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That is awesome. Sorry I am very giddy about the emoji's. This site is even better than I thought
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@ILikePie5
Hold on we can use emojis. Let me try that is awesome 😎
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@ILikePie5
I am not your typical liberal. I am also openly elitest. Most of us are not open about it. Too many of my comrades apologize for their elitest ways, but imagine what state the country would be in, if we had allowed plebs to run the economy instead of Keynesians
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@oromagi
This is my only account on here. I know it is popular to speculate on who an alt is or is not or whether somebody is or is not an alt, at some point I'll probably be accused of being one or multiple people I am not. It's just how this works. I played most of my games on mafiascum. I have played with a few people here before. I remember XLAV a lot and was looking forward to playing with him again. I am basing all that analysis provided on the last game played. With that said. I am keeping my identity private unless you know somebody says something like "hey let's make this guy a mod" . That won't happen but if something like that happened, I would be like "wait, don't do that LOL, not at least until everyone knows who I am". And that would just be a respect thing because the identity of people with more responsibility in the community is more important to know.
TLDR. No
Also I am just tossing this out. I think Pie and Chris are scum, based on my gut. I know it is probably a stupid assumption this early on, by I am working under the assumption pie and Chris are scum until proven otherwise.
VTL chris
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I think to a certain degree you shouldn't care about results. No matter how much better you dothan your opponent, there is a good chance you will lose considering the quality of a large portion of judges.
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Grey's boxer is a nobody also. If he named somebody like Mike Tyson or Muhhamed Ali or sugar ray leonard than my ears would perk up. I never heard of these people. Anybody got a famous boxer like that George guy? Or
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I am Joe Joyce. You see that. A nobody. Literally the mafia has a ton of room to fake claim. And the character claim leaves you guys scratching your head as to the role. Character claims at this moment are harmless.
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@Stephen
I know they are the same event based on the following evidence.
Luke7:36-37
Jesus invited to the home of Simon the Pharisee.
“And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat. A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume. As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them”.
Jesus at the home of Simon the Leper
Matthew26:6-7 Now when Jesus was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper,a woman came up to him with an alabaster flask of very expensive ointment, and she poured it on his head as he reclined at table.
Mark14:3 And while he was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper,as he was reclining at table, a woman came with an alabaster flask of ointment of pure nard, very costly, and she broke the flask and poured it over his head.
John12:3
“Then Mary took about a pint of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.”
Those seem like the typical contradictory witness accounts of the same exact event.
No reasonable person reading those witness accounts would think those are different events.
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@Stephen
It isn't the same account LOL. It was from 2 different witnesses right? 2 different witness accounts?
Unless you were trying to bring in the Q document which is believed by some scholars to be what a few of the gospels are taken from. I think if the account was taken from the Q document though, the 2 different alleged witness accounts would line up better though
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@MisterChris
I don't think mine is well known, but I don't follow boxing anyway
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@RationalMadman
I'm aware those techniques were used, I just think it was trump's people acting alone. I also agree that foreign countries do attempt to propagandize american citizens to sway elections in a beneficial way to them.
For example China coincidentally benefits greatly by Biden being elected and coincidentally had a virus that came from them shut down the old way of voting and allowed mail in voting which benefits the party that the less politically aware person's vote for.
I pretty much agree with everything you said, except for thinking russia was consulted by Trump to use ads that suppressed votes. I think the Trump team did that on their own.
I don't have an opinion on whether Russians hacked election equipment. I think there is no evidence that Russians hacked the election like most of my democrat colleagues believe, but they certainly ran a propaganda campaign to get Trump elected.
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@MisterChris
There are thousands of boxers. So easy to fake claim here. I think scum will probably just be pressured to claim and it will neither benefit or harm town
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@Double_R
Nobody is alleging that it was a conspiracy by left-wing voters lol. It would obviously be a few well placed individuals.
Just a reminder of what left wingers alleged about the election in 2000.
1. The voting machines were rigged.
2. The supreme court was in the winner's back pocket
3. There were active conspiracies by street cops to close roads and make it more difficult to get to voting stations.
4. The media was complicit in stealing the elections.
It's almost the exact same claims. Only 9\11 made everyone forget and get behind the president. I wonder what Biden's 9/11 will be to bring the country together.
These claims of election manipulation was true in both cases. Even in 2016 the whole russian conspiracy to rig voting machines by the left was probably true. Americans are the only ones naive enough to believe they live in an actual democracy
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@Stephen
It's obviously the same event. Have you even been a juror? Well intentioned people who are witnesses always have different recollections of events whether they are adults or not. This is why eyewitness testimony is usually not enough to convict
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I think GP is fine. He probably has a role he perceives as a power role, which is why he is not following his meta.
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@Greyparrot
Alright, you have my word. Solid town read on you. Forget claiming.
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According to this article 1/3 of teachers fall into the extremely vulnerable category for dying from covid-19. https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/a-third-of-teachers-are-at-higher-risk-of-severe-illness-from-covid-19/2020/04
This industry in particular is just very very vulnerable and should probably be the last thing the government allows to reopen.
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@Greyparrot
Personally I think I am just going to character claim anyway. Not sure it matters with all the possible fake claims anyway. The only risk is ruining the theme analysis which is typically useless anyway. At least on mafiascum it tends to be useless.
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It's clear that republicans do nothing to help conservatives while democrats actually do things to protect blue collar workers? Is it just because of the social causes democrats tend to pursue? I would think economic impacts would be more of a concern for conservatives, but it looks like conservatives will harm their own economic futures if it means they can prevent a gay couple from getting married. I don't want to straw man conservatives, but why do they vote against their own best interests?
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@ILikePie5
Maybe you're right. Just because I cannot see the harm in doin it, doesn't mean there isn't any. I still would like to hear other opinions because I cannot see how you would get my role from my character
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@Speedrace
Hi Barry Allen. What do you think of mass character claiming?
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Or have supa first to claim and he can begin the pop corning
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@ILikePie5
It just takes you agreeing. We can pull everyone else on board. There are thousands of heavy weight boxers alive and dead. I can't see this coming back to harm town
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@ILikePie5
You want to do character claims and popcorn this. If you are familiar with the terminology
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I actually don't see any harm in character claiming. Anyone want to popcorn this. I can go first
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I don't really believe in RVS tbh. I think there is always going to be a best option. Right now I am trying to figure out if the supa is a good enough option here.
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@ILikePie5
Lunatic was not in the last game, so don't know what to expect. Just realized grey parrot is I. The same boat. Whiteflame will be hard to figure out, because he acts like a robot in my opinion.
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@ILikePie5
Why supa? I was thinking of pressuring whiteflame or Lunatic early. Supa crossed my mind too, but what is your philosophy here?
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I think Mcgregor would have beaten Floyd Mayweather in a real fight or something close to it like MMA. That is why when him and mcGregor interacted on stage, you could see the fear in Floyd's eyes. You could tell floyd wanted that fight to be in the ring and did not want to risk a real fight, which is why he said subservient to McGregor
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@ILikePie5
The rules state to avoid name calling. Just to let you know
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@Double_R
The default position is that our fellow citizens acted lawfully, especially when there is a whole system of checks to ensure this be the case
Yeah I tend to be distrusting of everyone LOL. I have heard the arguments about "trust but verify" . I may he wrong here but I prefer "distrust and verify and then even distrust that"
I admit it is probably not a healthy trait.
Certain things bother me though. Like one district was asked to retain records of votes on the machines but destroyed them anyway. The court agreed that it was okay. I just can't imagine a single good reason to tell somebody that erasing digital records is okay if there is even a one in a million chance there is something on them.
It also seems like the actual voting process went smoother in suburban areas than urban areas. Even if that is not fishy, it is still unfair to people voting in big cities.
I am old enough to remember the tight election between bush and gore in 2000. Every democrat alleged election fraud. I was one of them, I know. Then it was conservatives urging us to trust the process unless proof of fraud was found and that election had just as many funny little things occurring as the 2020 one.
Wouldn't a complete distrust of everyone, allow a more critical eye on the process and make it that much harder for any fraud to happen? It seems like complete distrust, even if it is not well earned has the advantage of allowing fewer errors to occur.
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@Theweakeredge
Do you mean that your genes are not as good at surviving as our genes? Sure, but I fail to see how that makes them inferior, that would be enabling rhetoric that is inherently flawed, aka Eugenics. Or in this case, Degenics
Yes inferior in that respect. I disagree with playing the euphemism game though. If I am getting fat, I would rather somebody tell me "hey you look like a pig, cut back on the sugar fatty" than somebody say something like "you put on some healthy wait, nothing wrong with that".
Some of that ramble is hard to respond to, but I read it.
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@fauxlaw
I wish I could go into detail about hermeticism here since many people are curious, but unfortunately I am at the beginning of my journey to understand it., And would likely give them terrible insight, though I know I have found my spiritual home.
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@fauxlaw
. I believe the value of people is what they retain, unseen in mortality, and take with them beyond this mortal coil; when perfection will attend them as surely as anyone not so physically challenged in mortality. This brief session in mortality has so much glory awaiting its finality; my brother runs through fields of wildflowers of colors we can only imagine now. I weep for my lack of it, for now.
I no longer fear death for the same reason. I call myself a hermeticism because nobody knows what neoplatonism is, but me and your brother may have very similar beliefs. That book of plato with the annotations would probably be a gold mine of knowledge.
I seek perfection in hopes it will bring me closer to God, although I know I fall extremely short. I have a lot to learn.
I am sorry about your loss. It must be hard to have such a wonderful person out of your life. My dad was terrible LOL and it still leaves a hole in my heart that he is gone, so how much more it must pain you to lose a great person so close
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Traditionally, societies funneled these dead ends into hunting, herding, mining, armies, prisons, etc. As we strive for an improved society, we scaled down a lot of human institutions that traditionally mulched the INCEL types at a young age. Perhaps society failed the INCELs but almost certainly to the net benefit of society overall.
That is an incredible argument for why we shouldn't overly concern ourselves with the fate of incel's.although when I look at the men in polygamous societies, it does make me fear that a large amount of incel's could cause some bad waves of violence.
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I disagree that incel's are denied fuckable women. Most of the ones I have talked to claim they will literally fuck anyone. Women have higher standards for a partner than men do. So a woman who is a 2 on the beauty scale will not fuck a man below a 5 and a man who is a 2 would be willing to also fuck a 2 for the most part. Women have unreasonably high standards for themselves. There is certainly unfair beauty standards that are self imposed as well as media imposed, but a lot of men just have no standards and will fuck anything that looks their way.
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I would call stephen hawking genetically inferior, because I am looking at it in terms of how much you benefit personally from your genetic makeup. If we are looking at it from who benefits society the most than we would consider hawking superior to almost everyone who has ever existed .
So we are probably defining it differently. You probably think of genetic fitness in terms of benefit to society, I would see it from a more selfish stand point
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@oromagi
You raise a ton of great points. I'll dive into the very few that I disagree with in a bit.
and if INCELs were the cost for the good thing called female agency, wouldn't that be a relatively cheap price to pay?
That depends. I have seen a lot of suggestions that women are happier when they are married and in a happy monogamous marriage then they are when being promiscuous. I have also seen that the more sexual partners a person has than the less they are able to connect and feel for their partners.
If these things are true, than you t is a choice between providing them agency or happiness and that is a more philosophical question.
Your statistic about divorce rates makes me wonder about the happiness of women in monogamous relationships though, so I'll need to dig into that stuff.
I'll get to the rest of your answers later, but it reminds me of a story that when the ight about disproves freedom/agency.
Like a fish you keep in a small bowl, if you free him by breaking the bowl he does. Or a bird you keep in a cage, but when you open it he flies into a window and dies. This type of freedom even if the fish or bird asked you for it, may be unethical to provide. So if this is a question of female agency vs happiness than the answer is not so clear cut.
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RM "all populists are in the pocket of the rich"
Me "what about the killing fields"
RM "see! proof populists are bad"
What happened to saying all populists are secretly corporate puppets?
Me "what about the killing fields"
RM "see! proof populists are bad"
What happened to saying all populists are secretly corporate puppets?
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@RationalMadman
Have you tried vitamin D? I hear that a lot of mood and energy disorders are caused by low vitamin D, and also that people in colder climates or who stay indoors a lot usually have a deficiency
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Also have to answer the question of whether I would like to live like epstein as a no. He was a Chomo
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@FLRW
I was going to ask that as well. Like prostitution covered by medical insurance for incel's.
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If you have 2 witnesses to an event, they will give contradictory details. Nobody takes the bible as being 100% accurate. Humans wrote it.
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Why is it hypocritical to think that both an act should have happened and also after that action is taken not be personally responsible for it.
Let me get this straight. I don't find it despicable that Trump was saying the election was stolen. I have not seen the same classified documents as him. I am not sure what classified documents CNN saw where they felt justified to call him a liar. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't.
However the following two messages are ridiculous and seem contradictions.
Trump "the election was stolen"
Americans believing their president and thinking that democracy should win out then storm the capital to encourage law makers to uphold the democratic decision to elect Trump. (Based on Trump saying the election was stolen.
Trump " This attack on the capital was disgusting and I disavow those people"
He told people the election was stolen and when the people respond by trying to fight off the insurgents, the president is like . "yo wtf is this".
His actions are just as disgusting as the politicians hiding instead of coming out to have a dialogue. If they are supposed to be for the people they shouldn't mind confronting the mob with logic and dialogue. They certainly should not allow their secret service agents to shoot random protestors or threaten them with guns
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I have been wondering lately about genetic superiority. I is clear that some people are genetically superior to others. This is to be differentiated from moral superiority or self worth. I think in the eyes of God, I am equal to all of you. In the eyes of the law I may even be a bit superior to all of you, considering my status as a white male.
However I am certainly genetically inferior to most of you. I have a genetic disorder that means I have to use voice to text 50% of the time on this site. It also means I will probably be dead within the next few years. Please don't PM me asking for specifics. I am open about some of my struggles, but some things I want to avoid talking about.
You guys are genetically superior to me, for the most part I assume. Do we ignore the fact that most incel's are correct. They are genetically inferior to a lot of men as well and will struggle to get laid. It used to be when early marriage and monogamy was forced on people that those who are called incel's today could have lead a happy life with a good wife and some kids. Now these guys have become genetic dead ends. Were they failed by society? Sure female agency is a good thing, but was the cost of female agency something that resulted in a large portion of males who ended up genetic dead ends?
On the surface we may,so what? They can't get laid, you can still be happy and not have sex or have a significant other. I agree with this, but the fact is when we have a bunch of young men, with a very bleak picture of the future, we usually get a lot of crime and social disorder. It would be a similar result as to what happens in heavily polygamous societies.
What about the other side of the coin. Some women are genetically inferior because they put on weight easier than others. Perhaps they have a genetic disorder that makes weight gain easy, perhaps their genetics mean they have a huge appetite. I am a bit overweight myself. I can emphasize, but we see a push back by these women where they demand to be seen as attractive and demand others ignore their genetic inferiority. What will be the result of a society where a bunch of women are treated merely as "slump busters" and a bunch of men cannot have sex at all?
Perhaps the HAES advocates are right. Society was more stable when the government and social standards intervened to get these incel's from the 50s laid. (I acknowledge that the stability came at the cost of equality). Perhaps we should also as a society push to change beauty standards as well, so that way we can encourage some social stability.
Just my thoughts on the results of ignoring that genetic superiority is a real thing. People are genetically superior to me and society has helped me bridge that gap with the americans with disabilities act. Should society save other genetically inferior people to avoid social decay such as HAES advocates and INCELs
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@Barney
That's a fair question . Some say when competing you should only beat yourself. Your opponent is secondary. Beating your best will keep you sharp against bad opponent's and focused on controllable things when facing dangerous opponents
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@fauxlaw
Remember when he was in Michigan and the teleprompter mentioned the number of michigan covid deaths, but Biden though MI stood for military and trailed off talking about military deaths
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@HistoryBuff
This is funny. You basically said you agreed that a wall was needed for border security and then decided that being pro wall was somehow xenophobic. Are you admitting to being xenophobic or is this cognitive dissonance?
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Trump just came out and basically said yes, but I wouldn't take him seriously. He basically hinted he would run for the 4 prior elections leading up to the 2016 one, and did run another time for an independent party that everyone forgets about. It will be interesting if both him and pence run against each other so we can see some valid criticism of trump's actions in office as opposed to just reactionary hyperbole.
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