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@whiteflame
If you assume I'm town, and you should because of Earth's flip, then the best lynch from your perspective is between MC/Oro.
If Pie's scum, his partner is likely among MC/Oro, not Speed/Luna/Coal.
If Pie's town, there's at least one scum among MC/Oro. Again, 50% odds.
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@coal
If you believe Pie's town, who do you want to lynch?
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The weird thing is Oro's belief that me & Earth were both town.
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whiteflame, same question. You assumed it was a fake result. Why?
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Coal & Pie, why'd you both assume I was fakeclaiming my result on Earth?
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Unvote
Pie, can you link me your most recent town & scum games?
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I tried to protect RM last night by giving him an armor. I wasn't told what the armor does, but looks like it didn't work.
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@coal
Post 510.
Pie believes it's likely that I'm scum if Earth flips town. You suggest the theory is plausible because I've done similar things as scum. Your claim is false.
Pie needs to reevaluate. If he doesn't, it's strongly indicate that he's scum. You are not making this easy by adding "justification" for his theory.
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Do you really want to be the most townread person in the game?
I want to be read based on the reality of my play & meta.
And I want accurate analysis of Pie's alignment, which requires accurate analysis of my meta.
Whether I'm the "most" townread has nothing to do with this.
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So Coal is spreading false paranoia about me by referring to non-existent games from my past... something to keep in mind.
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btw anyone who thinks I'm scummy in this game needs to consider a couple things:
1. There's plenty of meta available on DDO. My play here is exactly like my town games, and very far from my scum games. I'm a very bad scum player.
2. The players who know me have confirmed this in this game already.
I understand that I'm unknown, and also that my play is different from what you're used to. But remember, different doesn't equal scummy. It's just different.
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@coal
What was this game called?
You're making stuff up about my meta.
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@Speedrace
Before you hammer Earth, please list your reads on everyone & the game state as a whole, and allow time for people to ask you questions about them.
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@MisterChris
I'd like to have a conversation with you to address your concerns about me & to get your thoughts on Earth/Pie.
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In fact, I challenge Coal to identify a game where I've taken a similar risk.
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I don't take unnecessary risks. That's a false claim by Coal.
Spreading false paranoia = scummy. Coal is now below whiteflame on my reads list.
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@coal
Response to post 510.
That is the kind of risk you've taken before.
No it's not. I've never done anything close to this. Nor would I.
Luna has, but not me.
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I'd like everyone to weigh in on the following points about Pie:
1. The internal inconsistency of viewing Earth & me as his top scumreads. In my experience, townies usually try to solve the game as a whole, whereas scum tend to list out individual reads, which often ends up producing internal inconsistencies of this very type.
2. Pie claims that I'm scum if Earth flips town, which is to say, Pie believes I'm so scummy that he's willing to believe I'm a scum who randomly faked a guilty on a townie rather than town. Pie has yet to list reasons for why I'm so scummy that he's willing to believe something that almost never happens (i.e. extremely unlikely).
Given these two points, is there any reason to believe Pie is town?
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I don't believe scum Oro would talk to town me the way he did. Scum tend to be more cautious around unknown townies. All the other stuff people said about Oro isn't compelling evidence either way.
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Let me understand, Pie.
If Earth flips town miller, you'll believe I'm scum who randomly faked a guilty result on a townie?
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Pie, are you trying to solve the game? It doesn't seem that way to me. The normal way townies think is, "Earth is likely scum, so FT is probably town. Who are Earth's likely partners?"
Have you considered Earth's likely partners? Who are they?
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I don't understand how Pie lists me & Earth as scum. Based on the game so far, everyone should view that as a very low probability team. This type of internal inconsistency is very scummy. I'd lynch Pie off this alone.
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I'll explain a few things.
Coal's town because of a specific post (can't remember the number but can find if necessary) where he demonstrated a level of nuance uncommon for scum. Coal, in particular, isn't very subtle in his analysis as scum.
MC's town because of deep paranoia regarding me. Scum aren't usually this paranoid of the guy who proved a day cop claim. This read changes if Earth flips town.
RM's town because of claim & level of effort in the game. It's unusual for scum tryhard this much. It's plausible that RM's just that tryhard as scum, but I'm willing to read as town for now.
Pie's townier than Speed because Pie at least played the game, and he's had a couple hints of towniness e.g. paranoia of me. Pie's scum because of what I've already said.
Earth's scum via play (scummy pop in followed by very weak survivalist posting) and investigation.
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I asked for reads, not explanations. You chose to give explanations, which generally weren't very helpful or insightful.
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Oro - Lean Town already said why, I’ll C/P later
Explain.
RM - Likely Town based off of role claim plus pushiness
So, role claim. Got it.
FT - FoS because he’s all over the place and literally takes a second to switch his scumreads
My role claim is confirmed (via guilty on Earth), but I'm scum? Explain.
Switching reads isn't scummy. It's actually a town-tell, because scum don't know how to fluidly change reads. They're more focused on appearing consistent (most of the time).
Chris - Null, still want 6/6 votes on him but stubborn townies don’t want to do it cause it’s supposedly a waste of time to cover our flanks.
You don't have any thoughts on this player's posts? What do you make of the fact that he's pushing my lynch instead of Earth?
Lunatic - Null, his analysis isn’t indicative of his affiliation. I will say that he has pushed me first in the past to get me out of the way. That being said he hasn’t posted as much cause of work
Again, no thoughts. I can see you're really trying to solve this game.
Coal - Null, argument with RM doesn’t help cause RM is likely town. RM is at fault for being an idiot about this with his mass claim
Alright, nothing.
Earth - Scum, I don’t like Miller claims in the first place plus the outting is extremely scummy. His aggression is also very concerning
You think I'm partners with Earth? Why would I bus him the way I did?
WF - Null, he’s hard to read DP1 in general
What makes him difficult to read?
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Level of play on this site is even worse than I expected, which is saying a lot.
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Whatever.
Pie doesn't have reads.
My current reads, from most town to most scum:
Oro
Luna
Coal
MC
RM
whiteflame
Pie
Speed
Earth
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Pie, post your reads in exactly 2 minutes from this post. I will post mine at the same time, so that way I can trust you didn't base yours on mine.
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Coal, stop cluttering this game with non-game stuff please.
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Pie, my question was about your reads as a whole, not two specific players. You've yet to answer this, leading me to believe you don't have reads.
I will answer your question about my reads after you answer mine. Do you even have reads?
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RM, please refer me to the specific posts where you explain your town read on Earth.
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RM, why do you town read Earth? This is what I want to know.
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RM states:
Earth being scum or town has no help to us once we eliminat him, we're in the dark and mafia aren't.
Apparently, eliminating a scum doesn't help "us."
I freely admit that I don't have the brain capacity to make sense of this statement using "logic."
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Post 403 strikes me as a scum slip.
I also still think post 17 was one of the scummiest things in the game. It's a subtle form of virtue signaling (i.e. emphasizing uninformed perspective about the game) that almost always comes from scum.
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Pie, why do you believe Earth that he's a miller but you're voting him?
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RM, I'd like an answer to my question. Why do you town read Earth?
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I'm considering whether RM's spewing a normal level of nonsense, or if it's indicative of scum.
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