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@drafterman
While Eikka assesses the integrity of the boards I pull out my dagger and begin using it in an attempt to pry the floorboards up.
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@drafterman
(awwww dang, well back to the drawing board then lol)
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@drafterman
(wouldn't this be more of an investigation check? Would i be able to impart the pattern to others if correct and guarantee their safe passage or otherwise make it more likely?)
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@Vaarka
Also, did you know Chris Jericho(yes the wrestler 😂) is the frontman for a band? Name of it is Fozzy and they're not too shabby tbh.
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@Vaarka
You seeing anyone? Done anything fun lately?
Yes and yes. Was recently at a festival in Madison. it was pretty fun. Good music too, Boba Flex was one of the headlining acts 👍
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@drafterman
I move out into the hallway where Eikka and Lux are and examine the blades in the doorway downstairs to the third floor trying to discern any pattern. I use inspiration if necessary.
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@secularmerlin
@kindertina
(Honestly we should dash back down and up thru the first floor where roberts and Earth exited if the floor can't be broke thru, or i cant figure out a way thru with the investigation with advantage roll.
Kindertina could assist me in doing it so we gain an extra d20 for the assist. So 3 total rolls choosing yhe highest cause roll+inspiration+assist?)
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@secularmerlin
(can only use it on one thing at a time as an action.)
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@Vaarka
We should probably stop posting though. DP technically ended about a half hour ago even if TUF hasn't officially closed it
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@Vaarka
Basically, whoever's town and wasn't TR'ing hammer needs to take a step back and realize they just played like a clueless noob.
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@Vaarka
Definitely would prefer a lynch.
I would too, but asking for an extension isn't merited fmpov considering every player has posted, even if certain ones to a minimal degree.
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@Vaarka
even a VTNL is better than a regular no-lynch; it at least shows that town is working together towards something
True, a VTNL DP1 is still poor play regardless, just slightly less. It's basically a pile of shit with glitter thrown on it. Still doesn't change that its a pile of doo doo
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Guess who is prolly going to stay alive? The same people who are being voted for today? Guess whats going to happen tomorrow? The same arguments regarding why the above people should be lynched. Again, what people who weren't TR'ing Hammer did was hurt town and leave the only measure of read accuracy up to mafia to decide.
Now we only see what they want us to see. It's not indicative of affiliation to not want to lynch a null read in favor of not lynching anyone. It's just poor effing play.
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Unofficial Vote Count
Drafterman (2/5) - Supadudz, Rational
TheHammer (3/5) - Buddamoose, Drafterman, Vaarka
Supadudz (1/5) - TheHammer
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@Vaarka
one minute, we need a hammerDanielle where are you
Nah, we're two votes away, not one. I could understand arguing against lynching a TR, but arguing against lynching a null or otherwise when we lose a potential maximum lynch regardless is just frustrating AF.
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On top of that, Drafter could have a power role because, per your own view, he is refusing to claim. Yet here you are, voting for him..
Refusing to or otherwise unwilling to claim to your pressure. You did the same at L-3 as well, that is, were unwilling to claim.
So it's town when you do it, town when Hammer does it, but not town when drafter does it? Again, selective application..
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On top of that, Drafter could have a power role because, per your own view, he is refusing to claim. Yet here you are, voting for him..
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if hammer is town he's a pr based on not wanting to out.
Or he could not have wanted to claim because early claiming non pr's unpressured benefits scum majoritively. Pressured it is like a 50/50 benefit. And again, I don't really care about power roles or potential thereof when analyzing behavior.
In most cases, "they could have a power role if they're town" is true. If that were a reason to not pressure or lynch then town effectively gets nowhere. You can care about potential power roles people may have, that's fine. I don't, I focus primarily on behavior and partially theme, so this point doesn't much matter to me.
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Lynch hammer and we can do any due reconsiderations based upon that flip and the NK tomorrow
With just the NK flip all we have to do definitively gauge at that point would be what mafia wants us to gauge. We want a flip that's not totally the decision of mafia, so as to not be lead into any erroneous conclusions based off flips.
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Instead of 3 ml's before a loss, it's 2 before a loss. We have a short amount of time, Lynch hammer and we can do any due reconsiderations based upon that flip and the NK tomorrow.
That is, assumingthe game is the standard 1/3-1/4 ratio, so 7 v 2.
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@Vaarka
We have 25 minutes to make a lynch, and it looks like Hammer is our best bet.
As before, we should be lynching someone. VTNL'ing hurts town more than ML'ing DP1 because it takes away 1 extra person being eliminated via PoE and always lowers the maximal lynches before LYLO/MYLO by one.
Instead of 3 ml's before a loss, it's 2 before a loss. We have a short amount of time, Lynch hammer and we can do any due reconsiderations based upon that flip and the NK tomorrow.
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@Danielle
Ironically I liked this post by Hammer. It's not indicative of being town, but I do agree with his logic here.
Its not that the logic isnt followable. It's that it's being selectively applied per the given metrics. hinting at advocacy for mass claiming, claiming, and strongarming people into claiming being the supplied actions.
He FOS's someone who was currently being heavily strongarmed into claiming by me, and i outright advocated for a mass claim. Ergo, I should have been scummier and/or far more anti-town in utility, ergo, selective application. His logic is otherwise belied as not making sense as his actions do not match fmpov with his post.
Whether or not you agree or disagree with someones logic is not indicative of affiliation, and i find it puzzling you are presenting it/seem to be taking it as if that's the case. What's indicative is whether or not they are consistently applying it, as that's measure of whether or not they believe it themselves, ergo, not faked.
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I can't see a way through! Break down through the floor. We gotta get to a lower floor so we can get out
I feed the last potion to Luxraxt.
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@Danielle
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@Danielle
Top right of each post box is where the post number is.
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@Danielle
Post 131 is my case, which contains the post which highlights the aforementioned.
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@Danielle
I could compromise with an Earth lynch too, but would prefer Hammer as he's an outright scum read meanwhile Earth is sus
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@Danielle
No, that's not the strongest point. His vote for RM when FOS'ing Supa. Plus post 131 which details how he lacks
- Feasible town motive
- his behavior chiefly benefits mafia
- his rationale is inconsistent in its application aka being selectively applied.
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@Danielle
I do win. The first game I played here was won hugely due to me
He's referring to beginners 1.1, look back at that game and get ready to lul. I was the mod, that's not accurate 😂😂
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Unofficial Vote Count
Drafterman (2/5) - Supadudz, Rational
TheHammer (3/5) - Buddamoose, Drafterman, Vaarka
Supadudz (1/5) - TheHammer
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@Danielle
Nvm, Rational TR'd him because he didn't hammer Rational. But that ignores that hammering Rational that early would lead in all likelihood to Hammers lynch the next day. Mafia generally don't like hammering, it draws attention to them.
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@Danielle
I definitely don't town read Hammer, but I see no reason to lynch him today. He's null
No compromise on lynching him as the only viable lynch target fmpov? As drafter is pointing out, literally nobody is TR'ing him. That's a fair amd compelling point imho.
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@Danielle
Have you chimed on with thoughts on GP yet? We have 30 mins to vote and I g2g soon. I'd prefer to lynch Supa or GP.
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GP: If you didn't have the no cc role claim, I'd put you as susp tooI do like the consistency in application I can see from this though. Not specifically in uncc'd role claim, but CC's in general. Earlier you mentioned that vanilla is not cc'able, ergo suspicious.I may disagree with me being uncc'd in my role claim makes me town. But your FoS on Supa actually is consistent with this if this is one of the primary factors your using thus far in gauging that determination.I'm gonna slide you into the lean town category.
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@secularmerlin
@kindertina
(we could go back down and up through the stairway to the first floor?)
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@secularmerlin
(break the floor out and get down that way.)
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@drafterman
[Intelligence Check: d20 (3) + 2 = 5][Snerp takes 10 slashing damage
But i didnt say I was going to try jumping through them?
I watch the blades and attempt to deduce any such pattern.
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@Danielle
@drafterman
I mean it in a practical sense in terms of generating enough votes. Everyone else I think is split among how people read them. I don't know of anyone that TR's Hammer
I think Danielle mentioned previously she thought he was town. Slipped my mind to ask,
@Danielle- why the town vibe on Hammer?
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note that the 2 going after drafterman are both uncc'd likely-to-be-town characters; Sally more so than Jane.
Selective application. Nolan is an uncc'd likely to be town character. Jane would be more likely town than Sally. Jane is a character that has far less skeletons in her closet and far less complicity in how fucked up the Rayburn family is. Sally is directly complicit, but ultimately acknowledged and tried to make amends for her part in it.
in the people going after hammer, one is an unconfirmed innocent child and the other is a not at all outed individual who has beeen shady and opportunistic all game from bwing me to bwing hammer.
Except if Dudz is credible because he is uncc'd likely to be town character and therefore town, I automatically am credible as well because not only does the same apply to my character but the previously established as credible dudz, said his PM directly mentions my claimed characrer.
Then pointing out bw'ing as itself shady and opportunistic, ignores that townies bw all the time. Bw'ing is not itself scummy, it's bw'img inconsistently, irrationally and/or without reason. That's what makes it shady and opportunistic.
Pot meet kettle. Lord I would be scum reading him so hard if this wasn't par for the course with rational regardless of affiliation.
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I could compromise with Earth or Vaarka.
Im not voting Dudz, I'm not voting Drafter..
Realistically ur prolly not gonna get a lynch on Drafter. Neither me nor Danielle will vote him. If you voted Hammer, then Danielle would probably shortly follow and we'd be at L-1.
The same wouldn't be true of Drafter cause he's a strong TR to Danielle.
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@Vaarka
If you're asking why I say "it seems" a lot, just how I talk
However you want to state it's how you feel. What corroborating evidence beyond that do you suppose could be used to evidence that my use of emojis was done with that supplied motive.
Then, beyond that, is that motive only feasibly something scum would do? Would only mafia seek to discredit others?
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@drafterman
But why even make that comment against someone he town reads? If I'm town, why am I going to go into pages long argument with a person I town read while laying the foundation for reducing their credibility
You may not, others might. My suspicion of the post attacking my credibility is i was and am SR'ing Hammer.
It's consistent with his suspicion of GP. It's not consistent with his posts that imply a willingness to bandwagon to accomplish a lynch. Trying to start ur own wagon with little time left isn't going to accomplish a lynch.
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@Vaarka
It seems
Are things always what they seem? What sort of corroborating evidence do you suppose could be used to determine if the way it seems, is the way it actually is?
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@drafterman
but I'm serious about that" here in post #189.
in that post he wasn't saying he was serious about it being suspicious. He was saying it reduces a person's credibility. He hasn't FOS'd me, by his own logic he can't. But it's interesting that I'm pushing Hammer, whom I haven't seen him give a disposition on.
So you can't make a post that looks like a joke, then claim it's serious, then claim it's a joke again when it works against you. This is part of the FOS that is building up against you, it looks like you're trying to hedge your bets. No matter what anyone says, you have an "out
This is actually looking more and more like the case tbh. I'm moving Vaarka back to null fmpov.. it's still feasible he's town, but ur case is honestly showing i may have been a bit hasty in leaning town on him.
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@Vaarka
My emoji thing was half a joke and half "bro wtf stop overreacting to shit with emojis that's not normal
On the latter, ok? It's normal for me, or have you otherwise missed that I use emojis in near every situation. I like them 👏. How is an emoji an overreaction? And for that matter, how is overreacting something that is indicative of affiliation?
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@drafterman
No Town Reads. He's Scum Read just about everyone:#161 - Earth/Supa#192 - Rather lynch RM than nobody#214 - Budda/Supa#319 - Slight FOS on GP#325 - Danielle/Drafter#328 - More FOS on GPI also note that sometimes he starts off jokingly FOSing someone (Danielle is scum for watching TV, you're scum for using emojis) then develops that into a fullfledged FOS, as if he is testing the waters for an FOS on that person. But really, he's FOS'd 6 out of 9 people
I agree that it looks suspicious, cause it has potential mafia motives that are facially obvious. He could feasibly be doing this in an attempt to gauge reactions though, no? Even if the reactions he's going to gain from his FoS's arent generally going to get telling reactions imho. But less than stellar execution of something doesn't make a person scum fmpov..
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@Danielle
The only thing giving me a town read is that he implied both Nolan and John were referenced in his character description. This suggests that Nolan and John are in the game, giving more credibility to Budda's claim. Supa also seemed to pick up on this and imply Budda is town. @Budda - do you agree with this?
This is true
than we should assume Supa is town, correct?
This is not. If Supa is town it does make me look town. Because I claimed Nolan I think previous to him outlining Nolan is specifically mentioned.
However, if I'm town, that doesn't necessarily make Supa town fmpov? My pm does not mention Jane. Though it is true that Jane and Nolan are at the least from what I've found, friends in the show?
Conversely if Supa is scum, it would put a FOS on Budda. I'm not sure Budda would have "allowed" that poor scum play if they were on a team.
I'm not quite following you on this? Supa as a whole has come across at the least confident in what he is saying and, to put it kindly, somewhat stubborn. Removing that I'm town and toying with how that hypothetical scum team might operate based on what I've seen behaviorally from Supa...
I thimk it wouldnt be whether I would have allowed it, rather, whether or not I would have claimed a character so closely linked to Supas claim.
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