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@RationalMadman
That's actually a good point but I believe we could track "good" reporters automatically, at some point.Anonymous reporting is absolutely stupid. A highly successful reporter should get their reports handled faster and you should gamble that they will give accurate reports more readily if pressed for time. A poorly accurate reporter, especially if high volume and rate needs to have a violation that you should add to CoC called report spam that can disallow them to report for a period of time until they learn. If they keep at it, a site ban should be in order no joke.
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@David
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@drafterman
So @drafterman pointed out that we may no longer need the reports to be open ( as in, not anonymous ) and I am thinking if we should indeed roll it back. What do you think? I wonder if I am missing something here?
Also, I wanted to point out that I am thinking about implementing one more limitation for the reports, and to be precise, I want to limit people that can report things only to those that have actually created those things that they are trying to report. For example, in order to be able to report forum posts, the user would need to have at least, let's say, 100 of them. Same for the debates, comments and votes but with different numbers. This would prevent new users from reporting things. Any idea on that?
Also, I wanted to point out that I am thinking about implementing one more limitation for the reports, and to be precise, I want to limit people that can report things only to those that have actually created those things that they are trying to report. For example, in order to be able to report forum posts, the user would need to have at least, let's say, 100 of them. Same for the debates, comments and votes but with different numbers. This would prevent new users from reporting things. Any idea on that?
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@drafterman
1. There was never any "problem" to which de-anonymization was a solution.
De-anonymization happened as a mistake, initially I had no intention to do it on purpose, it was done as a feature for the admin panel. But you are right, we're somewhat handled the main issue so we may go back to the anonymous mode as it was, unless we're missing something here.
I like this attitude. But if you feel that strongly about it, why is this even a discussion? Just tell bsh1 "No" he doesn't get this loaded gun to play with?
Because I am trying to collect as many points of view as possible and see as much of the picture as possible. Also please note, that I am working in a context where I don't know what people are used to, so it always makes sense for me to bring those issues up and see what people say.
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@drafterman
Dude. It's YOUR site. They only have the power to do what YOU give them. Put your foot down and say, "No, you can't have that."
Well, I am working in a context foreign for me so I am trying to be thorough. I try to see all the cons and pros before I get into something because it happens rather often when people point out some things that I wouldn't even think about it, if it was simply up to me.
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@ethang5
Nobody can do that at the moment, even I can't do it because there is no convenient interface to do it in a sane manner.I have this question, is there any way to tell if bsh1 has the ability already? If no, then he could already be reading PMs now right?
And I assure you, this is a serious matter which won't be taken easily.
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@drafterman
You have that with the 10/day limit. Also, the issue with the spam reports was the work load the mods decided they needed to do in response to them. That, too, has been fixed with the relaxation of the voting standards and the lack of need of mod response for every report. Furthermore, the lack of anonymity didn't stop the spam reporting.
Fair point, I may need to reconsider the whole thing with the reports again. It didn't stop anything because we initially didn't have the way to take away the right to report. And as I mentioned many times before, I simply didn't think about it when I started showing the list of the reporters in the admin panel, I simply added it as another feature and I had no idea that people thought it was anonymous. But obviously the situation has changed.
With respect to Mike, it isn't about trust. We access his servers. He has access to all of the information we put here. That is an inherent concession any user makes when they sign up. His turning over PMs (or any other information) to law enforcement isn't up for discussion. If he is so supoena'd, he doesn't have a choice.It is less about "trusting" Mike than the fact that that bridge is already crossed and burnt. There is no uncrossing it. I did not, however, give any sort of consent, implicit or otherwise, to let some random person who happens to have Mike's ear have access to that information.
If I could, I'd just encrypt the PMs and be done with it so even God himself wouldn't be able to access them, but there is no way (that I can think of off the top of my head) to make it secure. But to be honest, I don't think there are many websites that do that, I imagine even Facebook and other social networks don't. Maybe only some websites where people discuss riots and stuff like that but idk.
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@RationalMadman
Mike reads all PMs when and why he pleases.
Yes, I've read all tens of thousands of them -_-
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@drafterman
Reporting may get back to being anonymous when there is a way to prevent the spam reports, the best idea I've got so far is to add a required field for the report description ( so that it wouldn't be so easy to spam report ) and add a button that would take the user's right to report away if we see some copy pasted descriptions or some other bad behaviour but this way the mods will not know who they've just taken the right away from and it may bring some complications. It's just an idea but give it time and we may come up with something much better than that.
Regarding the PMs, truth be told, I am also not a fan of disclosing them, but bsh1 pointed out some situations where it could possibly make sense and I believe we decided to bring this up on the forum and discuss it and that's what this topic is about. But then you've also provided some good points so it's going to be a hard decision. The best idea I've got is to maybe provide access only in some very serious cases (death threats and whatnot) and limit the access somehow so that the mods wouldn't be able to access it on a whim. But then, I can't come up with decent logic for this request PMs feature...so it's going to take some time and thinking.
Regarding the PMs, truth be told, I am also not a fan of disclosing them, but bsh1 pointed out some situations where it could possibly make sense and I believe we decided to bring this up on the forum and discuss it and that's what this topic is about. But then you've also provided some good points so it's going to be a hard decision. The best idea I've got is to maybe provide access only in some very serious cases (death threats and whatnot) and limit the access somehow so that the mods wouldn't be able to access it on a whim. But then, I can't come up with decent logic for this request PMs feature...so it's going to take some time and thinking.
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@Username
Do you still remember my idea? Whoever is winning the debate has it in their wins category rather than only once you have won. Like on DDO?Besides that, an alternate theme would be kinda cool, but I understand that takes a lot of work.Also, I think it's a little bizarre that tied points go to both debaters and it makes it a little complicated.
Hi!
Yeah, I have most of the ideas written down but I don't know in what order I will be implementing them, I do it pretty much randomly taking the most interesting and doable tasks first, just to prevent myself from burning down. I can only promise that we'll have everything done at some point, just don't know when. But the dark theme is definitely not a priority, so I wouldn't except it any time soon, that's for sure.
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@Castin
Oh, thanks a lot! I guess setting the max rating could address this issue to some extent.
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@Raltar
I think adding a setting for the max rating is a good idea. And we already have the min rating setting.2. Allow open challenges to specify both a minimum and maximum ranking requirement. Just setting your minimum requirement to 1501 would prevent random noobs from accepting the debate. But putting an upper limit on the debate as well would prevent significantly higher ranked debaters from beating down less experienced debaters who want someone closer to their own rank.
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New changes:
It is now possible to log in the same account from multiple devices without getting kicked out.
Please let me know if you find some unexpected behaviour :)
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@ethang5
I think that activity definitely plays a big role in the raking system.
Also I've read a couple of articles and some say that it's quite normal if the progress starts to be visible only after 6 months, so we still have some time. I think we're going to be alright :)
Also I've read a couple of articles and some say that it's quite normal if the progress starts to be visible only after 6 months, so we still have some time. I think we're going to be alright :)
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@Mharman
Awesome, the more people we have, the more interesting it'll be here :)
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@Mharman
Needs more activity though.
That's for sure. You can always invite your friends here ^_^
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@Mharman
Yeah, you are not the first one to complain about it, I will fix it at some point, it's just not really a priority at this point. Hopefully I'll fix it this month though.
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@TheGreatSeal
To be honest, I am that sure about the whole idea at this point, implementing a proper chat with all required functionalities would require lots of time and it still wouldn't be even close to any of the messages so I am not sure if it makes to go for it.
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@RationalMadman
No, you could just sign up and never log in the new account.
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@RationalMadman
I have no idea what you mean but this person has never been online. She's never signed in, apparently.
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@Polytheist-Witch
It's not that we don't want to delete stuff, it would just require a huge amount of work to implement it properly because it would require to handle LOTS of edge cases. Not mentioning that it could mess up some debates or forum topics by deleting arguments or posts by the deleted user.
So most likely I'll implement a deactivation system that keeps the data, but somehow makes it obvious that the user has been deactivated, like what we have with bans at the moment, just a bit differently.
So most likely I'll implement a deactivation system that keeps the data, but somehow makes it obvious that the user has been deactivated, like what we have with bans at the moment, just a bit differently.
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New changes:
1) Done some refactoring and hopefully improved site's loading time a little bit.
1) Done some refactoring and hopefully improved site's loading time a little bit.
2) Removed the chat section, 'cause it doesn't seem we're gonna have it any time soon after all.
3) Implemented 10 reports / day limit.
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@RationalMadman
Those are the most basic things, I have everything in place, I even have markup to make it easier for the search engines. I believe there are only two things that stop us from going higher in the search results, it's either that we don't have a mobile version or that we just need to wait more time, 3 months is not that much after all.
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@Outplayz
I don't know, I am afraid it's outta my hands, but as I always mention, the fact that we don't have a mobile version definitely doesn't help the search optimisation. But when it comes to desktop versions, I did put some effort into it and hopefully it will improve its positions as time goes by.Dude... how long does it take for google to optimize this site... You're still not on the first 4 pages of results for "debate sites" ...
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@ArgentTongue
It could definitely be handy but it would require a lot of work and I think I could implement it only after I've finished all the other more important things, which, I am afraid, have a plenty of.
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@David
@bsh1
Yeah, it will definitely require more effort to be a responsible "reporter" and it will remove some load from our shoulders, hopefully.
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@Declan25
Hmm, let's wait for the mods` comment then, I am not sure why it happened.
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@Declan25
I have no idea, you didn't get any message from the mods regarding why?
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So my idea was to eventually implement the reporting system as most websites have it, you click the report button, then you select category of the report, then you put in some description of what is wrong with this specific instance and only then you submit it, so it's definitely going to be there.
What we have now is simply a compromise between having a proper reporting system and not having one at all.
What we have now is simply a compromise between having a proper reporting system and not having one at all.
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@Outplayz
Yeah, I think we'd need to have something like that in one form or another.
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I am having another random idea that I wanted to discuss.
So as you can see in the debates section, we have lots of low quality debates, like the ones that type1 spammed or just forfeited ones or that kinda stuff, so I am thinking if it makes sense to create a separate elite "league", in which only "serious" debaters would be invited and they'd have separate ratings, separate everything, because it doesn't really makes sense that people that spend hours on their arguments compete with people saying that ducks are dangerous. And what we have now could be a sandbox for the new people to prove (or to learn) that they deserve to be invited to the elite league. Obviously it raises some questions but it's a random idea and I haven't given it much thought but I'd still like to hear your comments.
So, what do you think?
So as you can see in the debates section, we have lots of low quality debates, like the ones that type1 spammed or just forfeited ones or that kinda stuff, so I am thinking if it makes sense to create a separate elite "league", in which only "serious" debaters would be invited and they'd have separate ratings, separate everything, because it doesn't really makes sense that people that spend hours on their arguments compete with people saying that ducks are dangerous. And what we have now could be a sandbox for the new people to prove (or to learn) that they deserve to be invited to the elite league. Obviously it raises some questions but it's a random idea and I haven't given it much thought but I'd still like to hear your comments.
So, what do you think?
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@Declan25
No problem, but you could've just explained the situation to Virt himself :) We know that the analytics tool gives the false positives in some situations.
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@David
@Declan25
Yeah, that happens, don't worry.
Virt, looks like we have a false positive here.
Virt, looks like we have a false positive here.
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@EtrnlVw
Thanks for the feedback, I guess I will try to start with something simple and see how it goes on practice.
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@1harderthanyouthink
Can we archive this thread at some point and start a new one? Not necessarily now, but, eventually.
Definitely, I'll probably just create a google doc at some point too, with something like what drafterman posted above, just to keep the whole picture in mind.
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@RationalMadman
Hahaha, it's impossible to hide anything from you ...
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I just wanted to say that I've been mostly refactoring code base these days and that's why you guys don't see any new changes, I just need to build the foundation for the new changes first. So I am still working on stuff, just not the kinda stuff that you can see.
Also I wanted to ask you guys to let me know if you find any bugs or problems, even minor ones on the website. Some unexpected behaviour, misaligned text or anything really. Especially if you use mobile devices, for which we have no separate version of the website, or Microsoft Edge browser.
But, if you use Internet Explorer ... Please don't. I have no patience or time to support this piece of junk.
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@Vader
I have most of those things in the plan already, in one form or another :)
Not sure I understood the verified check point, could you elaborate please?
Not sure I understood the verified check point, could you elaborate please?
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@drafterman
Wow, thank you so so much, it's really amazing to see this list.
Regarding the medals, I am afraid it's all programmatic now, I have no means of adding things manually. I mean, I could but I'd have to play with database quite a lot and could mess something up.
Regarding the medals, I am afraid it's all programmatic now, I have no means of adding things manually. I mean, I could but I'd have to play with database quite a lot and could mess something up.
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@RationalMadman
am I actually going insane?
No, that's correct. There is no interface to change the username but it's possible to do manually and that's what I did for the guy, but he had a good reason and it was the first time I did that. And hopefully the last one.
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@Vader
Wow, thanks a lot! I had a problem with coming up with some ideas and you saved me :) I will be implementing them slowly, probably 1-2 for a release :)
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@YeshuaBought
If you still want that, just message me in private and I'll manually change it. I am afraid there is no interface for that, at the moment.
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Wow, there are so many things I didn't even think about ...
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@Castin
Yeah, I still haven't even thought about it properly, just got a random idea yesterdayIt was just an amusing vision. Don't let worst case scenarios bog you down. It's a really good idea. I really think you should stick to it. The problems can be discussed and worked out. It deserves a trial period at least.
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@RationalMadman
Lol, that's not helpingI support 'spies' who can see even what mods can't that way you stay in power. We will spy for the mods and lie to them at times to stir the pot about what's going on in the private communities, they will punish us if we lie too much, we will lie if they punish us too much.
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@Castin
That also makes a valid point ...
Ugh, I don't know how to go about it.
Ugh, I don't know how to go about it.
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