Elminster

pie literally found this out instantly 

nothing about this game was scum sided. Even with all the calls I made, town only lost this because they were literally lazy af. This entire game had like 1/10 of the posts of the mafia pm

1) earth was confirmed town because bullish jail kept him

2) there was no world where earth should have got voted because a nk could not have happened if he was scum on np 2

3) When bullish died it confirmed he was jk and that came down to whether wf of parrot was scum since earth was town lock

4) The only way a kill could have happened on the night bullish blocked wf, is if wf was strongman. Because if bullish jk whiteflame, and wf was scum there could not have been a kill

5) a literal google search on the books would have gave away the theme. We picked it up in like 3 mins of searching

The only reason town lost this was because they were lazy, and this was on top of me having near perfect calls. Game was certainly balanced. 

Not at all

to answer both you and GP

1) I wanted popular to die 

why

a) Paranoid about Judas the entire game

b) to get past dp1, I hate it

2) What is a way to do that and get information? I perfectly well could have let the wagon go on him, but notice that he was one of the first on me and didn't even mention the vote count and look how fast others jumped on me. Getting an easy mislynch is the goal of mafia, and missing facts like that is something they would avoid. I told myself I was going to town lock the first person to bring it up (bullish in this case). Because it was glaring obvious at the end of the DP with the 7/5. I was curious if I would get a reaction from throwing that vote there, did not expect to get the type of reaction that I got. Which was just blatantly disregarding that he was already dead. 

The fact that he got on the wagon, didn't mention it, and also was online during the np (quick nigh phase which he brought up himself ironically, almost as if he was thinking about it way to much). Makes me lean toward him. Granted I have not played with him. Not sure if he would just mishammer and be like "o hey, i'm a noob my bad" or if he is actually enough of a noob to misread the count 

I would def wager most people don't have the balls I do, to just decide and go with it so 

1) was a mistake and he actually killed him by mistake

2) it was intended and going to be framed as "accident"

the vote served 2 purposes 1) get rid of my paranoia about judas while ending dp1 because its aids, and 2) see who would bandwagon on the last person who votes without even mentioning the vote count

As far as his claim, I think it's quite likely that could be his actual character and if I were betting, mafia as in past games likely have some role to tell them what is in the game as far as roles (because of no fake claims to balance it). 

Will sleep on this more tonight, but that claim is very good fake claim. Whether I'm willing to actually go after him or just throw that mistake up to noob is something I'm still debating. Because it's also possible he just fucked up, and mafia would jump on the wagon for the mislynch. I think there is a lot more to be learned with who is on the wagon / who ignored that he was the kill more so than directing everything at him. The reactions around it are more important currently partially because I know nothing about him, and being wrong about him (if he is actually telling the truth, could quite literally fuck us)

If people start to look at things past face value, it often adds layers that aren't so obvious. Back on later to check up, but really think on that. 

I'm saying that claiming in that way is strange especially as a princess unless you know there is a reason to

Connor has had games (multiple ones), where there is a role that gives every role in the game and says (pick this) or (pick that). 

You don't need to fake characters if you know what roles exist, because it's a very solid way to claim something like that and then explain away not being night killed. Add to that, that literally *no one*, other than bullish pointed out that he was the hammer. It's interesting to think you can be the overkill and people can just not look at the person who actually killed him right?

imagine if I didn't do that, he would be the one being pushed? who is not pushing him and why?  It's a curious wagon on me dontcha think

Have you been in Connors games where he says

pick "x" or "y"

fake claim =/= mafia intel 

that or he felt is *was safe* to claim. Scum don't need fake claims (luna said he wasn't giving them), but they have to feel confident in being able to claim. 

also I'm pretty sure bullish is town because he was the first to notice that I wasn't *the hammer*

I was waiting for someone to point that out.  ( I saw this prior to be voting)

Also wanted to see how many people would jump on me, without even looking at the vote count *because I was the last vote*

More intrigued , how no one saw this or took the time to point it out when it ended this obviously. 

ask yourself why would I do that?

I guess what interests me is of course I'm going to play like I always do, but why are seasoned players not looking at claims, how they were claimed, when they were claimed and even discussing it. This day phase is going into a death tunnel on me (albeit warranted), but not even consideration of *anything* else that has happened in this game thus far. 

blessing is, its only like 20 mins away so not god awful, just way bigger place

you can visit now!

Whys that? don't you think his claim is a perfect fake claim as scum if he got away with it? Mafia would not target him because they would skip a night phase, so him being alive will always be explained.  If he was town,  don't think you think there may be some pressure aimed at him because as town, mafia would want to lynch him. If we are referring to the version I often see on here / ddo

if its simply that he dies in anyway and it skips a dayphase, he is likely trying to bait a kill(bomb, pgo, etc). Do you take his claim at face value?

What do you think his intent was posting that as a opening?

Noted

I'll make sure to express my intent more vividly next time

every time I vtl someone, or get ready to kill them, I'll add something like this

How else would you want me to say it

"yeet motha fucker, good bye" ?

I was betting judas, but still the chance he was lynch proof or some shit. 

I think you misunderstand. I said I'm likely not going to be able to play that much. Granted "that much to me" is unfortunately still equal or more than an average user on here I suppose. Normally I have like 2 or 3 x the amount of posts of everyone in the game, I can't play like I normally do. I still can check in (we are packing a bit every day, it's not *all in one day* moving but certainly taking some of my time. Have to be gone by the 25th

As far as the fast hammer. I don't second guess my reads. I just go with it and hope for the best. 

I am mafia and the rb, or jk stopped the nk 

I am town and jk targeted me thinking I was mafia , and mafia tried to nk me 

Mafia waived 

Unless there is some weird balance with 2 protect roles or blocking roles. 

I use jk and jailor interchangeably that may be confusing you. The third was tracker. 

This is all confirmable

Tracker , jailor (jailkeeper) , role blocker. 

Alert townie

I can see roles that visit me 

Sometimes you just have to live in the moment. You know make that clutch call about a Judas. Sometimes it's wrong , sometimes it's right. But no regret 

Hello baby. 

I did , character is the regulators 

Anyway back to moving , I'll check in later. I can see what visits me 

Also 3 people visited me

Tracker 

Jailer 

Role blocker

Getting people here to cooperate is a pain the ass so that was a glaring opportunity to take it in my own hands. 

I don't think I'll have enough either. If someone else is after I'd bump them. Mines going to need to many people 

Nada I was letting him go first but I need the same amount so not sure if I will get it atm. Ill start sending out private invites and see how many responses I get 

fun game all.

got to say calling out scum when i was town, and then 180ing the read when i replaced in as scum was fun af

town just won

im not scum lmfao

its np4

re read most of this. this is so obviously speed its painful and I still don't fault anyone for going for me. He played this well 

I really think scum have a role that shows them whats in the game and America was a fake claim because of the lack of things to claim in the game. Any non major nations is basically insta sus. Its why there was a fast cc, not enough stuff to claim. 

he claimed (2x) doc

it would not seem that sus if he knows there is a bp

pie was prob cop and the protect role was left open to help mafia

explains the miller, explains most everything

more than that its his behavior last dp. He was death tunneling me because he knew he was going to kill supa to force the kill on me here because he felt doctor was safe. He also got tied to that as well

you visited yourself 

are you mixing up your story

The damning part about this is the supa kill and the attempt to fast lynch me before we could even talk

There is no world where I kill supa. I mislynch him or leave him and speed up for a mislynch chance

The only weapon who would kill supa is speed. It puts him and me against each other and he feels doc is a safe enough claim to push the lynch on me and win 

Safe enough they didn't think a bp and and doc would stick out. 

Then sensor and cop makes sense to counter it 

Also explains the miller from balance. 

This x 10

Game may start piecing itself together. Maybe they had some info to assume a doc was not in the game. 

Sensor and cop can def exist If mafia have roles that allow them to see what's in the game. 

Like a mafia role that tells them every role in the game. I think drafter had this last game.

Theory 

Some role like I mentioned

They took america as a fake claim

Saw a bp was in the game and figured they could get away with doc without much sus

And wanted to tunnel me because he knows I'm the last investigate role. Also explains the nk on supa to force a fast lynch on me. 

Pie may have actually been cop which makes sense with the miller. 

We may have solved. 

Not just a doc but a self doc and you are town confirmed. It's almost a direct cc lol 

@wf more thoughts later when I'm around. 

You are a bp and speed is a doc. It's a soft cc. You not saying that just accidentally caught him I think. 

going back and reading the other day phases , the desperation in him to get the lynch on me last dp and the desperation now. This should be entirely obvious

not much else I can say

I don't blame you guys if I end up being the target of today. This was played really well by him and from a town poe I understand why I'm the target here for some people. I know hes scum and i know this is wifom

but i literally have a sensor result and hes the only person left alive.  

Look at behavior, please god. You can even look at the lack of a nk and no one going to him to see that he waived 

Please god listen to reason on this

1) his behavior all of last dp and most of this game has been to blind tunnel without even a second thought of if hes wrong. AS town that thought of him being wrong would exist in his head, unless he has a pre informed perspective about how things will play out. He did not want to risk us getting to the second round of sensor on np4 and wanted me dead. The only reason i was not the nk last night was because he knows it puts him in a position where he can lead a mislynch. 

2) We don't know what roles mafia has. The fact that supa saw just speed visit himself actually clarifies this. There was no nk and he claimed doc. Supa would have saw someone visit him if speed protected himself. They prob waived the night kill and had a action he used on himself.  This could give credence to the doc claim. That or you think there is a ninja or some role like that

3) We have no idea what pie was , its quite easy for speed to yoink doctor as a fake claim.  Its also possible pie could be cop, and they got doctor as the fake claim

There is to much fuckery with this game. Look behaviorally as to what is happening and its totally fucking obvious. Its speed being speed and they have some really op roles that fuck with stuff. 

wait what

i missed this when i was re reading the dp?

what do you mean oracle lol?

can you please remove this if you are town until we talk

i understand that you don't fully grasp whats happening but voting votes up on last dayphase willy nilly is not good

The bro has prob never played and doesn't know where his votes are going or what purpose they serve probably. I don't have to advocate anything. Thought it was a mafia vet but now doubting. 

I just have to prove you are doing the same shit you always do that burns everyone, and hope they dont throw lmao

"luna confirmed town"

lmao forever trying to lick assholes so you can get the fast hammer 

10/10