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@Wylted
game one he actually seemed to retreat a bit on that philosophy
Actually that is a fair point. Imma go reread the last game and then reread this DP and decide from there.
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@Wylted
I think CC is scum. He is not scum hunting and he has went against his conservative style by character claiming with no prompting. Not to mention his only contributions are fluff.
His DP 1 contributions were mostly fluff last game as well. I think we have better lynch options available.
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@warren42
I asked in mafia chat if you were serious. Why do you want me to reveal our whole team?
Lmao okay smartass enough screwing around, start playing the game.
This fukin' guy.
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You can use those same bullshit reasons on DP2, because the possibility of killing town is always there. It is retarded logic. If we keep using your logic town would never lynch and scum would direct all the kills.
Yeah, this was exactly the point I had last game.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
A combination of information and behavior.
So what happens when you VTNL because 'lol no info dp 1 lol' and the cop dies NP 1?
What happens when you get to DP 3 and realize there are no investigative roles?
Like I tried to explain to you last game there are only two options, let the scum choose who dies or let the town choose who dies, and the only reliable way the town has of making sure they make the correct choice is by trying to figure out who is scum during the DP. If you don't use the DP to find scum then the DP is wasted.
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@warren42
Disc are we still revealing teams? If so should I reveal mine?
Lol only if you are scum.
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@WaterPhoenix
Hmmm, Disc what was your claim?
I didn't claim.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Just answer the question. How do you propose to catch scum?
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@Cogent_Cognizer
It seems to me that you understand our position but you disagree with it. I don't quite understand your position though, how do you propose to catch scum? Just VTNL and let the scum get a free kill in the hopes that an investigative role gets some sort of result that we can talk about next DP?
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@ILikePie5
Okay I see what you were saying before.
No, I'm with Wylted on this one. No need to be a dick. Actually I am pretty sure the reason Club claimed is because of you trying to lynch him off the bat for no reason whatsoever. Was it the right thing to do? No, but still it would likely not have happened if you weren't constantly being a dick to him. But it did happen. And it hurt town. That's on you.
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@Club
Now that you've outted yourself you need to tell us everything about your role. How many other Mason's are there? Can any of you recruit? If so, how many times?
Tell us everything there is to know about your role but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A MASON PARTNER DO NOT TELL US THEIR NAME.
Okay one more time...
IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A MASON PARTNER DO NOT TELL US THEIR NAME.
Tell us everything else about your role though.
Don't fuck this up.
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@ILikePie5
Case in point....please explain to Wylted
I get off break in 6 mins. While I am gone you tell me what you want me to explain to him and if it is still relevant when I return then I will do so.
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@Speedrace
Doesn't Club's claim mean multiple people have the same character? That's trippy lol
No it doesn't. The other Mason could be, for example, green olives.
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@Wylted
If I was a mod and he was scum I would honestly warn him to not out his whole team that blatantly
To clarify I am not saying that I think he is town confirmed. I do town read him though.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Also, since it seems no one else is really helping you to figure out what to do in this game
Yeah maybe was kinda mean of us to try to take advantage of him the way we did.
You have to admit though it would be pretty hilarious if he was scum and got tricked into outting his team on page 2 of DP 1.
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@Wylted
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@Speedrace
So He just now logged off and hasn't answered. Thoughts?
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@bmdrocks21
You have three players asking you the same question now, wylted pie and myself. Please give us an answer quick so we know you aren't scum trying to come up with a fake answer.
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@Wylted
Also why do you always so heavily focus on post 11 on every thread you enter
hmm I did not even notice that lol
unvote
Maybe I am overthinking things.
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@bmdrocks21
People don't normally reveal that, do they?
It helps with POE. Usually we have the newer players do it first because they are less likely to be able to come up with a clever way of misleading people.
So who does your PM say is on your team? You can start with just one name if you would like.
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@Vader
No, you said that it was 100% confirmed.
You said that just now in post 11.
But it wasn't.
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@Vader
Fair enough. I confirmed my role early on.
Why do you keep saying your role was confirmed? Is it because you don't know what the word confirmed means?
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@bmdrocks21
It is fine you will learn, who is on your team though?
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@Wylted
Like I said I understand that you often do weird gambits as town and have often have... unique... ideas.
But getting scum to cc town is just... Have you ever tried that before on DART or DDO? I feel like I would rest easier if I knew you actually tried to do something along those lines before and aren't just making this up on the spot.
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@Speedrace
Did bmd just expose himself?
Uh... no. I see nothing scummy in what bmd just said.
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@Wylted
I have more respect for you than to think you would blindly assume that the theme is something as simplistic as stuff Mharman likes on pizza vs. stuff he doesn't. It could easily be the opposite or something else entirely.
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@Wylted
Also if you were town you should have been more worried about the possibility of pineapple being a town character and being CC'd by a townie. From a psychological POV It is more believable that you would overlook this detail as scum making up a BS excuse than town acting out a premeditated plan.
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@Wylted
They can't randomly CC because when somebody flips it will expose them as scum. Doing a real CC gives them plausible deniability.
So now you are saying it wouldn't put suspicions on them if they counterclaimed you? Not much of a trap if that is the case.
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@Wylted
This makes no sense at all. If you were Club or WP saying something like this then I would town read you for such nonsense but you aren't either of them.
If scum want to counterclaim someones character they can do so at any time, they don't have to wait for someone to actually claim something of theirs because they don't have to tell the truth as much because they don't have to worry about accidentally misleading a teammate. This explanation of yours reads as a mafioso trying to put themselves into a townie mindset, poorly.
Furthermore if you hypothetically were town and scum saw you claiming their character they would immediately know that even if they were able to lynch you then you would just flip as town, meaning they would know from the start that if they did try to lynch you the best case scenario puts a lot of attention on them early on.
It is your flip-flopping and lack of coherency that is making me start to scum read you right now.
I am aware that you often pull odd gambits as town but this one simply is not clicking for me.
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@Wylted
Fine I will claim I am really pineapple but I am vanilla
*Sigh*
Okay, again I want to point out that I am not saying that pineapple must be scum so therefore you must be scum but... what was up with post 11 if you actually are pineapple?
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VTL Wylted
Not because of post 5 but because of post 11. Why would scum counterclaim someone that claimed their actual characters?
Also sure the 'pineapple=scum' meme is funny but we obviously do not know that is actually the case on the first page of DP 1. We ave no idea what makes one ingredient scum and another town.
So yeah for those two reasons I doubt Wylted would do something like that. Oh another thing I just thought of, if he was trying to get a counterclaim why let on so early that that was his goal?
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@Speedrace
We could even retroactively add stats from all the previous games in the sites history. I would be willing to put in leg work but I am skeptical that an elo would be a good idea (which is what it sounds like when you say algorithm). Given the small player sample size and town vs mafia dynamic it would be really easy to screw up.
PM me as to whether you have an idea for an algo already prepared and we can talk more in-depth.
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Mafia is a relatively small thing on this site. You and I could collaborate on an unofficial leader board thread and petition for that thread to be stickied if it becomes popular but I think that is the best we can hope for.
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@Greyparrot
You have to allow for the possibility that others play better when you talk and banter, not when you shut up.
Okay. I will keep that in mind.
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@Alec
Terrible analogy. It is stupid things like that which make people think you are trolling.
A better analogy would be choosing between:
One person with $1mil and 1000 people with $1000 each
Or
One person with $1.8mil and 1000 people with $200 each
This is because your plan of taxing the rich less than the poor does not magically create money from thin air.
If you were creating money out of thin air it would still be a problem because that is something called hyperinflation. Hyperinflation is bad. Hyperinflation would mean that your parents would have to buy you a 2016 Fusion for your next birthday rather than a 2020 mustang. Unthinkable I know, but such are the horrors of a broken economy.
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I did say that if you thought any part of my POE was flawed I would hear you out (post 27).If you had a scum read on speed or club then you could have responded to post 27 by stating that scum read (as either of them being scum would break my POE) rather than responding to it with a vague "well it must be off somewhere"
I can't guarantee that you would have convinced me but I would have heard you out.
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@Greyparrot
I did say that if you thought any part of my POE was flawed I would hear you out (post 27).
If you had a scum read on speed or club then you could have responded to post 27 by stating that scum read (as either of them being scum would break my POE) rather than responding to it with a vague "well it must be off somewhere"
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@Greyparrot
Even if you thought I was scum...for whatever reason...what possible help would town get for pulling the "stfu scum" card at that point? I'm genuinely curious why you think that was a help to town to shut down discussions.
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@Greyparrot
I will answer it now then. If we had lynched Warren and you had died and flipped as town then I would have most suspected club.
Now imagine that I had given that answer before, how would that have helped? I feel like even with you being town the answer to that question was pretty irrelevant. I am not trying to be argumenative. This is a serious question. I wish to improve my town play.
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@Greyparrot
Disc why dod you do the "STFU scum" card on me when I was going through hypotheticals with you?
Assuming you were scum (which I thought you were) then allowing you to look into my head during MyLo would have helped you decide who to kill.
As I said before it is exactly the type of question I would have asked as scum during a MyLo situation. Gather every bit of Intel on every motivation each surviving player has then use that to predict every possible reaction to each night action I might take in order to choose the best path forward.
Was I overthinking things? In hindsight yes. I will admit that I was wrong about you being scum, I was wrong about Speed being town, I was wrong about Supa being scum, etc. A lot of my actions were objectively incorrect. Were they stupid though? No. I don't think so.
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@Speedrace
So you did have a scum read on Oro after all?
Why didn't you just say so when I asked?
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@Vader
I mean the 'in depth explanation' part.
You gave about two dozen different reads on four different people. Of course some of them were bound to be right but I don't see much in the way of in-depth explanation for any of them.
Being right in that way is not something to brag about.
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@Vader
You were my first scum read and I gave an in depth explanation
Where did that happen? I would like to read it.
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I'm not even mad we lost if it means that I have finally found a worthy apprentice.
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@Speedrace
You were against killing CC? You really do have potential.
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@RationalMadman
Who said anything about drinking to be happy? Drinking doesn't make anyone feel any emotion. It's only effect on emotions is that it generally amplifies emotions that a person already feels (results vary by user obviously but that is the most common effect and the one which I experience), which is why I am careful to drink only when I am in a good mood, which I have been for about a week now due to certain life events.
The word 'depressant' doen't have anything to do with the word 'depressed' in the emotional sense. Alcohol is a depressant in the sense that it retards brain activity and dulls a person's senses, particularly hearing and touch.
This is getting off topic for the thread though. If you wish to continue your education on the subject of alcohol we may do so in some other thread. I will speak no more of it here.
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@Speedrace
Killing CC would have backfired hard if not for your play in the DP being fairly good.
You have potential. I have said before that my town play is okayish but as scum I am basically god. If we are ever paired as scum I will take you under my wing and show you the ways.
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