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@Stephen
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Stephen,
YOUR EMBARRASSING AND RUNAWAY QUOTE: That's a matter of opinion 'brother'. I am pleased you re-posted the link that clearly proves you to be the delusional bible bashing clown that you portray yourself to be. Please keep reposting this link.
I am pleased that you are finally accepting the fact that you cannot in any way address my post to you in the link above, where running away from it with lame excuses is the only thing that you can do to save any further embarrassment to yourself! But, the post remains, and I will refer to it in the future showing your "Runaway Status" here on DebateArt Religion forum! THANK YOU!
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
YOUR CONTINUED BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: "Simple. Go to your local church and hand over all your worldly possessions to a man in a dress, and you are forgiven and 'saved' but you have to die first."
What part of my statement to Deb-8-a-bull below DIDN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!
"Always remember, our Jesus, as the Jewish Yahweh God incarnate, states with specificity that you were born into sin and it unfortunately stays with you until the end. "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." (Psalm 51:5)
Besides, one of the "hooks" of Christianity shows us that it matters not when we TRUE Christians sin at any time, because we are ALWAYS forgiven, therefore there is absolutely no incentive not to sin, because all we have to do is to believe in Jesus, praise! “To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” (Acts 10:43)
With the above being said, FAKE Christians like Catholics, go against Jesus' words in Acts 10:43 and submit themselves to "Sweat Boxes," aka, Confession Booths, where they needlessly talk to a priest that will tell them that their sins are forgiven. Or, they pray to Jesus for forgiveness, all the while being blatantly ignorant of Act 10:43.
It takes balls to be a TRUE Christian like myself in the 21st century, praise Jesus!"
STEPHEN, SERIOUSLY, ARE YOU VYING TO BE MORE BIBLE IGNORANT THAN DR. "C&P" FRANKLIN?
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@Stephen
Anyone see STEPHEN lurking around DebateArt Religion Forum, where he continues to HIDE from my post #51 above that continues to show him as one of the most bible ignorant members on this forum?
Let me know if you see him, and if he is not to scared and pissing his pants, tell him to address yet another embarrassing post above where I have BIBLE-SLAPPED him once again in the name of Jesus!
Stephen is just making it too easy for me.
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
Subsequent to you wiping the egg from your face AGAIN, regarding me "Schooling You" upon the topic of Jesus resurrection and crucifixion, I am having to do it again relative to your post #16 above. When are you going to give me a break to your bible ignorance?!
YOUR QUOTE IN RESPONSE TO ME STATING THAT CHRISTIANS DO KNOW WHO THE FATHER IS, IT WAS JESUS (POST #16): “You have not a single piece of evidence to support that claim. You are just making all this shite up as you go as do all bible bashing Christians do when stumped by the obvious. and you still haven't explained what a "True Christian" is in your own delusional opinion. You have no more claim to the "truth" or being a "true Christian" than any other christian denomination. "
JESUS IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT WRITINGS!
Who was claimed among the nations: Jesus
JESUS ADMITS HE IS YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE!
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, THEREFORE JESUS IS THAT GOD!
To your embarrassing dismay once again, and as explicitly shown within the scriptures, Jesus is Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament. Therefore, to prevent you from further embarrassment, may I suggest that you either take some time off from DebateArt, or inhabit a Christian “Childrens Forum” where your complete bible ignorance won’t be so revealing to the equally bible ignorant children. Yes? You’re welcome.
When you make embarrassing statements like above, I am sure there are many others that are tiring of your complete biblical ignorance! Stephen, let me “School You” once again in front of the DebateArt membership, at your embarrassing expense. The evidence of Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, and the same God in the Old Testament, is as follows, to wit:
Paul portrays Jesus as that God that led Israel out of Egypt to the Promised Land. “For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:1-4)
Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, stated there is only one God, and that is Him: “Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.” (Isaiah 44:8 )
Jesus refers to Himself before the Jews using the same name that He gave Moses at the burning bush. "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM!” (John 8:58 )
JESUS IS YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE!
“But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, was vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)
Who was the “living god" at this time: Jesus
Who was the mystery of godliness: Jesus
Who was revealed in the flesh as God: JesusWho was the mystery of godliness: Jesus
Who was vindicated by the Spirit (3rd part of the Triune): Jesus
Who was seen by the angels: JesusWho was claimed among the nations: Jesus
Who was believed on in the world: Jesus
Who was taken up in glory? (ascension of Jesus in Acts 1:6-11): Jesus
No spin doctoring apologetics or insidious hermeneutics is needed when simply deducing this passage to its irreducible primary, whereas, Jesus is Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament!
"Jesus answered: "Don"t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father, How can you say, "Show us the Father"? (John 14: 9-)
“Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” (1 Corinthians 8:6)
Stephen, do you have some kind of an ungodly fetish, where you get off on being one of the most biblically ignorant members on DebateArt religion forum?
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RationalMadman,
You actually play poker, whereas in the eyes of our Christian God named Jesus, this is blaspheme!
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs." (1 Timothy 6:10)
When was the last time you were pierced with a pang?!
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@Deb-8-a-bull
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Deb-8-a-bull,
Always remember, our Jesus, as the Jewish Yahweh God incarnate, states with specificity that you were born into sin and it unfortunately stays with you until the end. "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." (Psalm 51:5)
Besides, one of the "hooks" of Christianity shows us that it matters not when we TRUE Christians sin at any time, because we are ALWAYS forgiven, therefore there is absolutely no incentive not to sin, because all we have to do is to believe in Jesus, praise! “To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” (Acts 10:43)
With the above being said, FAKE Christians like Catholics, go against Jesus' words in Acts 10:43 and submit themselves to "Sweat Boxes," aka, Confession Booths, where they needlessly talk to a priest that will tell them that their sins are forgiven. Or, they pray to Jesus for forgiveness, all the while being blatantly ignorant of Act 10:43.
It takes balls to be a TRUE Christian like myself in the 21st century, praise Jesus!
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Harikrish,
WOW! You are testing my faith in Jesus, as if what I have proposed regarding my Jesus being a serial killer wasn't enough, you come forth with more discomforting notions about Him. I feel the ice cracking beneath me relative to my faith, but I still need to TRY and believe in TRUE Christianity, even though our leader, Jesus the Christ, is shown in such a factual bad way. Whew!
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
Nobody gives a rats ass in what you assume to believe relative to my presence upon DebateArt, where I see you and the ever so equally inept of biblical knowledge, Dr. C&P Franklin, are together. As it has been easily shown by me and many others, you are as bible ignorant as Doc Frank!
Your latest bible SLAP DOWN by me has been given to you AGAIN at the following link:
You are making the correct decision by not even getting close to discussing the topic of this thread, but only to add your trivial chatter, because as shown ad infinitum by myself and others, your bible ignorance has no bounds!
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@Stephen
Stephen,
YOUR QUOTE AGAIN: "It seems to me that the single factor that allows all of the divergent creeds of Christianity to speak as one in agreement, it is the testament given to Jesus' unique status ascribed to him, his crucifixion and resurrection by the New Testament. Anything else is up for interpretation...."
So, you AGAIN are saying that Christianity "speaks as one" in agreement of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, but you leave out the biblical axioms that there're contradictions to this godly act that I have shown, AND, that when Jesus came back to life in three days, then He really didn't die in a true sacrifice for mankind's sin! GET IT? HUH?
Therefore, how can Christians speak as one as you propose in agreement with said CONTRADICTIONS to the crucifixion and resurrection? Does the Christian choose Mark 15:21 over John 19:17, whether Jesus had His cross carried, or He carried it Himself? Does the Christian choose Mark 15:25 over John 19:14-15 in what hour Jesus was crucified? HOW CAN CHRISTIANS SPEAK AS ONE IN AGREEMENT TO THESE BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS?!
Then you have Jesus coming back to life in three days, therefore how can He be purported to have died for mankind's sin when He still lives? Listen up, if the crucifixion and resurrection are the foundation of Christianity, then when this narrative is full of CONTRADICTIONS, it falls flat upon its face!!
YOUR QUOTE SHOWING DEBATEART THAT YOU REMOVED ONE FOOT TO INSERT THE OTHER: "The point being that all devout Christians, no matter what their denomination will all agree that he - Jesus - was the son of god, he was crucified and was resurrected.
Like I have said before in your case, I have never seen a person as biblically IGNORANT as you! Christians of different divisions of the faith WILL NOT ALL AGREE like you erroneously propose, in that Jesus was the Son of God!!!!! 47 of the top 50 divisions of Christianity are TRINITARIAN, meaning that Jesus is NOT the Son of God, but Yahweh God incarnate! Therefore, your insidious notion falls flat upon its proverbial face in your further embarrassment!
Here is the biggest irony that I have seen in a long time, and that is you stated that you knew more about the scriptures than I will ever live to know, but as blatantly shown, you are stumbling all over yourself in the fact that YOU DO NOT KNOW MORE THAN ME AND OTHERS HERE AT DEBATEART! Your bible ignorance has absolutely no bounds, therefore you LIED when you stated that you knew more than me! How embarrassing for you once again. :(
Stephen, again you are excused as being as ignorant as Dr. C&P Franklin relative to the JUDEO-Christian bible.
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@Dr.Franklin
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Dr. C&P Franklin,
Shhhhhhhh, I need a break from your blatant biblical ignorance and true modus operandi here on DebateArt.
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.Yes, I know that our Jesus was not all loving and forgiving, but I feel it necessary to inform the FAKE Christians of this fact so we do not forget His true horrific modus operandi within the scriptures. This is what differentiates a TRUE Christian like myself in accepting this fact, verse a FAKE Christian like 99.99% of Christians on DebateArt that do not accept Jesus being a SOB at times.
“Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.” (Matthew 11:20-30)
TRUE Christians, the following are other horrific examples of our beloved Jesus to date showing His "other side" within the scriptures that we just have to accept in the 21st century.
Jesus as an outright brutal serial killing abortionist:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2254/true-christians-have-to-accept-that-jesus-was-an-abortionist
Jesus as a murderer of innocent zygotes, fetus,' babies and children:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2165/true-christians-have-to-accept-that-our-jesus-as-god-was-evil
Jesus states that we can own slaves, and beat them if necessary:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2270/jesus-precludes-that-true-christians-can-own-slaves?page=1&post_number=1
Like I have said countless times, it is truly hard to be a TRUE Christian in the 21st century, especially when showing biblical axioms of our Jesus stated herein. Nonetheless, we have a glorious Heaven to look forward too, where we can talk in eternity to our serial killer Jesus upon our arrival, praise!
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@Harikrish
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Harikrish,
YOUR QUOTE: "But do we have your vote on making Black Slavery trend again?"
Since my Jesus purports that TRUE Christians can own slaves to begin with, and beat them if necessary, it matters not to me the color of their skin. Like I proposed within this thread, TRUE Christians should avail themselves to the US Southern borders and take possession of South American immigrants as their slaves. In this process, it would save the US government the cost of impounding these immigrants, and uphold Jesus' biblical axiom of being able to own slaves, a "twofer" so to speak, praise Jesus' direct words!
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@Dr.Franklin
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Dr. C&P Franklin,
Regarding your post #47 above, thank you for proving Harikrish's point so well in his post #46 relative to you. We didn't expect anything less.
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@Dr.Franklin
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Dr. C&P Franklin,
YOUR GRASPING FOR STRAWS QUOTE: "Head long means the head is important, bad iconoclast"
Would it be possible for you to give me a break to your blatant biblical ignorance? It would certainly be appreciated. Thank you.
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
Once again pertaining to your outright biblical ignorance in your post listed below, I have to once again CORRECT you!
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2289/marcionism?page=1&post_number=14
YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Although the Christ mentions his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities.”
I thought you said that you knew more about the bible than I will ever live to know, remember? Therefore, why do you continue to add more proverbial egg to your face by continuing to be totally bible ignorant?!
The TRUE Christian does know who the Father is, and that is Jesus, as a part of the Triune Doctrine in being Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament. Earth to Stephen, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?
“But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)
“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8)
“Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)
YOUR CONTINUING BIBLE IGNORANCE AT YOUR EXPENSE: “ Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament? Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.”
Oh, my, I have seen the bible ignorant of Jesus’ creation before, but YOU take the cake! The OT and NT are connected with the
SAME GOD!. When the term “God” appears in the New Testament, it is referring to Yahweh of the Old Testament writings, which in turn, is referring to Jesus as being Yahweh God incarnate. Here, let me help your complete bible ignorance once again with the following passage showing that Jesus is in the Old Testament as Yahweh God, okay?
JESUS STATED: “Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you had believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?” (John 5:45-47)
GET IT? HUH? If Moses spoke of Jesus, then most certainly Jesus is not only Yahweh God incarnate, but in turn, CHRISTIANS DID KEEP THE ANCIENT YAHWEH AS THEIR GOD! 2+2=4, OIL AND WATER DON’T MIX, AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST BIBLE IGNORNAT OF ANY PERSON THAT I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS!
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2289/marcionism?page=1&post_number=14
YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Although the Christ mentions his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities.”
I thought you said that you knew more about the bible than I will ever live to know, remember? Therefore, why do you continue to add more proverbial egg to your face by continuing to be totally bible ignorant?!
The TRUE Christian does know who the Father is, and that is Jesus, as a part of the Triune Doctrine in being Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament. Earth to Stephen, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?
“But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)
“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8)
“Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)
YOUR CONTINUING BIBLE IGNORANCE AT YOUR EXPENSE: “ Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament? Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.”
Oh, my, I have seen the bible ignorant of Jesus’ creation before, but YOU take the cake! The OT and NT are connected with the
SAME GOD!. When the term “God” appears in the New Testament, it is referring to Yahweh of the Old Testament writings, which in turn, is referring to Jesus as being Yahweh God incarnate. Here, let me help your complete bible ignorance once again with the following passage showing that Jesus is in the Old Testament as Yahweh God, okay?
JESUS STATED: “Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you had believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?” (John 5:45-47)
GET IT? HUH? If Moses spoke of Jesus, then most certainly Jesus is not only Yahweh God incarnate, but in turn, CHRISTIANS DID KEEP THE ANCIENT YAHWEH AS THEIR GOD! 2+2=4, OIL AND WATER DON’T MIX, AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST BIBLE IGNORNAT OF ANY PERSON THAT I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS!
Please don't make me "Bible Slap" you again, agreed? Thank you. Stephen, your continued BIBLE IGNORANCE is excused once again, at your expense.
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
Oh, oh, your bible ignorance is showing again!
Strong's Concordance, that you obviously never knew existed until I brought it forth, states with specificity that the term "HATE" means just that, it is "HATE." Therefore Jesus said one has to HATE their family to be able to follow Him. Understood?
YOUR ONE OF MANY EMBARRASSING QUOTES: "You are obviously fixated and insistent on the point of "LITERAL INTERPRETATION", and that we should, without question take the bible "LITERALLY"
Ok, so confirm these few anomalies for us all 'brother'
Did a man, brutally beaten, speared and murdered, "LITERALLY" die and then "LITERALLY" come back to life again after three days?
Did Jesus "LITERALLY" raise a three day old stinking rotting and decaying body from the dead?
Did Jesus' mother Mary "LITERALLY" conceive a child while "LITERALLY" still a virgin?
Did Jesus " LITERALLY " walk on water?
Did Jesus"LITERALLY" heal ten people of the fatal disease leprosy just by saying six words?
Did Jesus "LITERALLY" feed over 9,000 people with a handful of loves and bucket of fish?
Did Jesus "LITERALLY" cure a blind man by saying just ten words?
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To your bible questions above, I answer in the affirmative. To your disdain, and complete biblical ignorance, they are called MIRACLES, get it?
Now, if you want to continue to show everyone that what is within the Bible to you is wrong, then go right ahead at your expense. The TRUE Christian does not have a foundation of telling Jesus' inspired words that they are incorrect. Do you understand this simple premise? The JUDEO-Christian bible is what it is, and if you don't like it's total content, then you do not become a Christian. 2+2=4.
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
YOUR LAUGHABLE QUOTE: "So, again, fk you 'brother', I know more about these scriptures than you will ever live to know."
Barring your "little whiny boy potty mouth," that has to precede you when you feel yourself upon shaky ground, you proffered that you know more about the Bible then I will ever live to know? Huh? Then why did you leave out your total embarrassment when I had to correct your bible ignorance in my post #33 to you relative to Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection????!!!!
Here, let's relive the part that you conveniently left out in your assumed refutation in your post #37 because I had shown you to be as bible ignorant as Dr. C&P Franklin, okay?
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YOUR QUOTE: " .... Christianity to speak as one in agreement, it is the testament given to Jesus' unique status ascribed to him, his crucifixion and resurrection by the New Testament."
Again, your biblical ignorance stands out! If you state that Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection is in agreement with Christians, then this is done with further embarrassment, where once again you remove one foot to insert the other.
Does Jesus Drink Wine or Vinegar?:
Mark 15:23 - Jesus is given wine mixed with myrrh, but he doesn’t drink
Matthew 27:48, Luke 23:36 - Jesus is given vinegar, but he doesn’t drink
John 19:29-30 - Jesus is given vinegar, and he drinks
Who Carried Jesus’ Cross?
Mark 15:21, Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26 - Jesus gets help from Simon of Cyrene
John 19:17 - Jesus carries his cross the whole way
When Was Jesus Crucified?
Mark 15:25 - Jesus was crucified on the “third hour.”
John 19:14-15 - Jesus was crucified on the “sixth hour.”
Furthermore, relative to the resurrection that is embarrassing to the true believers as shown in the contradictions above, is the fact that JESUS DID NOT DIE for the sins of the world because He came back to life after 3 days! This is hardly a sacrifice to hang one's hat upon, where our soldiers in wars that were murdered as well, are the real sacrifices! Therefore, if Jesus did not really die in a true sacrifice situation, then we cannot say that Jesus DIED FOR OUR SINS, therefore there is no salvation! Get it? Huh?
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STEPHEN, YOU CAN NOW WIPE THE PROVERBIAL EGG FROM YOUR FACE ONE AGAIN, WHERE YOU ARE WHO YOU PRETEND TO BE, AND THAT IS JUST ANOTHER MEMBER OF THIS FORUM THAT "THINKS," I REPEAT, "THINKS" THEY KNOW THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE, BUT AS SHOWN ABOVE IN EMBARRASSMENT, YOU DO NOT! THERE CAN NEVER BE AN AGREEMENT AMONGST CHRISTIANS REGARDING JESUS' CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION BECAUSE OF SHOWN CONTRADICTIONS, AND JESUS NOT TOTALLY DYING FOR AN ALLEGED SACRIFICE, WHERE ONE REMAINS DEAD TO A REAL SACRIFICE! UNDERSTOOD? YES? MAYBE?
You are excused once again in total and complete embarrassment.
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@Harikrish
Harikrish,
As if Dr. C&P Franklins biblical ignorance wasn't enough when I am in discussion with him, then you add to his modus operandi other incidences shown in your post #44 that are embarrassing as well, therefore, can we expect in either Dr. Franklin leaving DebateArt, or changing his moniker to save further embarrassment?
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keithprosser,
Subjectively, early Christians severely screwed up when they kept the brutal serial killer Yahweh as the same God within the New Testament. Then to make matters even worse, when Jesus is considered Yahweh God incarnate, then Jesus is held culpable for ALL of the drastic murders Yahweh accomplished within the Old Testament. Trying to align the Old and New Testaments is daunting to say the least.
Facetiously, the Christian faction stole Yahweh from His true followers, the Hebrews:
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@Stephen
Stephen,
YOUR SUPER IGNORANT QUOTE: "I don't agree. I have said I don't agree many times and have also said that I believe it clearly to be idiomatic. You don't accept this. Ok, so what? . You are not catching on are you; I don't fkn care."
NEWSFLASH! Stephen is the only one that I know that disagrees with the NUMBER ONE WEBSITE, the Strong's Concordance of biblical wording in Greek and Hebrew, in its true definition of Luke 14:26 in regards to the word "HATE," meaning just that, it is HATE! (Post #20)
Stephen, this is a day to remember for sure, but yet you won't tell us where you get the authority to know more than Strongs Concordance of showing Greek and Hebrew words that were used within the Bible in certain passages, and their DIRECT ABSOLUTE MEANINGS! Are we too await a new book written by you that will supersede Strongs Concordance? LOL!
Unfortunately, it looks like Stephen will continue his biblical ignorance, whereas, I will have to correct him again in the future.
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@keithprosser
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keithprosser,
YOUR QUOTE: "The author of Revelation did not expect his writings to be appended to the other books of the bible, so his words surely only apply to the book of revelation, not the whole bible!"
It matters not, because of the following godly passage:
“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5) Every word includes the words in the book of Revelation, with no decoder rings or insipid apologetics needed.
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@Dr.Franklin
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Dr. C&P Franklin,
YOUR UNFORTUNATE QUOTE: "When you get hung and then fall on your head, what's the contradiciction"
Why do you continue to show yourself as uneducated?
HEADLONG: plunging headfirst, with the head foremost; headfirst, a headlong dive into the pool.
Now, unless Judas hung himself from his feet upside down, which could hardly be done, then your statement may be true in the sense of the term "headlong!" Otherwise, it was stated in Acts that Judas bought some land and fell "headlong" into it, and his guts gushed out! GET IT YET???
Accept the godly FACT that our bible contradicts itself, period!
You are excused.
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@Stephen
Stephen,
YOUR QUOTE: "Says the man who doesn't know his Ark from his arse."
What part of my statement to you didn't YOU understand, in that I was "testing the thread" to see if anyone was paying attention?! I said you passed the test in flying colors, remember? If this ruse is all you have to use in hiding from your ignorance of the Bible, then I feel sorry for you!
YOUR QUOTE: " .... Christianity to speak as one in agreement, it is the testament given to Jesus' unique status ascribed to him, his crucifixion and resurrection by the New Testament."
Again, your biblical ignorance stands out! If you state that Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection is in agreement with Christians, then this is done with further embarrassment, where once again you remove one foot to insert the other.
Does Jesus Drink Wine or Vinegar?:
Mark 15:23 - Jesus is given wine mixed with myrrh, but he doesn’t drink
Matthew 27:48, Luke 23:36 - Jesus is given vinegar, but he doesn’t drink
John 19:29-30 - Jesus is given vinegar, and he drinks
Mark 15:21, Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26 - Jesus gets help from Simon of Cyrene
John 19:17 - Jesus carries his cross the whole way
Mark 15:25 - Jesus was crucified on the “third hour.”
John 19:14-15 - Jesus was crucified on the “sixth hour.”
Furthermore, relative to the resurrection that is embarrassing to the true believers as shown in the contradictions above, is the fact that JESUS DID NOT DIE for the sins of the world because He came back to life after 3 days! This is hardly a sacrifice to hang one's hat upon, where our soldiers in wars that were murdered as well, are the real sacrifices! Therefore, if Jesus did not really die in a true sacrifice situation, then we cannot say that Jesus DIED FOR OUR SINS, therefore there is no salvation! Get it? Huh?
ANOTHER IGNORANT QUOTE FROM YOU: "So I don't think you are in any position to claim the biblical moral high ground over anyone who has an opinion concerning these scriptures."
I most certainly can claim the biblical moral high ground here at DebateArt as a TRUE Christian. This is because I accept ALL of the Bible for what it is, and follow it to the letter, except certain parts where Jesus orders the killing of others. I am able to call out FAKE Christians for what they are that do not follow the Bible in the godly manner that I do, which totals 99.99% of the Christians on DebateArt!
I will continue to correct your outright Biblical ignorance, and unfortunately, at your expense.
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@Dr.Franklin
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Dr. C&P Franklin,
YOUR CONTINUED IGNORANCE QUOTE: "Exactly, God doesn't contradict, it's 2+2, Judas hung and then embowelment happened"
READ THE TWO JUDAS PASSAGES AGAIN, HELLO?
Matthew 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.
Now, take off your pointed aluminum foil hat and THINK! Judas hanged himself in Matthew, THEN, in Acts he fell HEADLONG and burst open for his guts to fall out, GET IT? The two situations cannot be the same. To fall HEADLONG is to fall head first, using ones head to dive into something, hardly the case if one fell from a hanging tree. Furthermore, in Acts it DOES NOT say that Judas hung himself, it only says he just dove HEADLONG into his purchased field and his guts fell out!
The sooner you realize that our bible contradicts itself, the sooner you will not be laughed at by TRUE Christians like myself in you trying in vain to rewrite the scriptures, understood?!
Once again, you are blatantly guilty of the following passage: "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19)
You are excused once again in embarrassment.
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@disgusted
Disgusted,
YOUR QUOTE TO STEPHEN: "Too afraid to respond to my post? I'm not surprised."
Within the same context, STEPHEN has failed to address my post #20, other than to RUN AWAY from it, that shows explicitly that the term HATE in Luke 14:26 means exactly what it says, and that is HATE! Therefore, as I have shown ad infinitum, my Jesus was in fact a real SOB at times!
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As is blatantly and embarrassingly shown, DR. C&P FRANKLIN cannot in any way discuss the FACT that Jesus says the TRUE Christian can own slaves. He has struck out once again in front of the membership of DebateArt!
Who will be the Christian that can actually discuss Jesus' notion with me that we can actually own slaves, and beat them if necessary? Anyone?
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@janesix
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Janesix,
YOUR QUOTE: "Because I feel the presence of God."
Again, how do you determine the presence of a God concept, over the natural feelings in a secular way of an overwhelming experience that everyone can feel, religious or not? Then to be logically true to form, without speculation, subsequent to it known that it is truly a God concept that is giving you these spiritual experiences, one has to determine which God is causing them. Obviously one would want to know the name of this God to be able to give it credit, and possibly worship it in return.
Rationally, there are no free rides to your quote above, otherwise, it is useless chaff that is to be laughed at, and at your expense.
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@Athias
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Athias,
Your blatant ignorance regarding your comical faith in your post #75 has no bounds! With specificity, there is no Strawman involved just because of your lack of knowledge about your own faith subsequent to stepping in the proverbial poo! Maybe you should read about it FIRST before you accept its embarrassing doctrine? Yes? LOL
Again, you are who you pretend to be, and without knowledge of your pagan faith, priceless embarrassment at your expense!
NEXT?
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@Dr.Franklin
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Dr. C&P Franklin,
You are in my thread where Jesus promotes owning slaves. Now, address the topic of the thread, and DO NOT runaway from it, understood? You are known for always running away from biblical axioms as a FAKE Christian, therefore, the members of DebateArt are watching you.
Since Jesus says owning slaves is okay, would you like to own a slave? If the slave got out of line, would you be able to beat it as Jesus so states? Would you pay your slave minimum wages, or a higher wage? What say you? Remember, Jesus is watching you, so again, DO NOT runaway from His true words! (Hebrew 4:13)
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@Athias
Athias,
Your response to my question of Logically and rationally, which God does matter was: "all Gods."
As if your faith isn't muddled enough, then when you proffer that ALL GODS are the cause of your beliefs, then said Gods of the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Age ALL CONTRADICT each other in their said doctrines! Therefore, your foundation of your belief is comical at best because of the logical ramifications of this fact!
Your faith deduces to "Who's on first, and what's on second, and I don't know is pitching, which is as laughable as this comedy skit.
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@janesix
Miss Janesix,
You state with specificity that you don’t have enough information about which alleged God is giving you these alleged “spiritual experiences,” but yet you are precluding that a God concept is giving said experiences to you. “Moving experiences” in this context are given to all human beings without the term “spiritual” and a God concept behind it. Therefore, how do you determine whether it is a godly spiritual experience, or just a natural moving experience?
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@disgusted
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Disgusted,
YOUR VAIN ATTEMPT IN ANSWERING MY POST TO YOU: "The mythical words of the mythical Jesus god. Bwuahahahahahaha. Pass.
The abject fear of death. bwuahahahahahahah
The irony is the fact that you can't prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Jesus' words are mythical, therefore your position is in vain.
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@janesix
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janesix,
YOUR AMBIGUOUS QUOTE: "I am a theist of no particular faith or religion. I believe in a personal god, due to religious and spiritual experiences. I used to be an atheist materialist until I had my spiritual experiences."
Huh? You believe in a “personal god” that gave you spiritual experiences? Then how do you know which alleged God gave you these alleged spiritual experiences, and how do you differentiate these experiences from just being natural to human beings and not religious at all? Case in point, Atheists can have an equal "experience" in how unbelievable a sunset is, without it being spiritual in nature with a god concept behind it.
You seem to be in a subjective smorgasbord of picking and choosing your god concept without any foundation whatsoever other than alleged "spiritual experiences" which do not need a God concept whatsoever.
Huh? You believe in a “personal god” that gave you spiritual experiences? Then how do you know which alleged God gave you these alleged spiritual experiences, and how do you differentiate these experiences from just being natural to human beings and not religious at all? Case in point, Atheists can have an equal "experience" in how unbelievable a sunset is, without it being spiritual in nature with a god concept behind it.
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@mustardness
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mustardness,
YOUR QUOTE: "End Part 1"
Let us hope that there is no "Part 2" for the sake of being put to sleep again.
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@janesix
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janesix,
YOUR IGNORANT QUOTE: "Why do those particular gods matter?"
The embarrassing fact that your biography page is SILENT upon anything about you, and especially if you are a member of a church or a particular faith, therefore, to save time, II cannot answer you until you tell me the above information.
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Wait a minute, I just thought of solution to the immigration problem on the Southern border of the United States!
Since Jesus says that TRUE Christians can own slaves, and unfortunately beat them if necessary, I wonder if some fellow TRUE Christians could get a consortium together and head down to the Southern border and retrieve a lot of the immigrants coming in from Mexico, and then give them shelter and make them slaves! It would be a "twofer" for the immigrants, in that they would be fed and watered and be out of a dangerous country that they fled from, and at the same time, they would be servants, aka, slaves, to TRUE Christians as Jesus proposes in Luke 12: 47-48, praise Jesus for such enlightenment!
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@TheAtheist
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The Atheist,
If you had experience, which you obviously do not, it does matter in which of the remaining Bronze, Iron, and Middle Age gods one believes in.
Unfortunately, I can't be everywhere in helping one with their debate tactics, therefore, I will watch you give up a great opportunity. :(
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@Harikrish
Harikrish,
OMG! With a dossier that you have shown regarding the exposed FAKE Christian, Dr. C&P Franklin, the embarrassment may be overwhelming for him, therefore, we can only expect a moniker name change by him to save further embarrassment. Sad indeed.
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@Athias
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Athias,
Since your comical Confucianism revolves around the pursuit of the unity of the individual self AND the God of Heaven, I will ask you which one of the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Ages God does your belief believe in? This is a very simple question, even though “The Atheist” can’t address it thus far regarding my post #34 to him.
Logically and rationally, which God does matter, get it?
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@disgusted
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Disgusted,
YOUR QUOTE: "How can your god contradict himself if he is omniscient?"
WOW! I am amazed that as a Hell bound Atheist, you actually knew that Jesus was omniscient! “In whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.” (1 John 3:20)
In any event, Jesus can do whatever the Hell He wants, understood? Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, tests us TRUE Christians at times to see if we're paying attention to His TRUE words within the scriptures, and that I have started topics upon, where my latest one is that we Christians can own slaves, praise!
Furthering your bible ignorance along, this passage comes to the forefront: "For you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. (James 1:3) Therefore, Jesus gave us two stories of the way the "Rat Fink" Judas died. It matters not in which way Judas died, but the fact that to become "steadfast" in our faith, our Jesus was obviously "testing" us! Get it? Huh?
Upon my demise, and if I go first, I will gain solace in Heaven as I look down upon your Judgment Day as our Jesus pulls the lever to the trap doors of Hell in your behalf, praise Jesus' revenge!
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Heaven exists, because none other than the words of Jesus the Christ says it does within the scriptures, period!
“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:11)
Since our Jesus went to heaven 2000+ years ago, as shown in the passage above, and just because He has yet to return like He said He would within the generation of the living at the time, He still purports that there is a Heaven, praise!
We TRUE Christians have to understand that every word of our Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, is true! “EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)
Deducing it down to the irreducible primary, our glorious Heaven exists, whereas if it didn't, there is absolutely no reason to be a Christian. Furthermore, thank Jesus that there will be NO WOMEN in our paradise of Heaven, praise!
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@TheAtheist
The Atheist,
YOUR QUOTE: "Guys, guys, what are you doing here? I made this topic for theists to explain to us why they believe in God. This isn't about whether theism is valid or whether there is evidence that God exists. Only post what is relevant to the topic: "why do you believe in God?"
Before any theist will render a decision on whether we believe in God, it must be ascertained FIRST AND FOREMOST which God you are talking about, understand? It is really not that hard to pick out which God of the three that are left from the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Age!
Now, with that being said, which God are you talking about; Yahweh, Jesus, or Allah? Very simple math, that I think an Atheist can understand.
My God of the Christian faith is Jesus of the Triune Doctrine! Get it?
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@disgusted
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Disgusted,
Yes, the Bible CONTRADICTS itself, so what? We TRUE Christians like myself accept this fact and move on. Why? Because a life of eternity with Jesus the Christ in heaven far outweighs any biblical contradiction that may present itself within the scriptures, get it?
“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)
When every word of our Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate is flawless, then both stories of the way Judas died is true! 2+2=4.
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This post is a continued series of showing our beloved Jesus in His true bible modus operandi, and that is being an outright brutal serial killer when being Yahweh God incarnate, along with other seemingly distasteful acts of what He says the TRUE Christians can do in His name, but we love Him anyway, praise!
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves, aka, servants, even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong. Therefore, if slavery is good enough for Jesus, then we TRUE Christians should follow suit and acquire a slave and beat them if necessary as well. JESUS SAID: “The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48)
Now, if a FAKE Christian says that what Jesus proposed above doesn’t count because it is a parable, does not hold water, period! This is because the passage of Luke 12:47-48 is attributed to Jesus, the passage above is stated by Jesus as an ongoing act, the passage is precluded by Jesus that it is okay to own slaves in the first place, and beat them if necessary. Last but not least, does any FAKE Christian want to argue that the true words of Jesus in this case are wrong, in essentially calling Him a LIAR?
TRUE Christians, the following are other horrific examples of our beloved Jesus to date:
Jesus as an outright brutal serial killing abortionist
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2254/true-christians-have-to-accept-that-jesus-was-an-abortionist
Jesus as a murderer of innocent zygotes, fetus,' babies and children
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2165/true-christians-have-to-accept-that-our-jesus-as-god-was-evil
Like I have said countless times, it is truly hard to be a TRUE Christian in the 21st century, especially when showing biblical axioms of our Jesus stated herein. Nonetheless, we have a glorious Heaven to look forward too, where we can talk to our serial killer Jesus upon our arrival, praise!
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves, aka, servants, even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong. Therefore, if slavery is good enough for Jesus, then we TRUE Christians should follow suit and acquire a slave and beat them if necessary as well. JESUS SAID: “The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48)
Now, if a FAKE Christian says that what Jesus proposed above doesn’t count because it is a parable, does not hold water, period! This is because the passage of Luke 12:47-48 is attributed to Jesus, the passage above is stated by Jesus as an ongoing act, the passage is precluded by Jesus that it is okay to own slaves in the first place, and beat them if necessary. Last but not least, does any FAKE Christian want to argue that the true words of Jesus in this case are wrong, in essentially calling Him a LIAR?
TRUE Christians, the following are other horrific examples of our beloved Jesus to date:
Jesus as an outright brutal serial killing abortionist
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2254/true-christians-have-to-accept-that-jesus-was-an-abortionist
Jesus as a murderer of innocent zygotes, fetus,' babies and children
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2165/true-christians-have-to-accept-that-our-jesus-as-god-was-evil
Like I have said countless times, it is truly hard to be a TRUE Christian in the 21st century, especially when showing biblical axioms of our Jesus stated herein. Nonetheless, we have a glorious Heaven to look forward too, where we can talk to our serial killer Jesus upon our arrival, praise!
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@Harikrish
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Harikrish,
Since my bible says that I can own slaves, I wonder if some fellow TRUE Christians could get a consortium together and head down to the Southern border of the United States and retrieve a lot of the immigrants coming in from Mexico, and then give them shelter and make them slaves!
It would be a "twofer" for the immigrants in that they would be fed and watered and be out of a dangerous country that they fled from, and at the same time, they would be servants to TRUE Christians, praise!
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As we have embarrassingly seen, Dr. C&P Franklin CANNOT address Jesus being an outright abortionist and uses a myriad of excuses to RUN AWAY from this biblical axiom as he continues to show everyone that he is a FAKE Christian!
Like I have said, I have accepted that our Jesus is a brutal abortionist as explained in Hosea 9:11-16, therefore He is not ever loving and forgiving as many FAKE Christians say He is in many cases. It is truly hard to be a TRUE Christian when our Jesus shows Himself to be a horrific murderer of innocent fetus' and babies, but I go on anyway in the hopes of obtaining our glorious Heaven at the end of my earthly existence, praise our abortionist Jesus!
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@Stephen
Stephen,
YOUR COMICAL QUOTE: " I just don't don't agree with your explanation you clown"
WHAT? You have the audacity to state that the number one biblical lexicon of the JUDEO-Christian bible, being Strong's Biblical Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon, regarding Luke 14:26 is WRONG? Where does your bible ignorance end?
I feel it as my duty to give you link to a Christians Children Forum, where trust me, you will feel more comfortable with your total bible ignorance: http://www.forumchristian.org/chidren
You can thank me later.
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@Stephen
Stephen,
What is the big deal, the Bible is full of blatant CONTRADICTIONS, and you're just figuring this out? LOL!
TRUE Christians have to accept this fact, and just move on because we're in the hopes of a life of eternity walking around Heaven all day long with Jesus, just walking and talking with Jesus, forever, all the time walking and talking about Jesus, consoling with others that we made it to Heaven, where others are burning in Hell!
I personally will joke with Jesus in saying to Him: "Hey Jesus, what are you doing up here in Heaven because so many of your Jewish followers are waiting for your eventful 2nd coming, where it has been 2000 years plus!" Do you think that Jesus will smile at my joke?
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@rosends
Rosends,
I have shown the aforementioned entities, but obviously your vacant intellect won't allow you to realize this fact.
You are excused, for now.
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
Why are you running away from your bible ignorance relative to Luke 14:26 that I have shown? Do you actually think that we don't see you running as fast as you can with your non sequitur excuse? Or, is it you can't address my post and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath? Which is it, FAKE Christian?
Whats your next lame excuse going to be for running away from my post #20 ???
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