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@Rational


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Bad Mod Mafia Sign-Ups
Shoutout to Pie for Reminding Me.

Standard Mafia Rules, you know the drill.


Bad Mod, I'm gonna be a terrible mod ya know. There is going to be a half a chance of a modkill every two nights randomly. Y'all can't say one word, or you'll be dead.



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@ILikePie5
No hard feelings. You just gave off sus vibes lol
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@Crocodile
We were tryna pressure him you clown
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@ILikePie5
CLAIM


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@ILikePie5
What have I dodged on lol? I technically didn’t get lynched. Only did cause Supa decided to extend because of his crappy time schedule.

You've been trying to separate yourself. Like distance, so I could get lynched without you interfering
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@ILikePie5
Claim. 
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@Danielle
The question is why would he investigate you in the first place when you're one of the only people to have claimed (and a role we could somewhat verify no less?)  It seems very unlikely he would believe that investigating you would be statistically useful. 
I don't see it that way. Town-confirming a power role is useful.

And the fact that neither one of you were role blocked or killed is also very sus. If Speed were town I think he would be here playing better + making a better case for himself insofar as why he targeted you with his night action and why he's focusing on a Luna lynch this DP. 
I think the fact that both of us are sus leaves the mafia with a risky situation. Should they kill someone possibly scum or not? I think I'll be killed by this NP, they simply don't have the risk anymore.

I also think killing warren seems like Speed would be behind it. Assuming they have to logically deduce who their scum partner is, and they know it's not Luna, and assume it's not me or you, that leaves just a few potential targets. I could see Speed, Pie or whiteflame being the ones threatened by warren. 
Idk.

The only thing making me second guess Speed as scum is that it would be weird for scum to "give up" at this point since they definitely still have a shot at winning. Speed's behavior seems like he doesn't really care. Pie on the other hand seems to be trying to delay things to give mafia the edge in numbers and is open to lynching Luna/you.  So Speed/Pie are my biggest suspects right now along with one of the lesser active people. Skittlez and Croc need to post. I'd like to hear more from MisterChris as well. It's good he posted. 

I have suspicions on Pie like I said. Speed doesn't seem like scum, it's just off. Perhaps this is because of the 3 scum and 1 out scenario, but probably not.
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What I think about the NK is that mafia wants to play it low-key. They don't know their third member and aren't going to kill the person that is very sus. Essentially, they need to choose who to kill carefully, meaning they have to play like town. They probably wouldn't kill me or Speed as it would be a waste of an NK, as most likely I would've been lynched the next DP.

The cop'ing of me was probably unexpected to scum, which is why they need to push a lynch on someone else. Strangely, the way Pie has been dodging me and just saying I was sus eerily reminds me of what he did in Naruto Mafia to Lunatic who was Pattern at the time. When Pattern came out as Lunatic he tried to push a lynch on him but then quickswitched and got lynched himself.

vtl Pie
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@Greyparrot
Ok, then why would he town-confirm me?
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@3RU7AL
How though?
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October 2020 in-depth rating system for debaters, by RationalMadman.
BearMan

Originality: 10
Depth of Research: 10
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 10
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 10
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 10
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 10
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 10
Eloquence: 10
Rebuttal Factor  ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~  Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 10
Quality of Presentation: 10
Bear: 10000000000



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@3RU7AL
Idk
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Plz me
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@3RU7AL
Yeah but that won't really affect the virus as they aren't alive beings.
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@3RU7AL


No sunlight is better:
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The third kind, called UVC, has too short a wavelength to cut through Earth’s atmosphere and reach our skin, so it’s not a threat to sunbathers. But it can be re-created in a lightbulb. Research has found that UVC degrades genetic material like DNA so severely, microbes or viruses hit by the rays can’t multiply. “It doesn’t kill the virus — it renders it unable to reproduce,”UVC light doesn’t discriminate when it comes to ruining genetic material, though, and can damage human skin and eye cells. Some particular UVC wavelengths have been associated with skin cancer or cataracts, Bolton says. Sanitation procedures that use the light, like the robots wheeled into hospitals, operate when no one is around to get hit by the harmful wavelengths. 



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@3RU7AL
Because they are also harmful for humans.


I have a UV cleaner for my stuff but I don't install UV lightbulbs everywhere because they are harmful.
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Intelligence dropped two entire ranks from losing to me lol
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My "Top Debaters' Ratings"
I think I have a straight 2 in attack and 3 in defense. Trickery is confusing but probably 1.
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@ILikePie5
It provides risk to scum when they NK. It's a stretch but I don't wanna end the DP collecting almost no information and lynching someone that's deathproof

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@ILikePie5
What about if he's scum deathproof?
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If I was scum, I would've pretended to get a guilty on me
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@Danielle
It'd be a weird gambit to town confirm a scum, I'm not sure vtl'ing speed would be town's best interest.
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@whiteflame
He's normally not this inactive. I heard someone say he plays much more low-key when he's scum.


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@whiteflame
Pie and Chris are behaviorally sus.
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Is anyone active?
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@Danielle
Since I know I'm town, and mafia wouldn't confirm town a suspicious player, Speed is probably town.
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@Danielle
How/why is that useful for town? 
Look, tracking someone that's suspicious in town won't get anywhere. The way I see it, if you're under suspicion, you are less likely to NK when there is a known tracker.

Any one of them could be scum, I picked one of them, they didn't do anything.
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@Danielle
I picked it out of random. I could've tracked any of them.
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@Danielle
Pinged wrong person again
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@Daniel
Pinged wrong person
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@Daniel
t also makes no sense that BearMan would track whiteflame. Sure whiteflame was relatively quiet last DP (BearMan's excuse was that "If he was mafia, and he wasn't under suspicion, it would perfectly easy for him to do an NK") but so was Chris, Crocodile, skittlez, Pie and Parrot to the same extent. Granted Parrot claimed Vanilla but I find it odd that BearMan would choose whiteflame. 
Yeah and I chose one of them. I already pointed it out that some people were pretty inactive/


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@ILikePie5
I’m willing to trust Speed more than BearMan just cause he claimed a cop. Trackers as I noted last DP can scum affiliations and it would be perfect cover similarly to a Mafia Roleblocker claiming Town Roleblocker.
Bruh Speed just said I was town. If Speed is town, I am town. If I'm scum, then Speed is also scum, simple as that.


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@Danielle
I didn't have anyone else to track. If he was mafia, and he wasn't under suspicion, it would perfectly easy for him to do an NK.
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Whiteflame did not visit anyone
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Resources/Materials
I find urban dictionary useful if you need to define slang.
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scholar.google.com

In case anyone doesn't know, it's just a search for reliable sources.
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if anyone has a protector role, protect speed


vtnl
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unvote

Can anyone counterclaim speeds claim
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@ILikePie5
We laugh at dogs getting excited when they hear a bark on TV, but if TV was a nonstop stream of unintelligible noises and then someone suddenly spoke to you in your language, you'd be pretty fucking startled too.

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@Danielle
we have to lynch someone this DP, i don't see me convincing anyone that my scumreads are scum so vtl speed


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@Danielle
Why do you want the DP to end?

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@Danielle
The claim was a joke and you acknowledged it. I don't think Speed is scum.
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Not scumreading me after I was sus asf is a scumread for you
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@Speedrace
The precise thing is that they haven't done anything.
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@warren42
So the theory then is that there are more mafia, OR there's an OP mafia juggernaut.
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Ok anyway, seriously.

Lunatic's play was confusing from the start, he was trying to attract mafia to notice that he was the "third scum". The fact that there is a scum separate from the other scum means it was used as a powerful "balance" meaning that mafia probably has an OP role. Judging how "bastard" we consider the separate scum-move, that OP role must be pretty powerful, which is why we need a lynch now. 

That's also why I needed to confirm a role madness game because if we play the power roles correctly we can catch that mafia juggernaut. 

It is most likely that the "juggernaut" is playing it low-key so that he or she does not get lynched. The people who match this description in post #246. When I was acting real suspicious, those people likely got more active, thinking they could lynch me easily.

I suspect:
5. warren42 
8. whiteflame
4. skittlez09
11. Greyparrot

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@ILikePie5
If I literally say "I am scum and I concede the game".  And the game doesn't end, I am confirmed town.
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I just realized something.

I can literally be town confirmed by the mod by saying I am scum and I concede, and the game doesn't end.


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@ILikePie5
what the hell is finger of suspicion
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