really isn't that much interracial conflict happening in the United States. There is substantial political division within every racial group in America (except for blacks), and the political division among whites actually serves as the country's primary source of social instability: https://www.axios.com/political-polarization-whites-america-left-right-e2d8ba14-535f-4439-84f6-3ff60324beee.html

Peaks for older adolescents, & thus adults. High heritability doesn't necessary imply "genetic expression". Regardless, no one is denying the Black-White IQ gap... For the US I seen estimates ranging from 0.7 to 1.1 SD, which is 10 to 17 IQ points. According to the study I cited previously, this gap is expected to shrink in the coming decades to 6.5 IQ points, roughly equivalent to the Black-White gap in the UK today (<0.5 SD).

Indeed, but as you probably already know, the Flynn effect is much more marked in low-scoring groups (up to 5 points/decade), reason why the gap Black-White has been shrinking. I know who cited the 80% figure (Jenson), but that is discarded by the scientific community & has long been disproved. It has been proven in so many ways that environmental factors decidedly explain more than half the gap, once accounted for socioeconomic factors. It's probably more 80-20.

This doesn't answer my question, is an outstanding number of neurologists essential for society? The UK has 30 times less neurologists than the US, it's doing just fine [https://www.eaneurology.org/fileadmin/_migrated/content_uploads/Neurology_residency_training_in_Europe_02.pdf]. Greece has roughly the same average IQ as Black Americans, it's not doing too bad either. 

This is not a debate, it's a discussion. I'm not gunna bother looking for citations unless I'm doubtful about the information. Plus, you don't cite your sources either -images & videos are not citations... ;-) But if you really insist, I shall oblige. I never make stuff up.

"Race is by far the most important thing in politics"

It's difficult to empirically demonstrate the paramount importance of culture because there's no way to explicitly define and categorize cultural groups.

https://news.stanford.edu/2017/08/31/political-party-identities-stronger-race-religion/

All true. Here in the Uk there have been "record numbers" of Muslim MP voted in around the country. This of course is because muslims simply want to be represented by 'one of their own'. This is something prosser will refuse recognise even with the figures shoved up his snooty jumped up self righteous snoz.

Is this sarcastic?

Much the same as protestants and catholics throughut European history, I expect.

People divide themselves into factions - it is one of our species' less endearing qualities.   If we don't don't fight over the name if our gods we fight over 'nation', or the football team we support.  You give me the impression you think tribalism - by whatever name - is something to be proud of.  I don't.  I think it's dumb. 

It's dumb because, well, for one thing colour or nation would seem to put us on he same side, yet we have absolutely nothing in common! Where's the logic that would say we have common interests just because we both sunburn easily?

I'm not on your side, but that doesn't put me on the other side.  I am your enemy because I think you are a hater,  i don't like haters which ever side they claim to love or hate.   You are not all that different from a Jihadist, and I am not not all that differnt from 99% of muslims.

Discussing race and the various differences we see in humans due to it is definitely a sensitive topic and one where it's very easy to take it to extremes, as we've seen in the past and currently(Nazi Germany, KKK, Neo-Nazis, etc). The differences that divide us do not warrant the sentiments that define these groups/movements of intolerance, slavery, and genocide. In my opinion, to make this topic much more approachable, one should look at dogs to make sense of what variance within a subspecies can look like. We all acknowledge that some breeds are smarter than others, that some have better and worse attributes, and that some are predisposed to health issues while others are not. Some are clearly superior and inferior to each other, depending on what you are using to compare them. 

With dogs such as pit bulls, it's completely fair to say that they are predisposed to aggression, courtesy of their genetic makeup and its effects on brain development, which can have negative outcomes. Couple that with the fact that many pit bulls come from less than ideal situations(dog fighting, abuse, etc), it's understandable that a lot of them will lash out, thus creating a negative stigma around them, which people use to issue bans on 

pitbulls and say that they should be euthanized. There are plenty of parallels to be made in recent human history when people obsess a little too much about what makes us different instead of trying to bridge differences. Proper training goes a long way in remedying a pit bull's issues, and the sentiments surrounding them would be improved if people were willing to invest the time and effort to raising the dog properly.

If we were to look at health issues, we could draw a comparison to our situation where we have Neanderthal DNA(and the health implications it entails) to what dogs inherit due to their breed. German Shepherds are inclined to experience hip problems due to their lineage just as some of us are inclined to experience allergies due to inheriting Neanderthal DNA.

While brain size may differ and may be a manifestation of race/differences between us(I would like something other than 'alternative hypothesis' as a source), I believe that is generally a poor indicator of a race's intelligence. A chihuahua has the highest brain to body ratio of any dog, yet there are many breeds that outshine it when it comes to trainability, learning commands, etc. https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/pets/g4748/top-smartest-dog-breeds/ 

If we were to look at human brain size directly, males generally have a larger brain to body ratio than females. Despite this, men have shown to have a lot more variance with their IQ, which means you'll have a lot more men deviating from the average in both directions. The result is that, sure, more men may have higher IQ's than women, but you'll also have a lot more men that are idiots despite having a larger brain on average. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/study-finds-some-significant-differences-brains-men-and-women

Differences between us have inspired a lot of evil in our past. Some people literally make up silly metrics to divide us. It's understandable that a lot of people would not want to talk about us as inequals based on our race. However, it's important to acknowledge our differences and work to remedy them. In acknowledging them, it is also important not to take a wrong turn and demonize people or say that they have less of a right to live or that they are destined to live in poverty due to their race.

What other avenue would he have had if he was being censored? I didn't read the manifesto so i have no clue, actually pretty ignorant to this whole ordeal bc i simply don't care anymore. But you and Resurgent do have a point in pushing people underground is not a good idea. 

I would argue... since i don't know him i'm going to speculate. If he wasn't someone, if he didn't have that narcissistic drive, etc... that's people that get into power mostly. The way he did it was the most brilliant way to get his message across. It's sad really... the world knows how to trigger our media and get attention. They are very predictable. And look, now they want to ban 'military style weapons.' Like that will save them or anyone for that matter... push a dog into the corner, it will bite... i've been saying that ever since the censoring began. 

In the West they don't yes. They worked in a lot of other places pretty well, such as in the Middle East, or the Indian subcontinent. If each community is left with its own territory & laws & religion & customs, where is the harm? Of course there is a chance that tension may arise, but that happens regardless.

I don't think you actually read the stuff, areas described as no-go zones by people who've never been there. Funny! The others are not in Europe.

I've read so much literature on this, it's cute. You might wanna read up more on this subject, probably from non-bias sources. There were indeed some good masters, but that wasn't the norm.

If you know exactly nothing about history then yes. On the contrary Cassie, Whites were some of the most brutal & racist slavers history has ever seen. Slaves in the Islamic world & in Asia had far better conditions. But let me get this straight, you want Africans to thank you for being so kind to them for not enslaving them anymore...? Put yourself in their place & tell me with a straight face that this is a sensible thing to expect.

Why are you turning on me now! What did I ever do to you... Jokes aside, it seems to me these problems are not White problems, but a White-fringe problems. Because the problems we been hearing from Whites these years, & still do, somehow always boil down to genitals.

Indeed, regardless of narrative, it's still all western media.

Well, you see, it's quite the opposite. It's not even worth discussing. When were White people demonized as a whole??

Indeed, one ends with bombing & invasions, the other ends in banning & censorship. Nuff said.

No it isn't. There are immigrants all over the world. There are more Muslim immigrants in just the MINA region than in all of Europe. 10 of the top 20 net migration countries are Muslim countries, as opposed to just 6 Western countries [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate#World_Bank_]. In the Gulf states, immigrants make up up to 90% the population. I live in Turkey now, immigrants make up 1/10th the population. Invasion is invasion, immigration is not invasion. That's sensationalism.

On the contrary, I understand more than you think. I understand what it is like to feel disenfranchised & humiliated & helpless, & witnessing Muslims perpetrating terrorist attacks letting their rage out. Something must've driven them to such extremes that they could not contain themselves. I'm not deflecting anything, but you are dismissing the grievances of others in the favor of yours ...

Yes, angry men are not real men. Real men are big humans, with big minds, & big hearts. The world is greater than any of us, & the universe is much greater, & God is infinitely greater. That Muslim terrorist who murdered a bunch of people crying "this is for Syrians" is a baby too. You are too caught up in this Whiteness, it's understandably confusing you. I'm saying this because I know you are a reasonable & mindful person. Let me ask you, how would you (or your compatriots) feel if your country was invaded (in the real sense) & your wealth plundered (in the real sense) & your fellow countrymen killed while others displaced...? How would you feel if your people were enslaved for centuries & persecuted & oppressed & denigrated...? You get my point. If you feel like your people have been unjustly treated, others may feel just the same way. If you have grievances, others may have as well. If you've been made into a leader of your people, would you turn to justice or vengeance? Justice.

Ethnonationalism is dumb.

Cultural differences are infinitely more relevant than racial/ethnic differences.

I never said that. I have a much higher IQ than 135, & it tangibly shows. This does not mean an 81-IQ is incapacitating. According to you, 40% (or 50%) of Black Americans -& by extension 15% of White Americans- are intellectually impotent ; considering their population, this means there are many more such White individuals than Black individuals. Do you still believe that?

Then over half White Americans back then (& 1 in 6 Whites today) were (are) below borderline intellectual functioning.

In-group loyalty isn't exclusive to racial identity, it may also extend to religious, ethnic, sectarian, class, national, sexual or political...identity. If you care about your racial identity, it doesn't mean everybody among your race does.

You have it backwards, Miss Cassie. It seems to me you lost a bunch of IQ points just by exposing yourself to so much of this narrative. Where is the vivacious Zarroette? What do you seek to accomplish now? Black Americans are back to Africa & Hispanic Americans are back to Latin America, then what?

Every container exudes what it contains. White people are human beings, all human beings are dignified unless otherwise denigrate themselves.

Miss Cassie, attacking me does not make the solution any less false. You don't have to insult me when the truth does not suit you, especially since I did not even bother to dispute the results -but the method. It is known that the average net-wealth of a White household is ten times that of a Black household, & that the US was running a $500B deficit in 2014, which amounts to about -$1.6K per capita. Without any further calculation, it is simply expected that such deficit be reflected on the fiscal impact, more so in some groups (Blacks) than others (Whites) -& even more so in lower classes vs. upper classes. [+ the next paragraph response you write]

I mentioned no such thing. Spending =/= wasting. The US is not just rich enough to afford lower tax rates, it also enjoys being the owner of USD, the reserve currency of the world, which allows it to run a +trillion $ deficit without breaking a sweat, an impossible feat for any other country, In fact, the US is one of the few countries in the world without VAT (value added tax).

Not struggling, just not as rich & don't own USD. The only countries in Europe with a barely higher GDP/capita are Norway, Ireland & Switzerland. The average GDP/capita in the EU is $38K, which makes the US's GDP/capita 65% higher...

Not necessarily. The US spends per capita on healthcare alone twice as much as the most advanced European economies -like France or the UK or Germany. The US's per capita expenditure is higher than France's, despite total expenditure making up only 30% US GDP as opposed to almost half France's GDP.

It also makes you think how Germany has roughly the same numbers of Muslims yet boosts the highest surplus in the world... But you did not just reference a Youtube video to prove a point???  -_-  -_-  -_- 

What argument?

Assuming it is indeed 85 (I've seen lower estimates & higher up to 91), it is still more than the average White American IQ decades ago (80), thanks to the Flynn effect. Plus, there is plenty Black neurologist if that's what you're worried about, & Asian neurologists are wildly overrepresented. Then what? Is less than an outstanding number of neurologists perilous to society? 

I've seen studies regarding regressive trends in White population IQ in some European countries the past 2 decades (reverse Flynn effect). But you know the gap White-Black & White-Hispanic has been shrinking for a while, & according to some studies is projected to shrink even more [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4603674/]. 

The same way the White & Asian population aren't, indeed. Point?

In today's America, indeed. This wasn't always the case in the West. Class is much more meaningful though. But then what?

The same way Blacks & Hispanics serve the US's economy. Blacks have a higher income on average than people in New Zealand, Spain, Italy, South Korea... & in most European countries...

I heard this claim many times before, never any proof yet, it isn't quite IQ is it! First, even assuming everything there is true, the AFQT 10th-percentile relates to those enlisted in the first place, who are generally not among the best & brightest, for these tend to look for better prospects than the military. Second, Blacks are overrepresented in the armed forces, especially in the army, as opposed to Whites (there are almost as many female Black soldiers as White soldiers in the army). Assuming this reflects the corresponding distribution, 85 (or 91) average IQ, a 10th-percentile with 15 SD will fall to an IQ of 65 (72).

Someone like you who almost swears by IQ should know more about this. No, it's not surprising since Westerns have been gaining IQ points (3-5 per decade) along the 20th century as they've been gaining height. The map doesn't really say much of anything. Comparative IQ is only meaningful on ceteris paribus basis & on variation basis, accounting for all factors & variables.

I didn't attempt to answer every point.   I answered the single point that i quoted.

My mind doesn't work on the same lines yours does.  You seem to think in terms of groups and tribes but i think each of us is an individual.  I am happy to be judged on my merits and faults - I don't want to be judged on the average of which ever group you want to place me in.

Being the same colour as Einstein doesn't make you super-smart!

So did ebola.

The issue is that most Americans don't use restraint. They aren't financially literate. So where responsible people like you and I don't carry a balance there are 10, 20 a 100 other people who will and will get into trouble with them.

Yeah, it really is insane. I'm hoping that it collapses under the weight of its own insanity and I think it's inevitable that it will but how long it can last remains to be seen. 

However one minor nitpick about liberal votes going against their interests...they really aren't. Their out-group isn't black people or hispanics, its BadWhites. It's been obvious for years now that when progressives talk about how much they hate white people they aren't talking about themselves.

If you count hispanic people as white it is. If you don't it's only 60% white and dropping rapidly. Non hispanic whites are already a minority among children under 5. Now some hispanics actually are white but the trend is clear...if you're worried about the USA becoming minority majority, too bad and too late. The question now is how do we manage this with as little conflict as possible.

I think when you decentralize things and devolve power from the federal government to as local a level as possible this basically happens without having to make it explicit. Of course we have an extremely long road to go down before we get there. I like Yang because what he's essentially doing is punching a giant hole through the democratic narrative by eschewing identity politics. If we can break the grip the insane racial narrative has on the left (who, lets be honest, control every important institution hands down) than we can actually start talking about the issues facing America and figure out a way to make this multi racial society work. And it can work...if by work you mean "is a functional economy that doesn't end in bloodshed."

Logically, if you're worried about IQ you should discrimate on the basis of a person's IQ not the average of their ethnic group.  You should dump anyone with low iq and keep anyone with high iq, regardless of their tribe.

Of course that might mean you lose out to

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/africa/47612326

It's not an insult. Or do you want me to call White people 'trash' or some denigrating word? No.

No, I actually have a bachelor in mathematics. A solution like that will get you an F in maths. I can elaborate if you wish, though I already mentioned the core issue, that is an irregular function was substituted by a step function.

Why don't you explain to me how is this related to the economy? You have the floor. To reiterate what I said ... [restating your original argument] ...  My point here is that the US is so rich to the point where it can afford to spare the non-millionaires from paying the full budget to fulfill their government expenditure, that would otherwise result in higher taxes, as is the case in most European countries, which all have much higher tax rates than the US.

Pretty sure that's not all they do. Why is this hard to understand, economics 101. 

Look at it this way, if there were only Blacks in America, you'd end up with a situation similar to Spain, with roughly the same economy the same income & the same population

So you just need to raise taxes at rates similar to those in France & there shall be no deficit, or as you call it "drain" "loss" "pests'

Here you go: https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk , I never make up stuff.

All this is meaningless. You wanna look at this from a racial perspective, which is pointless. [mathematics about class]  This is just as ridiculous.

The same way the Spanish & the Germans are an economic drain on their economies? 

Why? If this were true, we would have heard of White civilizations since ancient times, but we never heard of ancient France or ancient Germany... such as the Songhai Empire & the Mali Empire.

We are talking about human beings Miss Cassie, not locusts. It's dangerous to be caught in the game of statistics & forget there is an actual person behind each number. What about the big picture thought?

I'm aware of this little calculation -a mathematically flawed one (substituting an irregular function with a step function). But I'm not here to dispute that, for lack of data otherwise. Assuming these estimates are adequate (which they probably are), they relate to *fiscal* balance by race, which has nothing to do with economy. If we omit the top 5% from the calculation {the top White 5% only is responsible for 1/3rd of all taxes...), Whites would then cost -$7K, Blacks -$13K, & Hispanics -$10K. No surprises there, the net wealth of the average White household is 10 times that of the average Black household. What do you expect..?!

As you know, the average income of an African American is about $42K, which puts him at a higher income level than the average Italian or the average Kiwi, & on par with the average Korean. The average income of a Hispanic American is about $52K, which puts him at a similar level as the average German or Australian, at a much higher income than in most European countries or Canada or Japan

America is quite a rich country, just so we don't get lost in relative values. Shaving that 100 million from the total population would cost the US a *quarter* of its economy -roughly the economies of Italy & Spain & Australia combined (some of the richest countries in the world with +130 million people). Blacks may pay relatively less taxes that Whites for a lot of obvious reasons, but they are still huge consumers.

So, it's not really about the votes. IQ is relative... Whites have a lower IQ than Asians, they are doing fine ; decades ago they had lower IQ than current Blacks, they were still doing just fine. You don't have to be a genius to be a cashier or a garbageman... Should we get rid of all these 'lower' jobs then?

They didn't *have* to conquer it, they did anyways. But indeed, they are the majority among other minorities. That's why you have democracy, so you can cater to the majority & stomp the minorities. You are but one individual, you can not expect the majority (White or otherwise) to agree with you. The House, the Senate & the Presidency often are in the hands of White conservatives. What more do you want?

No love lost for the Saudis, but less so than the US, 60% vs. 75%. As are the majority of immigrants into the US Christian (some 75%). Brown is not a race... Wut...? They don't let you in if you don't cross a religious choice in your entry. Once you in, you can go on about your business. Saudi is the country of hypocrisies...

That's why I always say there's no better model than the Islamic model of legal pluralism & communitarism, which westerners like to refer to as "second class citizenship"...lol! 

No such thing as "no go zones", a myth. Come on! You're more intelligent than that. But ghettos are bad indeed.

Assuming this is true, the other side would suggest Blacks were just as discriminated against a couple decades ago & prior. Maybe they need a little help to find their balance.

They are still doing better than most, if not all.

What do you mean every avenue of peaceful opposition is denied?

Good question, how do you suggest this takes place?

Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Every time a Muslim terrorist does something, we feel it too... Censoring is better than invading & bombing still. ;-)

It's not really that bad...!!! Kill or be killed??? If this is your calling, then you must understand the sensitivities of others once driven into even tighter corners. Other peoples have actually been invaded & bombed & displaced & humiliated on top of it all. Blacks have been persecuted & humiliated for a long time as well. If you dislike injustice done to your people, it feels just as bad to others too. Impulsiveness solves nothing, understanding is key. 

Sadly, real men, strong, disciplined, devout, humane, virtuous, enlightened & sincere men are few in this age. Only angry babies playing grown-ups left. If Whites may rage, so may others. Then what?

It seems one man's terrorist is indeed another man's freedom fighter.

He could have made that point using a paintball gun.  He wanted to kill as many Muslims as possible.

Lol. Ghettos are made by the rich to keep the "filthy scum poor" together and away from sight. You don't know or understand a damn thing about poverty and who keeps the poor staying poor.

In social democracies like Canada, Western Europe l, Australia and such, there's no ghettos just poor areas that sure, still need to be properly introduced to social democracy to stop stabbings and gang culture but there's something true: the more isolationist and rich vs poor the nation is, the worse and more severely non-integrated their "ghetto dwellers" are to the rest of the nation.