Buddamoose

My b, should have specifically said there'd be a seperate game thread. 😂 

NP is 🙊😴

No its not the game thread 😮

Also, I was mistaken and will be disclosing role list now. Games are usually DP start, however due to being 7 players and the given set-up, it will be a NP start for this first game. Subsequent games will be DP start. 

2x Goon- powerless mafia

1x Doctor- can protect one player per night from being killed if targeted by mafia. 

1x Cop- can investigate one player per night and determine whether the player is innocent or guilty.

3x Vanilla- powerless town

Best of luck! 👍

And to hold any of the above as being equivalent to "dismissing" the gap itself, seems rather absurd to me. It does count as dismissing the claim that the gap is "because sexism" as it is almost exclusively presented to establish 🤔

I will admit, that I remember reading at one point, as opposed to 20% there is about 3-5% gap that can't be accounted for. But, bear in mind, it wasnt ever claimed sexism doesn't exist. But rather, that if there is a 3-5% difference that is unaccounted for, it becomes far less likely its "because sexism" and likelier fmpov that the percentage difference might be potentially error in data analysis/collection, error in correlative analysis, or a variety of other things than "sexism". 20% is a number that is too large to hold that as even possible, but again that 20% is a disgenuine statistic that doesn't factor in many things that ought be 🤔

Peterson himself is a clinical psychologist, and knows full well, and honestly I have little doubt you do as well, that assertiveness is a large predictive factor as well among a multitude of others. 

His position is no more different than:

He says this same thing, and then supplies data supported factors that have been conclusively shown to be very predictive factors in income. I couldn't give two craps about what some dude said about galileo, the example you gave is NOT rationalism v empiricism. There is no more empirical claim that could be made then to say there is a gap, but that gap is not necessarily sexism, and likely isnt either as for example the basic observation:

-Women tend to be more agreeable than men

-Agreeableness psychologically includes *a degree of a lack of *assertiveness*

-Assertiveness is a large factor in successfully negotiating the best deal possible

-wage agreements are often a negotiation, especially in high paying professions 

None of the aforementioned are non-empirical. Not only that, as an added bonus, they are still standalone highly rational observations. And thats just for one of the multitude of established factors that go into income. 

I at this point have to question exactly what you consider to be "empirical" if you think the claim, 

"A gap exists, but it is not necessarily or even likely due to sexism."

Is a non-empirical claim. I can understand why you immediately take it that way by the claim that it is a myth. But the devil is in the details because the "myth" being posited is that it is "because sexism" and also in part that the data is often presented disgenuously and does very little factoring for these kinds of presented variables. For example:

Again, i have to seriously question why you consider skepticism in light of this kind of data regarding the claim that the wage gap is "because sexism" non-empirical. When empirical principles would hold skepticism in light of such data to be the proper course 🤔. 

I am seriously confused how this example at all pertains to this proposed rationalism v empiricism conflict you posited. Because in this posited example it isnt the case

There is plenty more if you just google "mozilla  emoji keyboard" might work, might not 🏃

*hypothetically

In combo with this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/unicode-keyboard/dengmjlghngndfpcejhcajfpmabcaenn?hl=en

My phone uses that same Unicode keyboard in the chrome browser on my phone, so theoretically that should allow someone to use them in that browser 🤔

Try that 

Tbh, it looks like its all experienced players lol. Not sure how i feel about throwing a beginner to the wolves like that as i mentioned before as to why i wanted to start this.... hrmmm, this is just really gonna be a dry run of the series. But the positive of that is lurkers or new users have a basic game to read to further get a sense of the game. 

Ill start the series on confirmation. Information regarding Phase length and replacement policy among other things will be disclosed in the Beginners Series 1.1 DP1 Thread. 

I'm using an Android and the Google keyboard 

My phone has the option to add them and it works, dont really know why 

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Beginners take priority on replacement. Message myself or Vaarka for further details such as when one would potentially be replacing in, role, affiliation, etc. 

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2. JusticeWept

3. Earth

4. The Voice-of-Truth

5. Wylted

6. Rational

7. 1Harder(pending a beginner wanting to play). 

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Totally agree with Selena, the relationship between Bruce and her as it evolves is def perfect for that age too. Really, its just overall a great show fmpov 

It really is just so well made. Idk if it follows canon or not but i don' particularly care. Casting is A++ and the story is terrific. The most recent one i saw with the daughter of Falconi was dope AF. Fav characters? 

I think Gordon, Penguin, and Alfred are just A++ casting 

Sorry 1H, i was spacing on ur experience, no offense intended 

He often played on ghangouts too actually, 

Ive seen him play once or twice, but i was inactive awhile. If he's a beginner we'll start tomorrow then 

Totally agree he isn't conservative. Hes closer to a classic liberal fmpov, which seems conservative AF these days cause of its advocacy for sovereign individuality, something hes referred to more than a few times 🤔

Ayeeeeee,1h has the last spot reserved. 👏👏

On a serious note, i dont think both training and arming certain teachers is a bad idea. Necessarily, but a better way to go about it fmpov is just hiring guards or something like that. Maybe military veterans? That way training is gucci for the most part. Specific situational training can be given easily enough and wouldn't be as expensive as the teacher route which would imho require far more money spent. 

The practical concern with that fmpov is that those guards might otherwise be known and planned for. BUT, guards need not necessarily *only* be guards. They can be hidden in plain sight as another staff member like janitor, teacher, cafeteria, etc. 

Another concern might be losing control of that weapon somehow. Or using it in a situation where it shouldnt be. But perhaps mandatory safe storage and specific restrictions to only mandate use in an active shooter situation? 

Just the possibility of guns is a major deterrent, let alone when a gun(or another) enters the situation. Personal experience, one time ive had to pull out my firearm at home, and just the sound of cocking the shotgun caused whoever was trying to break in to run away. 

 

Obviously, school shooters would be different, they'll just keep going till they're stopped or cornered often. So the presence of firearms to me seems a necessity to reducing total harm in such a situation 🤔. And SRO's and the like dont seem to be cutting it, and like in Parkland, preventative measures are abysmal. Ignoring warning signs, not passing along information, waiting outside and letting the shooter run rampant, all just no bueno fmpov. All these things need to be addressed, arming certain staff members, or hiring staff members that are fully capable of being armed, would just be addressing one of them, but it seems like a solid place to start

Th link is in the Beginners Series thread 

Rational linked to this chatzy site in which rooms stay active up to 2 weeks of inactivity. That seems like a perfect substitute in the meantime

To be fair, you need to have a high IQ to understand Rick and Morty... 

lol

I mainly just watch YT. On YT im a big fan of Pewds and Game Grumps. Last tv show i watched was Gotham and previous to that GoT. Both were excellent imho

Could not have said it any better myself. 👏👏

Ok well, *sign-ups are now open again* 

Rational is now replacing warrior queens spot leaving the 7th still open. The same time limit still applies from before as fmpov its not quite fair to extend that time limit by starting it anew from the point of the 7th signee

Like when it comes to humans and crabs comparison, the same could be illustrated by pointing to the vast scope of hierarchal structures in nature. He could've easily pointed to a variety of mammalian species to establish the same point. But he also wanted to establish that *its not just mammals that have hierarchies and hormonal reward systems for escalating said heirarchies. 

And really, the only way i can see that not being a sensible conclusion is by attacking the theory of evolution itself and the supposition thats developed since then of macroevolution as an explanation for the variety of species on earth that are vastly different in many ways, but still share a great amount of similarities in their genome with each other. 

I don't disagree at all that he says things that are sometimes too simplistic. But i also clearly contested specifically that sometimes the answer actually is simple, the interpretation sometimes need not rush down the path of nuance, particularly when that nuance does not actually get you closer to a rational judgement and primarily obfuscates those kinds of judgements. Theres a high value to simple thinking, and sometimes, A+B really does just equal C . An examination of D, E, F, G, H, and so on just becoming an excercise in obfuscation and stepping further away from conclusions that can be concretely acted upon 🤔

That's not what i was doing at all. You posited by appealing to authority of those specialized in the fields(specifically history and society(sociology?) that his view of history is too simplistic. His main complaint regarding history as its taught is that its becoming too simplistic in its post modern view of history. "Expert opinion"And when that expert opinion he is addressing is that history amounts to an oppressive patriarchy, that expert opinion ceases to be credible. It doesn't matter the education level, it doesnt matter how much consensus there is, consensus =\= truth and you know this just as well as i do. See, Peterson may be a psychologist, and alot of his perspectives are filtered through that lens. But he has regardless spent decades studying history, politics(and the extreme philosophies found therein), so that  he doesn't have a specific education in that field, that what he is saying is against general concensus, *doesnt matter that is fallacial logic*. I also addressed the opinion of it being absurd to compare humans to crabs. In many ways it is, but in certain ways it is not. The equivalent of this complaint would be, "well that's apples to oranges" but they're *both fruit* so why cant they be compared so long as the comparisons are limited in scope and meant to establish specified similarities. I never once posited that YOU believe any of that. I posited that your complaint was absurd because it was exactly the same complaint regarding history that he is saying about the aforementioned concensus you just appealed to. I don't know much regarding your specific beliefs, you are correct about that. So how much sense does it make that i was addressing assumed beliefs instead of just the specific things you were saying? I can certainly understand you thinking that's what I was trying to do because many would do exactly that. But the assertion you presented is nonetheless untrue. 🤔

Canada's gonna have to pour billions into naval development if they're fonna hit that point fmpov. Though you are def on the right track with ur thinking imho

Boudica, hands down 👌

Gotta wonder, who is being the simplistic one here? 🤔

Spicy take you have Smithers, that pointing out that human history cannot just be reduced to white male patriarchal oppression is a simplistic view 🤔

>Simplistic views of history

>Jordan Peterson

Oh I'm sorry, "history is nothing but patriarchal white male oppression" isnt simplistic? 🤔

But is it? Is that even possible? Even if you hold a "soul" is from God, those same religious teachings illustrate that man is not seperate from nature(gods creations) we are a part of that 🤔

This isnt an easy subject to even approach because even I, as a human, want to hold myself, my consciousness, as independent of nature, and not a product of it 🤔. 

My lord, his comparison in lobsters was to establish that hormonal rewards for progress in a heirarchy was not original to people. It is something that was existent before the hominid species was even existent. 

I'll say the same thing i just said. You are appealing to nuance as a knee jerk reaction because you go, "comparing humans to lobsters?! Thats absurd!"

Is it really absurd? Are humans independent of nature? Or are we a product of it? 

Every time ive heard him speak outside his field of expertise he has let it be known. 

Honestly though, you are appealing to nuance. Sometimes, shockingly enough, things are simple, have you ever considered that? That maybe, just maybe, you are seeking minutae that isn't necessary? 

Hennessy! I mean, HERESY!! 

There are other videos around the web of this very same conference where he talks about the "miracle" of modern humanity. As an orator he is on point 👌👌

"Mr. Peterson, what do you have to say about the Neo-Nazi's that are often present at your events?"

"Nazi's? I dont like them" 

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That can be numbered in here as necessary fmpov 🤔

To repeat:

The sign-ups are now closed. If within two days of rationals post taking the last spot a beginner does not sign up, the series will begin with Rational taking the 7th spot. 

Until the close of the current series, it is respectfully requested that signees remain limited to beginner players. Upon the closing ofn the first series, sign-ups  wil open to any willing participants. 

No, link here, this is gonna be a running sign-up thread. Now that the 7 player series is filled, Sign-Ups are open for the next series. Until the current series end I feel it best to limit signees to solely beginners. At the end of this series, any unfilled spots will be opened up to any willing participants. Thoughts? 🤔

I don't see why not, although with them both being pinned, it doesnt seem absolutely necessary. However, it would add a nice touch to the ending and help point new players in the right direction 🤔

And that bin site looks like a hella good means to ensure only those who need access, have access to specific roles 👏👏 good looks again