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@ILikePie5
According to Wylted no shenanigans took place. Can you prove him wrong?
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@oromagi
What is wrong with the idea that the fountain matches your subjective definition of art but not other people's?
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@oromagi
Right, there are certain criteria for what art is and you lack sufficient information on Bugatti's to say whether they meet that criteria. I am asking whether those criteria are objective or subjective.
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@Intelligence_06
Any relation to Ruiz Duchamp?
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@oromagi
(Also, I don't know enough about Bugattis to say whether or not I would consider them art.)
Are you are suggesting there exist objective criteria for what can and cannot be considered art and you simply don't have enough information to determine whether a Bugatti fits that objective criteria?
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@Wylted
@ILikePie5
They got away with it
Pie, the article Wylted linked says the duplicate votes were not counted. You imply that someone "got away with" something, which disagrees with Wylted's source. How are you so sure that Wylted is wrong?
Wylted, do you have a response for Pie's accusation that your link has incorrect information?
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@coal
Co-mingled with that nonsense are vapid, specious claims about "American imperialism," a claim that does not even rise to the level of idiocy in view of the Wilson Administration's role in thwarting British imperialism before and after WWII.
British or American, all whiteys look the same to them.
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@Aryanman
many muslims did not like the women's rights part
Why not?
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@Dr.Franklin
but can we, as conservatives, ignore these facts?
Don't be silly, of course you can.
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@badger
Should have just had Zach Alam keep punching it. Did more damage with his fist than RandoTrumpSIMP6421 did with the flag pole.
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@badger
ikr? like I said in post 29, all acted like they had really big balls putting dozens of cops into the hospital and shit but just one shot and they all pussied out. Pathetic.
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@Wylted
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@ILikePie5
14,000 hours of footage not telling their citizens who killed another citizen.
Lots of footage of the riots to look through too. Watch the videos some time, they were all big and bad until that one single gunshot then they immediately pussied out lmao.
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the current political situation in iran
after the 1979 revolution
One of these things is not like the other lol.
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@Lemming
There are some people that actually claim the actual "inclination" as you aptly put it does not even exist in the first place. They claim people that engage in same-sex relationships "choose" to be attracted to the same sex. I interpreted the OP to be a reference to those people given the word 'choice' in the title. Post 5, therefore, was not an argument about the origin of same-sex attraction so much as simply pointing out that it does very obviously exist.
I assume your misinterpretation stemmed from the fact that your brain is not stupid enough to even realize such a stupid argument as the one I was attacking even existed lol.
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@Lemming
But I disagree with the 'pure nature argument
I never said or implied anything about nature or nurture.
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I mean, I never consciously chose to be straight so I would think this is a no-brainer.
The claim that gays sit down and choose to be in a relationship with those of the same sex implies that everyone is attracted to those of both sexes and could just as easily be with one as the other. I think whether it is true or not this claim says a lot about the person making it.
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@Benjamin
Your house has no moral value, not even the house in 10 years will have moral value.
Oh future moral value? That is different from what you said in post one. Very different.
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@Benjamin
Premise one is false, but if you remove the word "moral" from it I think it may become true (possibly).
My house has value. I certainly do take that value into consideration, as I do its future value. I would hardly say that I give it moral consideration, however.
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The ancient world was far more connected and globalized than many modern history laymen give it credit for. That being said, a series of events happening over the course of several hundred years can hardly be described as "happening overnight". It simply might seem that way from the point of view of people that have the luxury of reading a short summary of each such event over the course of a single night.
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@oromagi
@drlebronski
drlebronski: I DONT support burning buildings but what would you expect after decades of police brutality?Discipulus_Didicit: What buildings were burned down?Oromagi: About 150 buildings in mid-town Minneapolis were damaged by fire and a couple of dozen of these were total loses, including restaurants, gas stations, liquor stores and churches, overwhelmingly impacting non-white small businesses in the blackest neighborhood in the state.
Well, I certainly didn't expect that.
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@drlebronski
I DONT support burning buildings but what would you expect after decades of police brutality
What buildings were burned down?
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@Lemming
Possibly. I will restate my stance on the issue in the thread title and opening post to clarify.
I think that every slave/human trafficking victim should be freed and compensated by confiscating assets from their captors/traffickers.
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@Lemming
I didn't quote him so the fact that this wasn't clear is on me and I am sorry, but I was referring to the direct conversation between he and I. Specifically post 36, where he was responding to post 32.
I sit there and say that victims of human trafficking should be given financial aid by confiscating assets from their traffickers, and his response is to say that we should not punish some dude that has been dead over 200 years. Like, how does your brain work? He has been dead for over 200 years. Nobody could punish him even if we wanted to. Am I crazy or is that a blatant and complete non-sequitor?
Also still confused about his "can't punish immoral people that aren't breaking the law". Like I said, to my knowledge slavery and human trafficking (what I was talking about in post 25) is not legal anywhere...
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@TheUnderdog
You can't punish people for stuff they legally did even if it's immoral by today's standards.
I literally can, but what does that have to do with my post? I was very clear that I was talking about slavery and human trafficking. To my knowledge that is not legal anywhere.
Human traficing victims had illegal stuff done to them, so you reperate them not from tax dollars, but from the funds of the offender.
Yes, that is exactly what I said. I don't see anything wrong with that. Please explain why you disagree with this idea.
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@badger
There's something a little inhuman in this dude.
You don't know the half of it lmao.
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Should reparations be provided for slavery?
Absolutely. Hard to argue against this. Every slave/human trafficking victim should be freed and compensated by confiscating assets from their captors/traffickers.
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@Greyparrot
Still standing by Trump is a racist? God help you man.
If I said that, then you can easily tell me which post I said it in. If you can't then I didn't, and if I didn't then you can apologize for putting words in my mouth. You won't though.
All I did was ask why Trump called a non-Mexican a Mexican. If he called him that because the man is Latino then all you had to say was "Trump conflates being Latino with being Mexican". If he did it for some other reason you could just say what the other reason is. Not hard.
You won't do that either though, of course.
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@Greyparrot
I agree with the video you linked where it says that that conflating Latino and Mexican is hilariously stupid (timestamp 015:-022) but this thread is not about what you and I think, it is about what Trump thinks.
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@TheUnderdog
The stuff about the Roman empire I'm not sure about.
They were very generous relative to other powers in their day with granting citizenship and given their tech level impressively adept at tracking who was or was not included in that group. Also keep in mind that in ancient times 'citizenship' was slightly more complex of a concept than in the modern day and significantly more valuable in the sense that the difference in rights and privileges offered citizens versus non-citizens of various city states or powers was generally much vaster than many places in the western world today.
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@drlebronski
surprised no one has given the "companies don't have a pool of money lying around" usually when i debate stuff like this con would either say small businesses would close, inflation or what i said earlier
I am not convinced that raising the minimum wage would collapse small businesses as dramatically as some claim, they would just raise their prices to compensate, though that argument would by definition validate your inflation concern. Hard to say how much it would contribute to inflation though as there are many other factors at play.
My main worry would not be the individual businesses but the effects on the bigger picture overall. Having a flat minimum wage across the entire country puts people in higher cost of living areas such as cities at a severe disadvantage compared to those in lower cost of living areas, which has a number of potential implications on its own including encouraging the dispersement of city populations to the countryside among other things.
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@Theweakeredge
So your evidence is your, uncertified, experience - regarding certain experiences. I want empirical evidence bud.
I mean, maybe me and all the minorities in my neighborhood just got lucky... I kinda doubt it though. Also my job is to move food items around a warehouse, loading onto and off of trucks so that grocery stores can stay in stock with food, so if there aren't jobs like that available in a location near you then you probably have bigger problems such as famine... which I hear is pretty bad but luckily have never had to experience firsthand.
Anyway what is your argument in favor of increasing the federal minimum wage? I would like to hear it.
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@Theweakeredge
Do you have evidence for all of those claims?
Claim one: "As it stands now it is relatively easy in many places to get a $18-20 per hour job - more than sufficient in most places for a decent living standard - with nothing more than a GED without even going through an interview process."
Evidence: I have such a job at a company with around 18000 employees, myself and the majority of my coworkers have no educational history beyond the high school level. I didn't even need to know anyone at the company, I literally found an ad on indeed and joined the company with a group of ten people where the hiring process was for us to walk into the building on the appointed time and get told "congrats, you're hired. Please fill out your I-9's now".
Claim two: "Such jobs tend to require more actual work than jobs that are just a few dollars above the minimum wage, however, which seems fair."
Evidence: I have had jobs that pay just a few dollars above the minimum wage (one that pays $11 an hour and another that pays $12 an hour where the minimum in my state is $9.50) and they definitely required much less work than my current job. They were retail jobs and I hardly did any work, the idea that it is fair for these lazier jobs to pay less is of course subjective.
Claim three: "There are a few exceptions to this where the cost of living is such that $20 an hour would not easily cut it"
Evidence: I am referring to places such as New York City where a one bedroom apartment can easily cost several thousand dollars per month. It would be a lot more difficult for me to budget that with my current job as opposed to my $700 per month mortgage I currently pay.
Are you considering that their is job discrimination even regardless of those education and wealth issues by the job market for certain demographics?
I work in a community where about 40% of the population is African American and about 50% are white so naturally a lot of my coworkers are minority demographics (6 of the 10 people I came in with though it is too large of a building for me to give an exact count on those already here it is about half or so). Not sure how that would look in a community with a higher proportion of whiteys because I have always lived in this community for the entirety of my adult civilian life.
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@Greyparrot
Mexico isn't a race.
Okay, you are right. You've convinced me on that point that I definitely argued against really hard... somewhere...
So what is it about Gonzalo that makes him - according to Trump - a Mexican?
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@dustryder
Yes, the guy that was put under 24 hour protection surveillance after his life was threatened by a member of a drug cartel he pissed off once. I know who was being referred to.
I was asking GP what it was that makes him a Mexican given GP's stance that Mexican is not an ethnicity and the fact that GP has not said he disagrees with Trump about him being Mexican.
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@Greyparrot
Calling someone a Mexican doesn't make any person a racist.
What caused Trump to call him a Mexican? Normally people would say a person is Mexican based on them being from Mexico, but if this man was not from Mexico there must have been some other factor that made Trump say that.
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@Greyparrot
So you agree with Trump that the man in question is a Mexican?
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If the idea is to help people that are not financially privileged enough to afford an education which would allow them to obtain a higher paying job then I don't really see the need.
As it stands now it is relatively easy in many places to get a $18-20 per hour job - more than sufficient in most places for a decent living standard - with nothing more than a GED without even going through an interview process. Such jobs tend to require more actual work than jobs that are just a few dollars above the minimum wage, however, which seems fair.
There are a few exceptions to this where the cost of living is such that $20 an hour would not easily cut it, but these are the exception currently and local minimum wages in those areas would do a more efficient job of covering for those exceptions than a simple-minded doubling of the federal minimum.
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@Greyparrot
Strawman, nobody said it was. But if someone born in Indiana is a Mexican then Indiana must be part of Mexico. Please refresh my memory, what year did that happen?
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@Greyparrot
Mexico isn't a race. Just a heads up there spanky.
I flunked history so excuse my ignorance, when did Indiana become part of Mexico?
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@ILikePie5
I don't really care to defend them either. Just really not an overall priority to me.
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@Fruit_Inspector
It's like the chicken and the egg question. Does morality come from god's nature and actions or do god's nature and actions come from morality? You're making it out like someone is trying to trick you into saying something you don't mean when in reality it's just a question from a person desiring an answer.
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@Fruit_Inspector
But that is not how the biblical definition of good works. God's character is ultimately the standard of what is good.
Yeah, that's basically what is meant. "because God says this" is equivalent to "because God is this way". Read the original dialogue the question came from and you will get it, I linked it in post 59. Get some understanding of the context.
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@Fruit_Inspector
So, does the dilemma you proposed allow for the biblical definition of good?
Yes, obviously. Simply say "That which is good is so because God says it is". Did you miss that option when reading the question?
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I have better things to do, like work at my job.
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@Stephen
Well one could look at the other things that are going on at the very same time. World wide disasters. Famine, plagues and diseases just for starters.
Like I said I couldn't confirm that this so-called virus exists, but you are right those things you list here are things that would require building back, preferably doing so better.
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