FourTrouble

Oro, I provided you multiple pieces of evidence to lynch Pie. Why are you ignoring these?

I guess Pie/RM is a plausible team at this point.

Why would town feel insulted for being town read? An abnormal response, to say the least. Is RM intentionally trying to obscure his alignment?

Post 100 feels like scummy WIFOM. We might need to lynch here before Pie.

It's actually a compliment to be townread as town. It shows skill at town telling, which is often enough to swing a game from a scum loss to a town win.

Question: is town or scum more likely to feel insulted at being town read? 

My instinct says scum.

Oro's reads were quite sensible given his scumhunting framework. He's very strong town.

RM, I can tell you're town. Please help me on Pie. The fruits will be worthwhile.

Coal's refusal to join my wagon on Pie is concerning, that's true.

Here's a lesson: mafia is mafia. Informed minority vs uninformed majority. There's no difference other than minor meta things that don't affect how I scumhunt. 

Attempting to discredit me is extremely scummy.

All the classic tells coming from Pie here.

Post 66. Classic scum tell. Discredit the strongest scum hunter in the game.

RM's mind doesn't work too well, coal. He's town.

Look, proving someone's role doesn't tell us anything about alignments. It's a complete waste of time. A benefit for the scum.

I'm by far the most experienced and trustworthy scum catcher in this game. I'm the kind of person you lynch at LYLO if I haven't led a lynch on scum yet.

Testing MC is a distraction and waste of time.

Your eye is untrained. Please trust.

Post 47. Another scum post. Please lynch this.

Post 17 is a scum post. Awkward attempt to look like you're doing something.

RM, vote Pie. He's likely scum.

White flame, vote for the pie guy.

Post 17.

I don't think claiming is useful. Just lynch.

I'll get to this tomorrow. Don't lynch anyone until I have a chance to post, please.

Limited activity is fine with me.

I also strongly prefer (and suggest) longer days than 48 hrs. Unless I'm mistaken, weren't DDO days like 72 hrs or something? 

I see your point.

Do you disagree with me about this? I'm guessing you do lol. 

You're right. I actually wrote "immutable characteristic" first, but changed it because I wanted to emphasize immutable vs mutable rather than characteristic vs preference. Perhaps wrong. 

From what I understood, you are okay with people choosing not to date blacks. That's the equivalent of saying you're okay with racist behaviors. In contrast, I think we should condemn racist dating preferences. 

Notably, it's virtually impossible to know if someone's making racist dating decisions, so I don't think this sort of social condemnation runs the risk of "cancelling" anyone. Rather, it subtly encourages people to reshape their dating preferences in ways that benefit society as a whole. 

Maybe you misunderstood this:

To be clear, people are free to do whatever they want within the confines of the law, and that includes holding racist beliefs and even enacting those through their dating practices. Don't confuse my analysis of what something is with whether I think we should regulate a behavior through legal means.

The issue I'm addressing is whether racial preferences are racist in dating. They are. Why? Because they reflect our society's deep obsession with the illusory category of "race," an obsession that both stems from & perpetuates racism. Aesthetic preferences don't exist in a vacuum; they're tied up with the way our society views everything.

The dream of a color blind society (i.e. a non-racist society) is possible only if we stop expressing racial preferences. Anything that perpetuates our society's obsession with race is racist. But if we stop expressing preferences on the basis of race (in dating or elsewhere), then race as a concept wouldn't even be intelligible. That's a world in which maybe you could hold an aesthetic preference for darker-skinned dating partners without being racist, because in such a world, racism wouldn't even be intelligible as a concept. And this is the world that ginger haired people live in -- there's simply no social or conceptual framework for classifying people on the basis of their hair color.

As for interracial dating, it has a strongly "anti-racist" effect because it promotes a color blind view of the world, which resonates outward from the couple to their families, friends, and communities. In general, people underestimate the impact that individuals can have through simple acts, as simple as dating someone from a different race. 

To be clear, I'm not saying we have an ethical duty to engage in anti-racist dating practices. But I certainly think that "race" shouldn't be considered at all when dating (or anywhere else), and therefore we should strive to make dating decisions on the basis of other stuff.

This is also distinguishable from sexual orientation. We're talking about "race," something that's entirely 100% a social fact. Sexual orientation is considered an immutable characteristic, fundamental to our nature. Aesthetic preferences are culturally relative and mutable.

I never said this was systemic racism. This is racism that operates through individuals.

In other words, you don't mind racism. The problem with this view is that it causes a lot of harm to a lot of people.

The places that already require some sort of vaccine passport (e.g. certain countries in Africa) are places you probably wouldn't want to live.

I'm against the entire project of control in the name of public health. Very dangerous game to play, especially when we don't have anywhere close to a sufficient or consensus understanding of what constitutes "public health." The term is slippery enough for government to eventually define anything (e.g. "political disagreement") as a public health menace. Not the world I want to live in.

Interracial dating is one of the strongest anti-racist actions available to us. Much stronger than, say, diversity trainings.

If you prefer to hire white employees over blacks, it's racist. So too if you prefer to date whites over blacks.

Yes, some people are "unintentionally" attracted to physical features that they associate with a specific race. But that's usually a cultural artifact, one you can change through increased exposure. As with foods, you can expand your palate to include items that initially induced a gag reflex. If you're young and a committed anti-racist, porn might be useful in this respect.

But more importantly, physical features shouldn't be the only or main factor you take into account when dating. Find someone whose personality you enjoy. And the physical attraction will usually follow, if you allow it.