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@3RU7AL
I know that when I work at non union places I make more. It leads me to believe that unions probably get more I the way of good money and benefits than help with it. Trade unions seem to work well, but outside of grade unions they seem like they just leech off of employees
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@3RU7AL
Yes. They took $10 a week when I got zero benefits and made exactly minimum wage. After I went to a non union job I got an automatic raise.
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@BrotherDThomas
It's not as hominem. I don't think it makes you less of a person to have schizophrenia. You can't help it.
What part of hermeticism do you think is incorrect?
You seemed angry that I suggested bible translations may be imperfect as well. Why do you think out of the hundreds of bible translations all of which disagree with the translation of all the others are perfectly translated with no errors?
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@3RU7AL
Not a fan of unions just think they have a really guy to exist. I worked in a grocery store and they paid me minimum wage because of the ufcw. When I quit and went to Walmart automatically got a raise and more benefits. I ions just seem to be there to collect a portion of your paycheck
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@Speedrace
I just wanted a claim out of him because he may be harder to read in future DPs. Right now I think the fact Chris is the only person who has mentioned role justification is problematic and would like to hear thoughts from others
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My goal is not to approach common ground but to teach and learn from you .
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@3RU7AL
So, are you suggesting that only crimes that produce an ACTUAL REAL-LIFE VICTIM should be enforced?
No more "driving while intoxicated" infractions?
Correct
Although I certainly understand enforcing preventative laws where it is hard to track down the perpetrator. Such as banning shooting guns in the air on July 4th, just because a bullet that travels several blocks and lands on a girls head, would make it near impossible to actually track down who fired the bullet.
I find most laws that are intended to prevent harm are unethical, and on par with the actions taken by government I'm minority report.
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@3RU7AL
AND, more significantly, are you in favor of ABOLISHING THE USE OF FINES AS PENALTIES?
Yes, corporations have sent expired medicine overseas for example. Everyone in the chain of command that allowed that to happen should be criminally responsible for every death that resulted from that. Some fines are just preemptive against potential harms. They should be eliminated and replaced with prison as a real deterrent. But as you know I am a consequentialist so if their behavior causes harm, they go to prison, but if the unethical practices lead to more overall good for society, I wouldn't punish them.
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@3RU7AL
Gangster capitalism is not real capitalism. In capitalism you would have laws that protect the negative rights of small business owners and new competitors in the market
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@3RU7AL
I guess in theory you could claim they aren't evil despite destroying competition like drug cartels would do by getting the government to be their slaves as opposed to slaves of the people like intended.
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@3RU7AL
I don't believe so. If I can show a direct causal relationship between regulations or economic interventions causing monopolies than we can show they are created by tinkering with markets and not in a free market. In fact you could point me towards any uncompetitive markets and I will be able to point to you the government interference that caused a barrier of entry to new competitors.
My premise is that interventions from government cause monopolies. In your first post to me you declared that capitalism (completely free markets devoid of manipulation or central planning) cause monopolies.
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@Stephen
So you don't have an answer. Then try this one. Why did he even bother healing a few lepers or curing anyone at all if they were "already dead anyway"? You see here again you have yourself highlighted one of those biblical anomalies that need answering.
That was already explained. He was showing off. Performing miracles for others.
Tell me , who would you rather have walking among you, a murdering insurrectionist criminal or a wonder worker that could heal your sick child and even bring them back to life?
I think I already explained that. People will genuinely free a murderer over an unpopular political figure. If you gave liberals a national vote to either kill donald trump and free ted Kazynski, but r visa versa, they would kill Donald Trump.
Who I would prefer is irrelevant. We are talking the madness of crowds. I would also assume they believed the healings were magic tricks with plants in the crowd. At the same time other messianic figures were walking around doing similar things.
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@oromagi
although the poetry is usually worse
Congrats for improvement
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@RationalMadman
Well damn. I think you sold me. I usually go the free VPN route when in coffee shops or trying to watch german netflix, but I think you sold me on Nord VPN for my pirating needs, seeing as how the last stimulus package seemed to sneak some stuff in there about heavier punishments for piracy.
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@Danielle
Am I breaking a rule by asking about role justification? That wouldn't call under analyzing pm structure right?
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Maybe have both sides at least give an overview of their arguments before hand so you don't have to worry about anticipating obscure arguments
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@K_Michael
Do a 1 round debate and post a google doc dated the day before. Or both send a 3rd party the doc before either side submits to ensure no cheating.
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I'm back.
You don't have to claim black. All of us should be except for maybe the scum team
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Also can we have everyone state whether they have justification for their role or not so we know if Chris made a scum slip.
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Not that it matters because non of you are that active, but I think I have the rona and will probably be out of commission for tomorrow. I just started feeling the symptoms after dinner so maybe food poisoning but will probably be in bed all day tomorrow
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Okay, can anyone tell me if oromagi quotes random things every game or if this is just something maybe he is forced to do as part of his role this game or what exactly is going on?
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When I use the word monopoly for clarification I am using it liberally and just mean oligarchy .
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@oromagi
You are quoting poems or something. We get it. Your maya angelou or some other artistic person thanks.
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@fauxlaw
What he says almost seems like word salad. A lot of schizophrenics have religious fixations and write in pretty incomprehensible ways like him. The thing that bothers me, is that I have seen people like that get better just by taking lithium every single day and yet a lot of them refuse to do so. I just hope if it ever happens to me, somebody forces me to take my medicine. I have never seen a schizophrenic actually prefer the delusional state over the same state of being. I don't want to insult him. I feel genuinely bad for him and want him to seek help. However I think you are right. I'm better off if prong him as he likely won't take my advice to actually start taking his meds anyway.
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@3RU7AL
What point are you trying to make?
Also
Also
"Sorry amazon Don't cancel my prime membership"
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I seriously want to know because monopolies are bad and I want to pick an ideology that would eliminate the Amazon's of the world
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@3RU7AL
So does regulation create monopolies like history has shown or does the free market create evil monopolies?
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@RationalMadman
Wow nice.
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@3RU7AL
They pretty much strong armed everybody to build the business as well. In a capitalist society that would not be allowed. The goal of a free market is competition. We can always look at how much market share businesses had prior to and after market regulation to see if your theory is correct. If your theory that free markets create monopolies and that centrally planned economies eliminate them and foster competition we can look to history to see if that is true.
1. Before the FDA existed there was a massive amount of mom and pop grocers and food producers. After big businesses paid politicians to create the FDA, we now get most of our foods from just 5 food producers.
2. Before FDR put massive regulations on banks, 80% of banking was done by small banks, now it is mostly done with big banks.
3. Once the automotive industry faced heavy regulation we stopped seeing 20 car manufacturers who competed with ford and now it is almost impossible to start a car company, unless you are Elon musk and can afford to lose billions for 10 years straight.
You can't have it both ways. Either capitalism creates an unregulated wild wild west of small businesses that prey on people and need to be stiffly regulated or capitalism creates monopolies that control everything. Socialists in the age of FDR would be mocking you for thinking unregulated markets have less competition than regulated ones.
1. Before the FDA existed there was a massive amount of mom and pop grocers and food producers. After big businesses paid politicians to create the FDA, we now get most of our foods from just 5 food producers.
2. Before FDR put massive regulations on banks, 80% of banking was done by small banks, now it is mostly done with big banks.
3. Once the automotive industry faced heavy regulation we stopped seeing 20 car manufacturers who competed with ford and now it is almost impossible to start a car company, unless you are Elon musk and can afford to lose billions for 10 years straight.
You can't have it both ways. Either capitalism creates an unregulated wild wild west of small businesses that prey on people and need to be stiffly regulated or capitalism creates monopolies that control everything. Socialists in the age of FDR would be mocking you for thinking unregulated markets have less competition than regulated ones.
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@3RU7AL
Yes, they literally paid politicians to bring in the national guard to prevent unionization at one point, and would have had a lot of competition if not for government intervention. You should read up on their history
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In fact when anti capitalistic policies were put in place, it painted the free market as kinda like a wild west environment to justify the economic policy changes and regulations.
If you told the socialists of the 1920s that capitalism meant a few small businesses would control everything, they would laugh at you and point to the wild west nature of the markets., And then tell you monopolies are good because it is just one business to control instead of an entire free market of small businesses
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@3RU7AL
Not really, because in the information age, monopolies require government intervention to become and maintain a monopoly. Regional monopolies such as utility companies are created because government literally forbids competition. When we look at the FDA which would not exist in a capitalist country, it has so much regulation and red tape that it takes drugs a billion dollar and several years to come to market. It is just impossible to have no competition unless you either buy politicians to make it possible such as the ones bought to create the FDA, and the ones bought to create regional utility monopolies.
You see capitalism is against economic interventions in favor of any or even all businesses. Did you know that the courts determined that corporations are people? This was done so companies could buy or intimidate politicians through lobbying. They literally lobby government to create policies beneficial to them. In a capitalist society, the laws would be unalterable in that regard and no amount of bribery or threats could penetrate the law and make that happen.
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@ILikePie5
Are your u down for pressuring crock for a claim?
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@3RU7AL
That's why I believe in punishing politicians who get bad results for example. After their term take a look at some factors that would determine if society has proved or not. If not, put them in prison as a traitor. This would incentify politicians to have the correct motives.
I would judge success on a metric such as by measuring happiness levels of the population as a whole.
I would judge success on a metric such as by measuring happiness levels of the population as a whole.
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@Greyparrot
I didn't watch it, but yes that is what It think happens with pretty much any business who holds a near monopoly. Monopolies are nearly impossible in a capitalistic society.
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@Conway
I agree with all of that, except for perhaps the insinuation that police are overly biased and that the bias theyhave is a real issue.
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@3RU7AL
By their results. Currently they are not improving the world. The world is proving but it is in spite of them not because of them
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@Greyparrot
I think some of them used briberies and political manipulation. For example how drug companies hate competition, so they petitioned for laws that make competition impossible by making drug manufacturing cost billions to bring to market
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@3RU7AL
If my corporate mob kings were interested in improving society in some way, I'd be the first to offer up my worship.
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If it isn't inherently benevolent than is grey parrot justified in thinking we should be cautious about how much power we give to government?
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@Double_R
Just so I understand your ideology. Is government inherently benevolent or is it possible for the government to be capable of horrible things and corruption?
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@Double_R
I already said it doesn't affect climate change in a noticable way, it merely exports are carbon to other countries and does significant damage to america short term, with a barely visible impact long term. The only logical reason to harm America that much for long term gain of barely anything, is if you think that the minor help you give to the world, will somehow come back and help america in the future through some kind of butterfly affect.
I'm not saying liberals are wrong, but is absurd to think they put America first. They always default to thinking of the international community first.
Even there you claim that the long term benefits of exporting our carbon to China outweighs the short term irreversible devastation. To doing so. So it seems your underlying ideology agrees with my analysis that liberals put the world first while thinking america will benefit. (See exporting carbon example) . While republicans once the conservatives are she'd will only care about putting America first and knowing the world benefits from a better america.
I'm not saying liberals are wrong, but is absurd to think they put America first. They always default to thinking of the international community first.
Even there you claim that the long term benefits of exporting our carbon to China outweighs the short term irreversible devastation. To doing so. So it seems your underlying ideology agrees with my analysis that liberals put the world first while thinking america will benefit. (See exporting carbon example) . While republicans once the conservatives are she'd will only care about putting America first and knowing the world benefits from a better america.
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Pseudo christian I guess you would call it
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@BrotherDThomas
I believe in God. I believe in him as described in the tradition of hermeticism. I am the same type of Christian as Dion Fortune. The new testament was written by people who were trying to pass on the wisdom of Hermes trismagistus, but passed on his wisdom in parables so that those with ears will hear, but that your average christian would be blind to the secret teachings of the bible.
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@FLRW
Science disagrees. You probably think it is logical, but my bet is you make those decisions because you don't deal like dying.
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@BrotherDThomas
Lithium doesn't work, if you don't take it
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