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@Theweakeredge
Anyone who is orthodox will never admit that. To admit it is to say the Bible is not literal. I think what you would run into more is something like
"Attraction is not a choice, but denying it is"
You will always be a sinner in the eyes of the church. Which may be a good or bad thing depending on how much you care.
"Attraction is not a choice, but denying it is"
You will always be a sinner in the eyes of the church. Which may be a good or bad thing depending on how much you care.
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@Theweakeredge
Debating the choice about choosing to be gay with religious people will be never ending. Saying you don't have a choice implies that God made you gay, and since that would contradict the orthodox religious stance on this then it has to be a choice.
That's the summary of every conversation you will have.
That's the summary of every conversation you will have.
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@Mopac
In your mind. What do you have to do to be saved?
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@Mopac
How do you define "the church". A physical church is not a requirement for christianity. If you are referring to the church as a group of people (which I would imagine you are) then anyone who is saved is apart of the church.
Catholics have a bad habbit of being isolationist with their beliefs. That's fine with me, we just will always agree to disagree. I don't think there is one path to Christ (other than repentance). Choosing a sect of christianity is not the prime factor in salvation. So if the claim is that Catholics are the one true sect, then by all means own it. It doesn't harm me either way.
Catholics have a bad habbit of being isolationist with their beliefs. That's fine with me, we just will always agree to disagree. I don't think there is one path to Christ (other than repentance). Choosing a sect of christianity is not the prime factor in salvation. So if the claim is that Catholics are the one true sect, then by all means own it. It doesn't harm me either way.
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@Theweakeredge
It goes into whether you have an orthodox textualist viewpoint or whether you believe more modern views of christianity. These "laws" are considered to be the highest moral code in the bible
It's also not repenting to "someone" with no moral authority. If you are entertaining the idea of the bible and christianity then God is "the one and only" moral authority. He is the scale for objective morality. It's also not just "those ten rules". It's taking the teachings of christ in the bible and reading what they say and attempting to follow them as closely as possible. No one succeeds with it. That's the point of christ dying, he bridged the gap between God's anger and us as sinners. As long as you strive to be the best you can be, have repented to God and mean it, and are actively trying your best then you are forgiven. The difference is choosing to be homosexual goes against biblical teachings. You can be trying to get away from that life style and struggling and still manage to get into heaven but openly embracing it implies a lack of repentance which would mean you can't.
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@Mopac
Agree to disagree
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@Mopac
I would disagree with that. I don't think there is a perfect way to interpret text. Hermeneutics is typically the best way to approach it but as proven through history, that is constantly changing.
Evolution use to be considered nom biblical as preached by the church.
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@Theweakeredge
The short of it is due to the nature of God he would never "command" a christian to kill you. He would deliver justice in judgement.
I think this is more of a question of "can a homosexual get into heaven"
If they are a practicing homosexual and are embracing it with no desire to change, then biblically the answer is no you can't
If they are a homosexual who is repented and trying to change but still fall short and acknowledge that it's sin, then yes.
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@Mopac
It depends on how you look at it. Sure, the nature of God doesn't change but the God you see in the old testament is the opposite side of the coin of the one you see in the new. From a theological point of view when Christ died he took the sins of humanity on himself. So when people read scriptures out of context, it's very easy to frame it as
"God kills all gays" (for example)
God obviously is still the same person but his anger was quelled when Christ died (at least until judgement). From there it is whether you are a textualist or you take the bible as non literal.
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@Theweakeredge
Depends on if you find someone who reads scripture literally. Apologetics would say the type of God you are referring to was put to rest when Christ died for our sins. The God of the old testament that is.
The Bible itself is more of an outline and more often than not, it's taken way to literally
The Bible itself is more of an outline and more often than not, it's taken way to literally
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