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@Vader
I'd argue from every point until she starts learning Medical Ninjutsu she's effectively useless
yeah
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Sakura is needed for developing the story. But Sakura is effectively useless in S1 and S2.
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@RationalMadman
Sakura is terrible in the early seasons but gets better
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@Vader
@WaterPhoenix
@Crocodile
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@Vader
It isn't smart to lynch someone based purely off lurking alone. There has to be a accumulation of factors that play into a lynch. I did specify on what I was doing that day. You also understand that this isn't a normal mafia game
Yeah ik.
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@oromagi
I don't like lynching people for inactivity, I only like pressuring them. Supa has been on. The lurking is a bit sus, but I don't think that's enough to warrant a lynch.
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There is no bad thing with lynching, its just that the NK is required. Therefore, a townie will most likely kill a townie if we lynch Croc. That's why we need the NK'er to kill Croc.
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@RationalMadman
Idk, but I think that that drastic of a change has to come from some other source than "trying to improve". His play is completely different. If we have to decide, I fully support an NK or lynching of Crocodile.
DISCUSSION: Should we NK or Lynch Croc?
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@Speedrace
It's good that you agree. I think we should spend the entire DP1 gathering information rather than cut it short by lynching.
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@Crocodile
Last time RM and bear were Mafia, they were solely focused on themselves and defending themselves. It literallly seems the exact same way now lol.
Are you ignoring the last few pages where you were scumslipping so hard? It seems that you and Speed are doing the exact same thing.
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@Speedrace
I think you read it wrong. Inactivity is a bad reason to lynch. Lurking is a ok reason to lynch.
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@oromagi
Like you said. We shouldn't lynch for a bad reason. Inactivity in the site is a bad reason, lurking, on the other hand is not.
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@Crocodile
Bruh Bear is completely shadowing people, he's never had a lynch of his own.First, he pushes on inactivity like everyone else.Then, he shadows RM.Then, he shadows Disc.
Well, then again, neither have you. In fact, I'm not shadowing, just choosing to believe something, and backing up with evidence. You on the other hand, back up with little to no evidence whatsoever. I have a theory. Assuming Crocodile is scum, with obvious scumtells, this leads me to believe that Speed is also scum. I haven't played with him a lot, but he posted much more in defending Crocodile than contributing to town. Most of what he posted was actually not very helpful, just interpreting what was said in the rules.
Again, it is up to the NK'er to decide. If I'm the NK'er, then well I would kill off Crocodile. He wouldn't be much of a loss to town anyway.
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It is completely up to the NK'er today. I suggest to go to the VTNL
UNVOTE AND VTNL
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@oromagi
Every game we convince ourselves that we can figure out scum based on subtle tells in behavior. Every game we lynch the same guys based on our incredibly honed senses and every game we get it wrong. I am trying to learn this lesson but its so hard to be patient in the early rounds.
Not the first thing I'd think you say. For R1, I'd just like to collect info via pressure, I'm not supporting the actual lynching. Though Croc is very sus, it is up to the NK'er and the rest of the town to decide.
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@Speedrace
I understand your point, I think I interpreted the rules a bit wrong. Still, I don't think that Croc is town. Have you seen the difference between his plays?
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Wait a second. I think I understand the part wrong. Did bullish mean contend as in
-Has a chance to use the NK
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- Has a chance to be the victim of the NK?
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@Crocodile
betting is good, folding is not good.
RM's claim was saying what choices you have. Fold or bet. Folding logically means play it safe, and don't use the role, but you don't get NK'd. Betting on the other hand, is using the role, and having the risk of being NK'd. At least, that's what I interpreted the directions as (please correct me if I'm wrong).
What I'm having trouble comprehending is that with a fragment of evidence, you somehow managed to try to lead false lynches on TWO people. You are being sus af, as your play is completely different, and you are accusing people of being scum for little things
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@Crocodile
That still does not make any sense. This is a last ditch effort to save that scumslip. Betting does have consequences, both bad and good. Are you saying that you are supporting something that was your reason for me being scummy?
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@Crocodile
but why would you fold, when it has no consequences for us?
Obvious scumslip.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Sorry, I phrased that wrong.
I meant I was confused enough to post that.
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@Crocodile
But he then said I am vtling croc with a reason. But what is that reason, unless he is going with Rm's lynch. Then again, RM has no reason either. And also that ish-omgus in 148
Bruh, did you not read my claim beforehand? Or are you just skimming? Useless town is worse than scum.
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@Crocodile
Flips back in a second. I'd like to know why you are being so scummy rn.
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@Crocodile
Pure OMGUS not reason.
I have reason, you do not.
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@ILikePie5
@Discipulus_Didicit
@PressF4Respect
I was confused. I thought that having everybody being vulnerable to mafia was a bad idea. This would not be a problem in ordinary games, but this setup actually makes it hard to detect mafia unless they have a big scum slip or a drastically different play (like I said before). I also didn't fully read that mafia sometimes could not perform the night kill, that's why I was confused about the catastrophic all-betting scenario. I haven't played Poker either and don't know how to play.
The only person right now that fits my criteria is Croc, as he usually isn't this calm in his play. As seen in other mafia games, he is quick to lynch, quick to claim, and most often does something bad for the town.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
With a wild card in the flop there is no chance of any bad consequences from betting.At least, not with town's role set...
No, I'm not mafia, I'm just really confused with this setup
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I see no reason not to claim, the character doesn't really matter. From now on, I will suspect those who don't claim their characters, as it only helps town not mafia.
I am: Archie Karas
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Yeah, for some cases. Small disputes about the Burden of Proof and resolution-related matters DO NOT make it a win. But a obvious FF'er probably does.
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@ILikePie5
@PressF4Respect
I see what you are saying. I agree.
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@RationalMadman
@ILikePie5
@warren42
@Speedrace
What we should go with his 25% bet, 75% fold. That way we still can have action, but with less consequence. All bet would catastrophic.
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Really confusing. It seems obvious not to lynch anyone with no information. Mafia is literally almost impossible to detect, unless a person makes a huge scum slip, or have a drastically different play.
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@Intelligence_06
I'm literally neither. Revised version:
Debate Content-Based<----------------------------------------------------> Burden of Proof Content-Based or Manipulation of the Resolution
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@ILikePie5
You can lynch me, that's fine, I see your reasoning. But do not let my lynching go to waste. If I am guilty, than LittleCookie is guilty as well. If I am innocent, LittleCookie is innocent. If I am innocent, know that also Speed is playing bastard mod.
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@ILikePie5
Would you support lynching Cookie instead?
Probably not. Like me, he's probably innocent.
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