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@Vader
I mean I could have given it to Pie for being an instant scum read and instead of trying to legit play in the DP1 he bitched about the game which nearly caused a Mafia L
Nah, pie did fine except for his NK choice. Even the NK choice was not bad... Just less than perfect.
Unlike me pie actually put effort into the game lol.
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@warren42
I'll start and end days at 6 PM EST,
So if a lunch is reached at say 10 AM twilight goes until 6 PM regardless?
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@Mharman
Smart move killing me in the NP. In Dp2 I was going to announce “if there is still one scum remaining after my lunch pool is finished off, Lynch Disc next. I should’ve announced it DP1. If I had announced it then I might’ve been declared MVP.Overall, I’m pretty proud of how I played this game, especially after how bad I was during Throne of Glass.
I am skeptical of that claim, but even if true still say town should have pushed for claims harder after it was revealed to be a solved game. That includes you. Four people were active and unclaimed by the end of DP 1. Too many for a situation like what we had. It was a unique situation to be sure, but still should have adapted to it.
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Should've worded it clearer. I would interpret "missed" as didn't go through not hit town
This.
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@ILikePie5
Wait, so Supa did have you review the game? You told me in the PM that he did not.
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It is really bullcrap that town would do that and try to cheat the game like that
Players are going to take any route to victory that they have available to them. If a certain route is unfair for their opponent it is your job as mod to close that route off. You failed in that duty.
MAFIA WINS THE GAME (despite the fact that Pie said this was town favored)
No such thing as a town favored game with DD as scum.
Now I am done.
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Speaking of optimal play... The scum teams play this game was sub-optimal (with one of them going out of their way to try losing on DP 1 and the other making a sub-optimal NK choice NP1) but towns play was worse. Town should have followed Mharman and myself in the outting of the setup.
That means town should have pressured Mharman and myself to claim DP 1.
Nobody did so because we 'looked townie'... Under normal circumstances this is obviously fine, mafia is a human game and should normally be played like a human, but when you have a strategy for a guaranteed win laid out in front of you then you can no longer afford to play like a human. You must ignore your heart in favor of your brain and play like a robot. If town had followed through on fully mass claiming DP 1 then it would not have mattered what night actions were taken town would have won.
Oh that's another thing... This isn't just for this game this is for the sites meta in general: I consider my town play to be rather mediocre at best but I really am good at playing as scum. Exceptionally good. I am not trying to brag, it's just the way it is. One thing that has always perplexed me was how many people treat power roles as secret keys to victory. Sure if someone happens to cop someone as scum that helps town a bit but if you are relying on night actions as your primary scum hunting method then you are only going to win if your scum team is exceptionally incompetent. A balanced game takes into account the fact that scum have an information advantage so if you as town don't do everything in your power to limit that information advantage then you will only win about 50% of the time in the long run. The moral of the story is this: TOWN, IF YOU PLAY AT NIGHT YOU LOSE AT NIGHT. YOU ONLY WIN WITH YOUR PLAY DURING THE DAY.
Again that last bit was not directed specifically at this game. This game was actually a bit of an exception case. It's just something I have been meaning to say for a while. Sorry for the tangent.
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@Vader
I can't change roles and there power in the game. Kim being Vanilla is stupid
There are plenty of other characters you could have used. I googled "Kim possible characters" for my DP 3 fake claim and got a lot more than 10 results. You could have swapped out the minor characters such as Monique (I assume Monique is a minor character since I don't remember her but It has been well over a decade since I watched this show) and even kept most of the roles fairly similar.
You made a role madness setup and that is fine, but a role madness game cannot be an open setup because that simply gives town a guaranteed win with optimal play. It has to be a closed setup if it is role madness.
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@Phione
No-lynching is pretty rare here as well. A standard game here also tends to be what other mafia communities would describe as "role madness" games. Having a role is much more common than not having one for town and scum.
I have never played at ToS but I did a few games at MU once. The games here are much faster paced than MU. If a DP lasts over 3 days here it is usually considered to be overly drawn out.
Also open or semi-open setups almost never occur here. The vast majority of games are closed setups.
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@Vader
I have so much more to say about this game. Please post the endgame.
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@Greyparrot
but also realized I had zero chance convincing oro and wp to vote for you.
I was really shocked when WP voted for Oro a few minutes ago.
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Thing is that I brought that problem up with Supa before the game started and he blew me off. That is the reason that I did not sign up in the first place... But when he put me in anyway he made me scum hoping that I would not bring up the fact that town could instawin if I was not town myself
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@Greyparrot
Nah, not just you specifically. Town really should have followed Mharmans lead better on his plan to look at previous games PMs. Honestly could have solved the game DP 1.
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I was doing everything I could to lose DP 1 short of outting myself as scum to prove a point to Supa that this was a broken pro-town game that should not have happened.
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Game over. I am very disappointed in towns play this game.
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@WaterPhoenix
I am seriously considering Oro for lynch. He claimed Monique only after I mentioned that was my character last game. I could see that as just being an easy grab for towncred. He gave details of the PM that only someone with access to the Monique PM could know which made me believe him before but now that we know pie had access to the PMs even that has to be reconsidered.
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@Greyparrot
Well I guess since we know there is a framer it isn't as if getting a guilty on anyone would help much anyway.
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@Greyparrot
Why did you cop Wylted? He claimed vig, a claim which was confirmed by pie being killed in the night.
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My head hurts. I just wanted this game to be over and I honestly can't see any of you as being scum. I'm just going to wait until GP and Oro come on.
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VTL Oromagi
That's all I can think to do too but he did claim a role we know is in the game.
Then again we also have reason to believe that pie had access to the setup info and was scum. Hmm...
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Okay then. Just reread DP 1 and I got nothing. I did notice that apparently I haven't claimed yet, I could have sworn that I already had. I am Bonnie, a vanilla townie.
I am seriously stumped at this point.
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@Mharman
100% balanced or your money back.
*But Disc, we haven't given you any money*
Hm, yes you're right. You not giving me money is a problem... But it is an easy problem for you to fix.
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@Alec
No point in lying. You have 4 votes on you. Game over.
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@warren42
Kim Possible game is almost over and Lunatic has been offline over a month. Go ahead and start your signups.
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@Vader
Game over. Post the endgame so we can all finally go home.
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@Greyparrot
@Wylted
@oromagi
@WaterPhoenix
I am disappointed that we didn't have this 100% solved in DP 1 but we have it now. Lynch Alec and be done with it.
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I would be tempted to think hacker is a scum role if not for the fact that Oro had it last time and says that it is a town role.
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Wylted is confirmed now since he claimed vig. There obviously is a vig since pie died.
Water is confirmed in the same way. His role claim was hacker, we definitely have a hacker.
Oro has the role that I has last time so also confirmed as town.
GP I don't think was confirmed by anyone but since there is a framer there must be a cop and GP has not been counter claimed so is confirmed town.
Guess that leaves me and Alec.
VTL Alec
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@Greyparrot
Right. There 100 is a framer in the game since you had that role last time. Another thing to keep in mind.
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Okay after rereading DP 1 I think I caught something important. Supa said in the signups that he gave pie all the info on the setup to review despite putting pie into the game right? When asked about this pie denied it:
At the time I thought that probably Supa lied in the signups to cover his ass and that pie was telling the truth. Now that we know pie was scum though... It is possible that he was the one lying and he actually did have full knowledge of the setup. He could easily have passed this knowledge to his scum partner. Something to keep in mind.
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Oromagi said he had that role last DP and that it was a 1x role:
I mean that last DP he said he had that role last game.
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@Wylted
Hacker is the role? What is your role and how does it work?
Oromagi said he had that role last DP and that it was a 1x role:
so WP is confirmed town.
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@warren42
I didn't even think of that lmao. Wow.
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Okay virt is L-1 now. Same as with Wylted we give him some time to come on and be potentially town confirmed.
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@Wylted
I'm ron stoppable and vig. Lynch another unconfirmed, I will shoot one, proving my role and we will have the last scum by poe tomorrow at worst case, best case game ends np1
A testable role. Sounds good to me.
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@Wylted
My PM history was either erased by accident or I didn't play the game, so I can't help. I don't remember shit.
We're asking for your current role. It is possible that someone had before what you have now.
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Post 54 is the best way forward but there is still the possibility of Wylted being town and becoming town confirmed if he claims and someone backs his claim up so let him speak before hammering for that reason.
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Okay VTL Wylted
Unless I count wrong Wylted is now at L-1. Please give him a chance to come on and speak for himself guys.
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For real though this game being over before DP 1 even begins is annoying af. Supa was warned and offered help in this regard by at least 3 ppl before the game started and he went on with it anyway.
But sure if Wylted does not get town confirmed we will Lynch him. If we have a vig they should shoot one of the other nulls in post 54.
Be back in a few hours to check in before my morning nap, then off to my day job.
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Okay. I am down with post 54 unless Wylted claims and someone town confirms him.
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@Mharman
Please just go with my idea and Lynch Wylted today.
What did he claim again?
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@ILikePie5
Jeez bro what times do you work?
6:45 pm to 5:15 am. New job, second day.
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@oromagi
OK, what about u? what can u say that will make us trust u?
You shouldn't trust anyone not confirmed as town. I will explain more on my next break in 4 hours.
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