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@ILikePie5
If you are asking who to pressure, I don't particularly mind. WF can be shifty as scum and since hes here, I'll have his claim.
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@Savant
Why were you fervently going after me and even voted me if, you think I am more likely to be town?
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@Casey_Risk
Does he even clearly understand why he's being pressured, though? It doesn't seem that way, given that he said he was still catching up. Personally, I was instantly reminded of Mharman's behavior in Villainous Villains.
I guess... Its NAI for me. Mharman is null for me. I'll vote for him to prevent a mislynch though. Once my day gets easier, I'll get the chance to articulate my scum reads.
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I was planning on rereading the DP, but I got busy and lost the motivation. Savant and Mikal are still ridiculous, but what will you do? Mharman's recent posts strike me as more frustrated than scumminess, but other wise I am neutral on him. Town block is still Casey and Savant. Nothing really changed for them since my last reads. While I might have gripes on Savant, he does try to scum hint and analyze the game, and Casey does the same. Ana is town in my eyes. I can tell Ana is trying to scumhunt and solve and while you can argue with whatever trival matter, she is trying.
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@Casey_Risk
I don't remember if its a common Mhar reaction, but I can see him getting frustrated if he gets pressured in a perceived BS way.
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@Mikal
Sorry you are a busy man. Skim my recent games. Or trust Pie and the multitude of people who are telling you that this is my town play. Can I at least convince you to spend more time focusing on other people so when I get mislynched you have more reads then "trust me bro?"
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Mikal's reaction to being told to read my past games and behavior is "I don't have time for that".
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There's nothing logical about tunneling me. Multiple people have said repeatedly that this is my behavior as town. What am I supposed to do or say? What do you want from me? You are acting highly illogical, if anything.
@Post #480
I. Early Game Coasting
- Post 111: Pushes back on Pie for asking him to post reads. Instead of contributing, he gets annoyed, showing defensiveness
- Posts 117, 170, 172, 173, 179, 215, 221: All are low-content and avoid engagement. He is coasting, without progressing the game.
II. Reaction to Pressure
- Post 233: I apply pressure. Earth promises to post reads, a reactive move, not a proactive one. This suggests he was only willing to contribute under pressure
- Post 235: Posts a reads list that’s extremely basic like he just skimmed the game, with little to no reasoning to back up the reads. Clearly thrown together to relieve pressure, not to solve the game.
- Posts 297, 350 and beyond: Starts getting defensive, and then full claims his role, all from pressure just form a few people
This is how I act as town. Sorry bud. I'll amend this by saying I fullclaimed because you were, and still are, tunneling me for whatever reason. Post 111 is a predictable reaction from me given Pie's general behavior on and off the site (not there's anything bad about though).
III. The Role Claim
- Obscurity: The claimed role is so obscure it's safe, does not risk a CC, and hard to verify.
Again, don't know what to tell you bud. Lunatic gave me the role. Not sure what you want me to do. This is why I called your logic on me circular. Why am I scum? Because I am defensive and cagey, plus additively my role is obscure. Would you think I am scum if I otherwise was town in your eyes and claimed the same role and character?
IV. Why I Pressured HimMy original push was based on:
- Lack of reads or meaningful participation
- Contributing nothing to solving the actual game and only contributing fluff
- Being a potential liability in the endgame
His response to this pressure was:
- Full claim
- Becoming defensive
- Not engage until pressured
Rehashing what you said above. This is how I act as town. You are refusing to pressure anyone else. You are deathtunneling me. If you are Town, stop.
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@Mikal
Say that you manage to lynch me today. I will flip town. What will be your reaction? Please answer.
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@AustinL0926
Also just saying if I was scum then I would have one or two scum partners (dunno how many scum there are in this game, I'm guessing 2 scum and a 3P
Does no one read opening posts anymore? There are 3 mafiosos.
My justification is that Survivor is a show about having physical and mental trials to the very end yadda yadda last town etc.
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@AustinL0926
If you are asking if anyone claimed miller, no. I claim Soldier. If I am the last townie, town automatically wins.
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@Mikal
What reasons were those again? Were those the circular reasons or perhaps was it you getting upset my claim was "convenient" or what? Because so far you are just getting angry at my defensiveness and acting like it's a scumtell. It isn't. Let me guess. When I get lynched and flip town, you'll say I threw.
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Okay...So Mikal is all going "IIOA! IIOA!" and yet he keeps going on about my obscure role. Thats hypocritical. Whats the point of spouting about muh analysis when you haven't played with said person in years and are obviously wrong?
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Thats literally my town meta plus a bunch of bullshit that can't be called scummy.
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@Casey_Risk
I think its not a sure thing if a GF/lawyer exists. 1x cop isn't something I would necessarily counter with a GF.
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@Casey_Risk
Survivor is a popular show. I wouldn't claim a show like that. Its my mod given character. You know, because I'm town.
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@ILikePie5
That was like a day ago bro, I just had a gut reaction to that. Casey long redeemed herself.
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Was that Mikal? Wouldn't surpise me if its fake, but I think its probably genuine.
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@Savant
Stop moving goalposts. Its horseshit you are making such a huge deal. Survivor has lile 5000 seasons after 2000, and you make a huge stink over it debuting in 2000.
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@Savant
Mafia would have left me as a mis lynch target anyway. Are you even serious?
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@Savant
I am not playing tbis game constantly under suspicion. If you FOS me because you have fan fiction of what I did, I don't know what to tell you.
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@Savant
tbh if I am the last surviving town, then town played poorly.
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@Mharman
I don't remember the name, but wasn't it in a recent game?
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@Mikal
@Savant
Yeah, that was the big reason why I debated just outting my character. I felt like if I said "2000", it would have been as good as a hard claim.
@Mikal
And what do you mean Survivor is obscure? It has like 48 seasons.
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@Mikal
If Mikal will get off my ass and stop tunneling me, I am Survivor. I am the Soldier. Survivor is a show with 48 seasons all about surviving physical and mental challenges to the end. If I am the last surviving town member, town wins automatically.
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@Mikal
If I fullclaim, would you stop deathtunneling me? Honest question.
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@Casey_Risk
Point taken with Austin. For my show however, I think the issue simply fell from the mind of town. I would have had no issue if I was part of the whole "everyone claim at once" deal, but I don't really have a reason to anymore.
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@Casey_Risk
As for Earth, I don't like how he considers Moozer being absent to be NAI, but with Austin, it's a scumtell and is going to get him lynched if he keeps it up? Huh???? Maybe he's just a townie with bad logic, but it doesn't help the case for him being town at any rate.
Moozer does seem to be a bit like me in that are like me. Maybe they are lurking scum, or maybe they struggle to find the motivation to read and post. Austin does not have that luxury. Maybe hes busy, but I think Austin knows he can pop in and say hes busy and hes trying to catch up or whatever.
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@Casey_Risk
I don't think WF having non commital reads is an issue. We are a day into DP1 and Moozer/Austin haven't posted yet. If WF continues nulling reading everyone tomorrow, then maybe we should be concerned. Otherwise its nothing.
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@Casey_Risk
I was stream of consciousnessing that post.
Savant seems to be trying to solve the game in a way that I wouldn't expect him to as to as scum. My first thought was the probability shit is probably bullshit, but he's also posting with links to posts and is otherwise putting effort in. Maybe hes scum trying to get town cred but I don't so lol.
I can also see effort on your part. You don't use probability or statistics, but you are trying to read people and you had plenty of back and forths. I think I was iffy on you at first, but you come around.
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Alright. Hey Pie, I finally got some reads.
Savant and Casey are hard town for me. Banana is slightly less town for me, but still pretty town. For my null reads, its something like Pie > Mikal > Wylted = WF. I don't appreciate Mikal death tunneling me. I think its pretty stupid and his logic doesn't really pan out. But, granted, I am town so maybe I am biased. WF does similar things, even in games where I am town. Pie is playing as he usually does, but he is a touch inactive compared to his usual. WF hasn't done much yet and I almost forgot Wylted was playing. Austin and Moozer haven't posted yet, NAI for Moozer. I get Austin might be busy, but I definitely think we should get input from him. I'm obviously not going to suggest we lynch myself, so maybe if Austin will be the lynch if he continues as he is.
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I suppose I'll reread the past few pages and draft up some reads too I guess.
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@Casey_Risk
Why does everyone seem to misinterpret my jokes? That was clearly tongue in cheek.
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@Mikal
How dare you? I think my scum play I had when I was last scum 10 games ago was fine. If you want my claim, just say so. Were you tunneling this hard last game?
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@Savant
Sounds good. I suggest we go with Earth's plan and ask WF to give his full claim at the same time Moozer and Austin give their shows.
Uh, when did I suggest that?
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I feel like we can at least confirm a few people by doing what Savant suggested. Its a pretty good idea. I get the coordination is an issue, but like, can we try?
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@WyIted
You know, I don't know much about it, but there are multiple seasons. I'm debating just outting my show lol.
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@ILikePie5
@Pie
Really? You want me to post my reads practically every time I post?
My show is after 2000.
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