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@secularmerlin
Why would demand be higher than it currently is?
Demand is loosely defined as the number of people willing and able to buy. Let's say there are currently 30 people trying to buy a home in my local area. If the two people I am renting my upstairs bedrooms to move out to buy a home there will be 32 people in my local area trying to buy, thus an increase in demand. Potential sellers have more prospective buyers to take offers from, it is made more competitive for the buyers.
Now there may be other separate cases of landlords who own property just for the purpose of renting those properties out and those people may be forced to sell those homes, likely at a loss, rather than upkeep them for no financial gain (option A of my previous post). That may seem to be an increase in supply at first glance (supply being defined as the number of properties for sale on the market) but this would have no effect on the net supply/demand of the market due to that properties previous tenant being added to the demand pool at the same time.
A potentially easier way to think of it... If two friends named Alice and Brandy are currently living together in an apartment because neither can afford the rent alone and not because they actually want to live together (a common situation) then some entity - likely governmental but the details are not relevant - announces that they wish to guarantee everyone has housing then Alice and Brandy will take advantage of that program to get their own places. Now suddenly two living units are required, one for Alice and one for Brandy, where only one unit was required before. Where does that extra unit come from?
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@secularmerlin
The point of my post was to describe the impact that would have on the market. Do you think my analysis was flawed in some way?
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@secularmerlin
Temporarily selling them equity to be repaid at a later date upon the relinquishing of the property to you.
For our purposes that is just option B with extra steps. The point is that if they are at some point relinquishing the property to me because they are moving out then they will need to find some other place to live. Demand for housing would spike while supply at best remains stable, thus all else being equal property prices would increase. If the goal is to make getting housing easier this does not seem like an ideal outcome.
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@3RU7AL
The theory is that rental property would be converted to rent-to-own property, including apartments
It sounds like under that theory I would be legally required to either:
A) Convert my current rental agreement with my tenants to a rent-to-own agreement on a property I do not wish to sell.
B) Stop having tenants, in other words kick them out.
Am I missing some third option?
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@secularmerlin
Would you say that it is WORTHWHILE to find some way to make sure every human POSSIBLE has a home?
I would say it is worthwhile for someone other than me to make sure of that, I have enough on my hands just trying to keep my own in good repair.
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@secularmerlin
100% of the population is a homeowner in that scenario then. You say you wish to keep the economy a free market so the question becomes who is constructing these houses and who is paying them to do so? I understand you say you aren't proposing any specifics but I would need somebody to do so before I agree or disagree with the idea.
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@secularmerlin
I mean stop charging people rent and forgive all mortgages and discontinue all property taxes.
I spent my life savings on a four bedroom house last year and I rent out two of those bedrooms for extra side income. By "stop charging rent" it seems you are suggesting that I be made to allow people to live in the house I spent my life working for without getting anything out of the deal myself. This hardly seems fair.
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@fauxlaw
You're really describing though experimentation.
While physical experimentation would be ideal the theoretical aspect is just as important in many cases, particularly in cases where no direct physical experimentation is even possible such as is the case with silicon based life due to having no examples of it.
When the imperfect option is the only option you have available you take it.
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@ILikePie5
It logically is conceivable that life is based on other elements that do not require the same functions of humans such as respiration.
It literally is not possible. Life requires energy, if you can find a way of having a functional lifeform without inputting energy then you just broke thermodynamics. Respiration is defined as the chemical process of creating that energy which is required.
Here is a challenge for you, next time you feel like making the statement "X might be possible" try instead making a statement closer to "X might be possible and here is why _______".
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@FLRW
Thanks. I never heard of that project with the artificial cells before, seems worth a read.
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@ILikePie5
It’s possible that alien organism do not need oxygen to respirate.
Yes, even carbon based life is capable of respiration without oxygen though it is significantly less efficient due to how respiration works, but there are specific chemical formulas you can look at to see what is possible and what is not.
Let's say you have a scale and you weigh an object. The scale says it weighs 3 kilograms. You weigh another object and the scale says it weighs 5 kilograms. If you want to know what the scale would say with both objects on it you don't have to physically place both objects on it and read the results, you can use your knowledge of weight measurements and math to correctly predict the outcome. Similarly if a biologist wants to know how a theoretical silicon based metabolism could work they don't need to have one to physically examine, they can use their knowledge of biology and chemical formulas to predict the results and thus whether such a thing is even possible.
We could go into detail on the chemical formulas involved if you would like to.
It’s what makes our biology limited to what we already know.
The problem is that what we (humanity) already know seems to be very different from what you (as an individual) already know. As I said there are certain things required by any material before it can be used as a building block of life and silicon simply does not come close to carbon on any of these, which is why when life developed naturally carbon won out despite it's relative rarity compared to silicon. Artificial life is a different story, but your very first post on this topic was specifically in response to a comment I made regarding the natural development of life and besides any artificial life requires some other natural life to develop in order to create it.
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@ILikePie5
We don’t know and we can’t know because our knowledge of biology is limited.
Don't presume that the limitations of your knowledge of biology are necessarily shared by biologists.
Biologists know that the chemical process of respiration is required for living organisms to function. Biologists know the chemical equations involved in this process and can extrapolate from them that a theoretical silicon based lifeform would not be able to respirate using oxygen. Biologists know that carbon posseses several properties that are necessary for a building block of life. Biologists also know that these properties are for the most part less present or sometimes completely missing in the case of silicon.
Let's go back to the basics of your proposal. Why specifically do you propose silicon based life as a likely possibility?
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@ILikePie5
It’s possible Silicon or other element based life forms are possible
Silicon is about 875 times more abundant on earth than carbon yet carbon life dominates every cubic centimeter of the average backyard several feet deep while silicon life remains only theoretical. Why is this?
One of the primary requirements for life is respiration. For carbon life this is easy, oxygen is the most common solution these days but other options exist. Silicon does not react as well with oxygen as carbon does however, so what would silicon life use to respirate?
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@Theweakeredge
He may have simply gotten confused because his alphabet soup he had for dinner last night didn't have any Q's in it.
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@Theweakeredge
It is possible that he is looking at his computer screen through a mirror and got mixed up.
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@Theweakeredge
I think I understand his confusion. p and q look similar when both are lowercase, just flipped around. Common mistake.
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@zedvictor4
And as such I see no reason why P isn't Q.
They are different letters
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@zedvictor4
Does that include paedophilia then?
LGBT folks have always been really hardcore anti-pedo. The reason that association exists is partly because pedo's have tried to sneak their behavior into the movement, which none of the non-pedo's have ever been okay with. Over time that false association has just caused the LGBT's to hate pedofags more and more.
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Smaller debates are more likely to be voted on due to there being more people that actually have time in their life to read it, plus you picked a unique and attention-grabbing topic. Many debates are on topics that have already been debated 50 or so times before and nobody likes re-runs.
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@Vader
I went to take a test and it turns out my test results were positive.
I am worried about you man, you haven't been online for 12 minutes. You still alive?
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@zedvictor4
Okay cool, I don't want a world government and more importantly I never said I did. However you are saying it is impossible for a world government to be capitalistic and I am challenging that claim. Can you back it up?
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@zedvictor4
You're missing the whole bigger picture, relating to "One World".
No, I don't think I am. Look back at my post. I never at any point said I agree or disagree with with you or RM on whether eliminating tariffs and making a world government is a good idea, I just asked how it is socialism since you brought socialism up out of the blue lol.
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@3RU7AL
I find these results do not adequately reflect my radical anti-globalist and radical anti-corporation views.
It does look at the issue of globalism in the nationalism score. If you scored lower on that than you think you should have then maybe take it again and record all your answers to questions relating to globalism and post them here to discuss.
Anti-corporation sentiment is reflected by your low market score.
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@3RU7AL
You asked for a superior alternative to political compass, I think RM just found one. The way the questions are worded is much better, PC felt like it was targeted specifically to people living in the early 21st century and heavily biased towards certain specific viewpoints.
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@zedvictor4
Wouldn't a pure socialist utopia be fabulous?
Not sure what the point of this comment is. The whole "no tariffs" thing RM advocates for in the OP would seem to be a hardcore capitalist's wet dream. Am I missing something?
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@janesix
What has man invented?
Porn.
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@drafterman
Actual rainbow colors:
Very light red
Light red
Red
Dark red
Very Dark red
Light orange
Orange
Dark orange
Light yellow
Yellow
Dark yellow
Light green
Green
Dark green
Light blue
Blue
Dark Blue
Very dark purple
Dark purple
Purple
Light purple
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@secularmerlin
You don't get to decide if I am a nihilist or not.
Uh-oh. Don't let Mopac hear you say that.
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@FLRW
Curiously, all this takes a surprisingly long time. Photosynthesis evolved 1.5 billion years after the Earth’s formation, complex cells after 2.7 billion years, complex animals after 4 billion years, and human intelligence 4.5 billion years after the Earth formed. That these innovations are so useful but took so long to evolve implies that they’re exceedingly improbable.
I think the biggest great filter you list here would be the jump from prokaryotic to eukaryotic cell structures. Science still does not fully understand how this jump was made, though the most common explanation is that in the past a freak event occurred where some prokaryotic cells began a symbiosis and ended up "integrating" together as a single cell that then became the precursor to all eukaryotic life that followed. this does seem like a very unlikely event to occur and it could be the case that the universe is filled with ancient planets billions of years old teeming with simple prokaryotic analogues that simply never had this rare evolutionary development occur.
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@secularmerlin
My post was less about the subjective vs objective debate as a whole and more a response to the specific argument presented in the OP.
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@RationalMadman
something financial has to be done to even the odds and make it a fair system.
Could you be more specific?
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@Theweakeredge
Essentially - you cannot claim that you should do something because something is the case. Why? Well, because that would assume the goal.
In the case of people that believe morality to be objective that goal is assumed to be "to obey God".
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@fauxlaw
The contextual understanding of 19th century English syntax is that "shall have the power" indicates that power may be used, but is not mandatory.
Okay... cool. My question was what person or group argues that it is mandatory? Your OP implies that some or all progressives do so I asked for examples.
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@Barney
1) YES - I did not read all 11 pages but the summary given by Ragnar seems to be an improvement.
2) NO - I love the idea of implementing this as a site feature but as Ragnar points out that is not the subject of this vote.
3) ABSTAIN - I don't care enough about this to take a close enough look at the changes to make an informed vote.
4) YES - Having read the post in question written b Supa Dudz I agree with Ragnar that this would be an improvement.
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@fauxlaw
If you insist, as above in my #1, that "shall have the power" means compelled to use power
Who says that?
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@SirAnonymous
idk why you be tagging me in sports jokes like you think I am going to get it lol.
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Hey guys I found out a few hours ago that today is Superbowl Sunday lol.
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P2. The passing on of the creature's DNA does not necessarily entail truth.
I ran this through Google Translate in an effort to discern what it actually means and it crashed the Google servers and brought the site down for several seconds until the backups came online.
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@3RU7AL
That Ghandi Guy seems pretty chill.
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@3RU7AL
I am not aware of any other tests that use the 2-D graph format as a measurement standard. Actually I am pretty sure I remember something about politicalcompass.com trademarking it so that nobody else could but I may be mistaken on that.
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I agree with many of the flaws pointed out by posters here, but another thing I noticed is that the questions are so specific to our time period rather than just timeless generalized questions. Take this test back 150 years and people would be confused about a lot of the questions and their relation to politics, ex. the questions regarding terrorism etc.
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@RationalMadman
The general idea of having a 2 dimensional as opposed to 1 dimensional scale is nice, a graph is slightly better than a line. The specific questions asked by the specific website you link however are in my opinion deeply flawed.
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@Double_R
have you ever been on ancestry.com?
No
Have you ever heard the stories of your great great great great grandfather?
No
Must be nice to have a family history and culture to look back on.
Honestly sounds overrated to me lol.
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@n8nrgmi
prices are set by supply and demand. not labor costs.
If less goods are produced because less businesses are able to afford to produce it that causes supply to decrease.
If more consumers are able to afford a good because their wages just increased by 20% or more that causes demand to increase.
Decrease in supply, increase in demand. What happens to the price?
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@oromagi
I hope none of these little guys have invested the rent money because most of them are going to be holding on to losing lottery tickets.
Lol hopefully they can get their rent reduced from $900 a month to $250 a month.
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@Soluminsanis
What is the justification for premise one? seems really shaky to me.
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@drafterman
Would you like to be a replacement if necessary?
I can /in as an emergency replacement.
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