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@Moozer325
So moozer's dead right? u wanna go ahead and confess?
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Idk what's going on between casey, whiteflame, and pie, and I kinda fell asleep reading it. So if it becomes important later I'll come back to it.
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I think we're gravitating toward a moozer lynch, which I'm fine with. He's not screaming "lynch me" the same way Savant was last game, but still a good choice. My read on him is weak enough though I would also be happy to lynch earth, who has made 7 posts total this DP.
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Off topic but for a kids show word girl is very witty at times.
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You know what something I noticed about whiteflame tho when I was scum with him:
he would always get on and make a most if I messaged him in discord. It just so happens that if I message him in discord, I also happen to usually post in the thread. So if whiteflame is scum buddies with someone, they're likely to make posts at around the same time.
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@ILikePie5
I always used to scum read whiteflame, cause the way he updates us on his personal life always reads like an excuse for inactivity. And I don't think I recall him ever initiating a push someone early game, he just plays it too safe. It used to rub me the wrong way every game, but I've learned that's just his meta. Seems null townish to me this game. I was just scum with him a few games ago, and tbf he doesn't deviate from this meta much on the scum side.
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Idk who's moozer's partner. Not a lot of interactions. That2, wylted maybe, though the interactions are weak. Probably not me though, and I'm trying to say this as objectively as possible.
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@Casey_Risk
This isn't mafia universe. Pressure is the only way to get genuine behaviour.
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@ILikePie5
Yeah I seem to recall I dropped the request for mass claims pretty quick last game.
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@ILikePie5
I don't know what the hell you're asking. Adamant about what? I claimed last game with no pressure and then claimed this game only with pressure. Not adamant on anything.
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@Casey_Risk
I disagree with every point you're making. How are you supposed to get real behaviour if you don't pressure. Twiddling thumbs is not a readable behaviour. Picking someone at random is not a terrible strategy, neither is picking someone based on their past behaviour. Those are classic opening strategies.
Also gambling is cool.
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@ILikePie5
Have yall noticed that Bullish character claimed without any pressure last game (assuming I’m remembering correctly). But he hasn’t here yet still advocating for character claims from people. Talk about hypocrisy
That's cause last game my char - role had little relation. This game it's super obvious.
I'm Vin Makazian. You can guess what that is.
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I went back 5 of Vader's games. The games had 2 vanilla, 1 vanilla, 0 vanilla, 0 vanilla, and 2 vanilla.
Vanilla is a "safe" claim in 4/5 of those games. It's def not a role claim that makes sense to CC.
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@Moozer325
You were the one who said we should be playing the game.
You miss my point. They just voted me without any call to action. Yall want reads? a character claim? role claim? to die?
Not that I support going after you.
Maybe you should, considering you're also a good lynch choice
if three people can randomly choose someone to pressure, that sets a precedent I don't want to see continued.
That's a precedent that's already been set, and is good for the game, and I will continue to semi-random vote people with gusto in future games.
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I will only claim at L-1, and I actually have a good reason to unlike moozer.
I don't wanna lynch myself so I'm gonna vote moozer
VTL Moozer
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Why the fuck are yall even voting me. No call to action from that2's vote, none from pie's vote, none from wylted's vote.
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I usually don't town read wylted but I actually do here for some reason.
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@ILikePie5
If Casey is town, Casey is definitely not the weakest link. A town Earth, Moozer, or That2 would be far weaker
I was talking about specifically out of the people who voted me over wylted last game. I also already said why I don't want to push that2 or earth. Moozer is idk.
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@Casey_Risk
It is a bad meta, and let me explain why. Any time you pressure someone for a claim, you're taking the risk that the potential benefit outweighs the potential harm. Knowing who people are helps the mafia out a lot, especially if someone claims their role in addition to their character, and at the start of every game, every single player has the same chance of being mafia, so if you immediately single out a single player for being bad at fakeclaiming before you've even had a chance to get an actual read on them, you're trying to get a claim out of someone who is most likely town, just based on statistics. You're not doing risk/benefit analysis there, you're just taking a blind risk and hoping it pays off. You might get lucky one game, but on average, that strategy is always going to help the mafia more than the town. It's like a casino game -- the players can win, and sometimes they can even win big, but the house will always win in the long term. The best bet is to just not play at all.Now, obviously once you've actually seen someone's behavior, that changes things, but you have to get actual reads before trying to push someone for a claim. Not following this rule is just reckless imo.
I can already tell casey is going to me my mafia theory nemesis.
Mafia is NOT a game where "The best bet is to just not play at all"!!! If town doesn't play, then the mafia controls every action in the game. The best bet is actually to play as often as possible.
Pushing for claims is literally how we get behaviour. Otherwise the game would just be everyone says they're town then we random lynch.
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@Moozer325
Yeah ur missing the fact that DP1 is usually just bullshitting until we lynch some body
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@ILikePie5
Let's lynch casey. Last game it was down to you, me, vader, casey, and wylted.
Wylted obviously wasn't voting himself. You wanted to vote wylted but didn't have enough votes. Vader made the wrong choice but he's the mod. That leaves casey to be the weak link when it comes to lynching scum. Let's lynch them now.
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@Casey_Risk
we were pressuring that2 and you shut that down cause you thought it was "lame meta". Now I wanna pressure you, cause it's not lame meta.
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Just looking at the 2 female characters, I don't want to lynch that2 cause it looks like she's the only one with theme knowledge, so lets keep her around.
Earth is not moving the game forward much but he playing to his meta as I vaguely recall the last game I played with him.
I wanna lynch between casey and pie, for voting me last game and preventing a flawless town victory.
VTL Casey
Describe your character without claiming.
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Isn't the theme split with shows and stuff usually just good guys vs bad guys? There's no analysis necessary here. How about we do another round of soft claims just to lock everyone down to a character without out right claiming?
My char had an ok-good relationship with tony, as far as I can tell
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I don't know anything about the theme. In fact sometimes I get sopranos and seinfeld confused. I did watch a clip of Tony curb stomping a guy tho.
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Cool doc gambit. It was the right move to polarize your odds after the terrible DP1. Either it works or it doesn't.
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when whiteflame said he wouldn't die and and then immediately died:
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@Casey_Risk
casey the more you talk the more you make no sense. Why would scum RB and kill austin when there's a doctor on the loose.
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I'm also discounting the possibility we're up against a TP. The way that1 hail mary'd last DP indicates there's 1 remaining mafia to carry the flag.
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@ILikePie5
In that case we just have to lynch the person least likely to have received an item from Austin last. Which I believe it would be me.
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@Lunatic
regarding this flipped item in the OP
1x Belt of Nipples: The receiver of this belt will feel pretty, and motivated, gaining a second use to their night action abilities that night, assuming they have one.
does it affect the factional night kill?
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@ILikePie5
I received no item.
The standard motivator does NOT double the NK: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Motivator
Since this is a flipped role maybe the mod can answer directly.
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My plan is solid. I don't think pie is retarded so I'm not worried about being lynched today.
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If the doc CC was a gambit it was such a poorly executed gambit. The only part that doesn't make sense is why casey would claim immediately when there was no pressure, and That1 was the likely lynch that day anyway.
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Imma be real with yall, I was tempted to claim jester just to fuck with town, cause gacy is also known as the killer clown.
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Do not lynch me. Since there is only 1 scum left, there is no ambiguity if I block the NK.
Vader and Pie 1/2 are confirmed. There's only 3 of us in the PoE.
We lynch Wylted. This NP I block Casey. If an NK happens just lynch me.
If an NK does NOT happen then we actually gain an extra lynch because we avoid MyLo. In that case just lynch both me and casey.
VTL Wylted.
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