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@Aporia
its Dp1 and we dont yet know how the mod organized affiliation
True... I can't help but feel that my own PM gives a hint to how roles are actually assigned in this game. Cause "always showing up when she's not wanted" seems more a personal disposition on the character. And if there's a character who redeems themselves, but I dont like them. I'm gonna give that character the most suspicious role in the existence of mafia, without it actually doing anything 😂.
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Kai Winn Adami is clearly an antagonist. I do not see how "always showing up when she's not wanted" ties into that character, except in her capacity as a villain type character. From what I'm seeing in reviews, fan discussions, etc. she's an antagonist who people like because she's a complex and shaded antagonist, but an antagonist nonetheless.
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@Greyparrot
post #560 proves selective editing to twist words out of context.
And how was it taken out of context?
My night action is powerless...meaning it does absolutely nothing.
If someone has a power that conflicts with visitors, then I will mess up their results/intentions.
You know, whether or not i include the context, it still looks like something as opposed to nothing.
Also, I wasn't pointing it out as it being scummy, its just funny AF 😂.
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If someone has a power that conflicts with visitors, then I will mess up their results/intentions
Is this to mean you still are effectively like, a hider, but without the "stuff that targets them targets you", or their passive role is blocked? So if you target Supa, Supas role does nothing to you but operates normally otherwise? Or you target Supa, Supas role is blocked?
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KAI WINN ADAMI
A member of a frequently outspoken orthodox order, Winn was steadfastly rooted in her faith even as she proved a shamelessly arrogant and treacherous opportunist. In that regard, she often came into conflict with the Emissary of the Prophets, Benjamin Sisko, who she considered an outsider unworthy of receiving the wisdom of the Prophets. After years of living in Sisko's shadow, however, and a lifetime of never receiving any guidance and affirmation from the Prophets who she had served and sworn allegiance to all her life, she eventually turned against them. However, she realized her error and died trying to undo it.
This doesn't fit either, and is a sus AF character claim if not for the dying trying to undo her error part.
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Meaning it does absolutely nothingsomeone has a power that conflicts with visitors, then I will mess up their results/intentions
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@ArgentTongue
Dude... what? Aporia is kinda asking the questions I'd already be asking, but like, what?
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Hold on a second.... Vaarka has legit harped about editing like consistently, near every time hes present and its done. I think I'm the only one here, who has previously expressed not caring or thinking its a big deal.
He's not gonna point out Wylted consistently doing it?
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@Greyparrot
@Vaarka
@Aporia
please don't edit posts....make a new post and correct if you have to
Why arent you saying this to Wylted? For that matter, why isn't Vaarka?
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@Aporia
I was responding to you asking me about Supa lol
I'm aware 😂
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@ArgentTongue
He was responding to me asking about dudz hombre 😂.
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@Aporia
What did I say to make you move from wanting a full claim from Parrot to you wanting to lynch him?
Without more info from him explaining the inconsistencies in his actions and claim I think he is our lynch today.
Pretty obvious it was this
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@Greyparrot
Oh, that scum will clearly dodge that question.
I answered the question 10 minutes ago. Good job CNN, that's what i call good news reporting 👏.
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@Aporia
I wouldn't think you stopped SR'ing him, but sans you elaborating or indicating, gonna make sure cause that would be telling, if not now, later, fmpov both.
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@Aporia
Are you still SR'ing dudz?
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@Aporia
Unvote VTL Greyparrot
Aporia, hombre, c'mon and sip the kool-aid with the cool kids.
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Vic Fontaine is apparently a hologram. Modeled after old school lounge singers like Sinatra. DS9 crew frequently accessed him and were fond. Is Bsh1 a fan of Sinatra and other "Rat Pack" -esque personalities/musicians?
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@McSloth
We want to know what your reads are on other people, not what you think of anyones capacity to point out scum accurately.
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@Aporia
Post #407 was when i sus'd him first.
Post #416 was when I started SR'ing him.
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So my behavior in US States is different than here.... and that makes me scum?
Inb4- hes gonna act like this means I agreed with him about his portrayal.😂
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@Aporia
treading lightly, buddying, and mostly useless questions.
It's like he doesnt comprehend questions are not intrinsically informative. The questioning doesn't make the scumhunter, its the kinds of questions being asked 😂.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah it was useless banter, but there was some engagement. This game, zero engagement over 200 posts when he actively engaged with everyone else as he made the majority of the postings was highly weird.
So my behavior in US States is different than here.... and that makes me scum?
Also, "zero engagement"
Quite literally please apply at CNN, they would love you.
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@Greyparrot
Do you even understand what OmGuS means? Or are you just pointing it out because i tend to?
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@Greyparrot
How is post #416 not a blatant OMGUS? At least be honest about that.
Because you were SR'ing me way before that. So if the reason for me sus'ing you, was because you are sus'ing me, i would have done that right away, don't you think ya dingus?
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@Greyparrot
Note how almost every post Buddha has made is a claim and not a question
Patently untrue
Buddha also dodges my questions.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black LMAO.
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@Greyparrot
Clearly you would like to reword all my posts,
You don't understand, my synopsis of what you are doing isnt rewording your posts literally. They are descriptions of what your actions and words look like when taken as a whole, and not just in isolation.
If you feel they are innacurate portrayals you are more than welcome to illustrate why. But they do largely apply and I've explained why in most every instance of done it.
Ur pointing out non-tells and trying to act like they're tells at this point. At first I was chalking it up to your reasoning generally being transparently basic, but like Seabiscuit or Secretariat, you hardcharged from the back of the pack Acosta.
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@Greyparrot
I said I have a useless night action power in post#
And useless =\= detrimental. Furthermore, useless again, does not really narrow anything down. All it does is provide an excuse for you not getting targeted with a NK.
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@Aporia
Its certainly concerning tho especially with his first vote and early sus on me in conjunction with Wyls seemingly transparent post about the workings of the scum PM.
His reaction to dudz claim too? With what he's claiming his stated uses have been pretty much saying "I'm gonna use this in the worst possible manner". How him targeting me presents the obvious motive of throwing any results gained on me into suspicion? Then proceeds to say he's just gomna target the guy who would throw all results into suspicion?
GP has played the game a long time and fully understands anti and pro town play hombre.
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@Greyparrot
So why would you blatantly OMGUS vote me?
The answer is already in my posts. If you can't follow why ive changed my mind that's on you.
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@Greyparrot
Where you claimed you have a useless role? The role you claimed isnt useless, it's detrimental. So how was that soft-claim accurate?
Secondly, it's regarding role, and role confirm =\= affiliation confirmed. So even if you were being truthful about that, it doesn't indicate your affiliation. I also think you miss that soft claims actually have to seriously narrow down possibilities to even matter.
Soft claims that don't, like, "my role is useless" which could be ANY number of things, don't narrow it down that much, so don't apply.
Kinda like Wylted going, "but I've breadcrumbed/soft-claimed" When his soft claim was regarding an unwritten memo only he likely knows about. Doesn't narrow anything down, so how tf is it indicative?
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@Aporia
I think its interesting that you would take him at his word for that
Odd right? He thinks im scum but doesn't factor in that means i have every incentive to paint my meta innacurately regarding what would belie me, in his view, being scum right now.
He assumed both that I would be truthful, and that i"m scum. Not wholly conflictory, just mostly.
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You also rarely ever OMGUS as town.
I rarely omgus period? And if ive done it as town, how would it be applicable as a conclusive meta tell anyways?
How'd you to draw this conclusion? The same way you concluded my meta is "totally different" when you've supplied just two reasons(that aren't even applicable)?
Had no idea you were actually a Jim Acosta sock account hombre 😂.
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Actually this is incredibly helpful to me. I will obviously be targeting you tonight.
So just to point out, in GP's head he somehow thinks targeting Supa, which will mean he won't know his target, is a good idea. When his role self admittedly adds randomness to people who target the player he targets.
So basically, "guys i want you to know my role screws with people visiting someone, which means you gotta discount any results on that player. But now I'm gonna target someone that makes it so nobody will know who i targeted, so now every result is thrown into question!"
Nobody else is really gonna point this out?
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@Aporia
without mentioning a justification
I took "an escort of sorts" as the justification for the role Nexus. But Lwxanna is an ambassador, so why she would be considered an escort, when ambassadors are the kinds of people who are escorted, doesn't fit either.
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@ArgentTongue
Lxwanna and Troi are both empaths. They essentially have the ability to read individuals based on subtle psychic and physical vibes. I
Maybe she is? I'm basing "psychic" off it saying she's a telepath here
Btw, it's Lwxanna Troi, one person, TroI is the last name, not another person. But regardless, Supas role doesn't fit with the character in both our estimations it seems anyways.
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@Aporia
I tend to be a shade more congenial towards people. I ask alot more obvious questions with obvious answers. I'm usually alot more careful with what i post too i think. Usually I'll pick out a strat and try to control whatever true tells i'm affording only to that which affords the opportunity to direct the flow of the DP1.
Whereas as town it becomes transparently clear i care alot less about how i look, and what i post, and more about catching scum fmpov.
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Nexus doesn't even make sense with Lwxanna. The only notable thing beyond her flamboyancy per the wikia is that in Season 7 it was revealed Lwxanna was a psychic, and had multiple personalities. "An escort of sorts" she was an ambassador. Ambassadors have escorts, they aren't the escorters.
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@Aporia
What do you think are the disimilarities between yer town and scum play
Just between now and US States Mafia?
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@Aporia
As to Parrot Im reading him rn as overconfident townie. IIRC he correctly identified you as scum Dp1 last game?
That's correct, based off emoji use. I can def see the overconfident townie angle, cause his reasoning is transparently basic, like US States, and he's drawing a conclusive SR from it.
Idk, maybe I'm reading too much into his post regarding his role and targeting me. GP prolly went, "if there's a lawyer me targeting Budda would be a good idea" and stopped right there.
Like I said, his meta is mostly consistent with town/null. With the one exception he ignored questioning on.
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@Vader
I am hyperfocused you are scum because I have a gut feeling you are.
No, not hyperfocused that I'm scum. Hyperfocused on just me, and not weighing in substantively on much else. You keep doing this, you keep taking things, and arguing against things that dont make sense with what was said.
What are your other reads at this point? You've hyperfocused on my arguments, you havent given much attention to anything else.
What about that would lead you to conclude the issue is that you really think I'm scum, and not that you've not weighed in/given much attention to the rest of the game?
You have focused on what I'm saying vs the game itself as a whole. You think you found one scum in me, congrats. There would still be more to find, so why you would magically act as if you don't need to pay attention to anything else is not in line with a general town perspective.
Your goal here has been to argue against me, as if I'm the only one pushing you as scum, and also the only scum. Neither is true. Between a pursuit of win-cons between "town wins the game by finding scum and getting them lynched" and "mafia wins by surviving and getting town lynched"
your behavior aligns more with the latter win-con as a motive fmpov. Getting players lynched is only part of the equation in either one. And finding scum doesn't mean just one in a 12 player game.
Ur acting like the jobs done when it comes to scumhunting. Heck, you just walked back all the previous diatribe just to say, "its a gut read". A gut read.... like that gets people lynched anyways.
So you aren't really working towards getting anything lynched, aren't working towards finding scum beyond acting like the jobs done at 1 now(based off a gut read) when early in the dp you were entertaining the potential of bussing. The only thing your really doing is trying to survive. Which only aligns with one win-con.
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@Vader
I think 3, maybe 4, but I don't think so.
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eff if getting GP's claim isnt gonna happen.
Unvote VTL Supa
let's get on with the full claim, make sure it's paraphrased and not cp/d.
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@Vader
I am not even going to read GP and what he said because Budda claims are so downright stupid against me that it will be stupid vs GP
Why would it automatically be me against GP, with only one person being right, and the other being wrong? What if we're both wrong? What if we're both suspicious?
From the perspective of a townie, just because you think im scum, doesn't automatically mean GP is the opposite by virtue of that. You were analyzing potential bussing early in the DP? Why stop now?
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@Vader
but the way Budda reads things is a scum tell from the start
Because? You have an overwhelming tendency to say statements of objective certainty like this, but actually provide nothing to substantiate them?
Why are you so town? Why can you not possibly in any circumstance be scum?
What are your other reads at this point? You've hyperfocused on my arguments, you havent given much attention to anything else.
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@Greyparrot
Don't give buddha any more info about how town roles are likely dealt out by BSH.
And why would responding to my questions require him to do that?
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@Greyparrot
I do not have a choice to abstain action due to role rules assigned by the mod
So?
If your role interjects randomness into what happens to those visiting who you target, and you have to use it, you wouldn't be affecting exclusively mafia strategy. It would be a potential of both directly affecting mafia pr's, and directly affecting town pr's, as a result of your choice/role.
If it interjected randomness into what the player you targeted did themselves. It would make total sense to target a scum read. Because at that point, ur directly affecting exclusively mafia pr's.
Indirect effects are mutual to both choices, so they're not a sensible differentiator in a harm/benefit analysis. What you are doing is saying I'm scum, but acting in a manner that has the greatest chance of screwing up anyone independently figuring that out for themselves.
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@Greyparrot
@Aporia
You're either playing dumb or you genuinely don't know, you being scum
Or maybe I don't have a PR? Ok first ur gonna act like theres no investigative roles, then ur gonna act like theres only visiting roles? Sure thing bud
Pretty sure Ill be the NK tonight.
This is odd, why?
Also TRing Parrot rn.
Because? If he gave something revealing, I'd like to know. The only thing i saw was him revealing he has a compulsory role. But since when has role confirmation in whole or part ever been affiliation confirmation?
And upon what basis in conjunction would you even hold only town has compulsory roles?
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@Greyparrot
but you guys will get other clues if you read how buddha is following this.
Or, you could explain it so people actually pressure me or agree to lynch me? If you are so certain im scum, why are you waiting for people to deduce clues, as opposed to actually detailing them.
In no way do I assume the traditional power roles.
There is a difference between "not assuming traditional power roles" and assuming there is no investigative at all. The only motive for why you would target me with randomness for anyone VISITING ME, and not for me singularly, is if you think there is no investigative roles.
Otherwise, you would want me to be investigated?
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@Greyparrot
Yeahhh...good luck with that...considering you had me as your only town read.
What are you talking about? I have 4 or 5 TR's in total? And my analysis was hingent upon you sticking to ur meta. You aren't.
Flippy floppy budda
Lol, this is both juvenile and asinine.
Me: "I think person is town because of X"
(X no longer is fully applicable)
Me: "I wanna know some things that were tells that are highly indicative of affiliation"
You: (doesn't answer 2/3 of the questions) "haha you are so scum. I'm gonna discourage PR's from visiting you, by interjecting randomness into anyone visiting you.
Me: That's entirely contradictory to your read of me. You should want me investigated. Why are you discouraging that? This is a huge scum tell, and you almost flat out admitted you are the bus driver or hider.
You: "Haha, you flip flopped, that's so scummy"
Like FR dude? Then why are you not scum reading the handful of other players who have changed their minds when compelling evidence was presented?
Why haven't you pointed out the other times I've amended reads based upon new evidence or reconsiderations? If you think it's scummy, you would have pointed it out when it happened before?
Sure bud... I think you pretty much exposed urself as scum here 😂😂
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