Fruit_Inspector

You are of the stupid belief that taking a mishmash of verses from the New & Old Testaments in the hope that they appear to dove-tail nicely for the reader and that they will take this as one complete and coherent story is nothing less than slight of hand, by YOU!   

We are not all as stupid as you believe we are. 

CONTEXT!!!

This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.Genesis 6:9

[Zechariah and Elizabeth] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.Luke 1:6

And if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless. 2 Peter 2:7

By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. Hebrews 11:4

Let me know if you need any more lessons.

CONTEXT!!!!

The core idea is that race is a social construct, and that racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies.

I am extremely impressed with your rhetorical skill and tenacity.

"Treat others with fairness" is completely different than "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets."

How exactly ?

The difference is that you pick and choose but you don't know why. You didn't answer the question: 

Do you love your neighbor as yourself? If so, why do you reject the other commands like wearing fabrics of multiple materials?

It's strange that you would presume to know the contents of my mind.

I treat my neighbor like I treat all humans, not necessarily with "love" but with fairness and respect.

You know why you pick and choose ?

Can you perhaps link to some source that supports your cherry-picking ?

I've quite honestly been trying to find a coherent moral theory of the old testament ever since I was a small child (when my questions were ignored).

Would you say that deportation = murder ?

Depending on how you define deportation, no.

Let's say some people show up at the border of your country and say that they are fleeing for their very lives.

You ask them to present evidence, and they only have eye-witness-testimony (which is considered solid-gold in a civil court).

You tell them they need better evidence, like corroborating testimony and or photographs or video or something.

They don't have any evidence other than their own eyes and ears.

So  you reject their application and send them back to where they came from.

AND THEN THEY ARE MUTILATED AND OR KILLED.

It almost seems like "murder" to me.

Did god design and program the reproductive and other survival instincts of humans and animals ?

Forget about god for a second.

Would you blame me if something I made catastrophically malfunctioned ?

What philosophy will lead to NOT total-government-control ?

What's that one called ?

The admonishment "love your neighbor as yourself" is functionally indistinguishable from "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is functionally indistinguishable from "treat your fellows with fairness".

Do you follow all the old testament laws, or do you cherry-pick the ones you like ?

Would you say that deportation = murder ?

If I created a planet and I genetically engineered plants and animals to live on that planet and I programmed the reproductive and other survival instincts of those animals and then, at some point, those animals went haywire and started killing each other like crazy.

i noticed this debate has been pivoted from systemic racism to affirmative action and random crt things

Critical race theory (a college elective course)

This has nothing to do with their worth as people and to suggest otherwise muddies the waters of thos discussion.

This is incorrect. Implicit racism can be seen and pointed out just as explicit racism despite racists not being explicit in order to avoid the social and political backlash.

I have no opinion of "Marxism".

How afraid should I be and why ?

Until you can demonstrate that a God exists this argument is irrelevant. Do you have an argument against abortion not based in your religious faith?

If he’s all powerful then he can do whatever he wants.

And I thought God was supposed to be merciful? Whatever happened to that?

And you still haven’t addressed the point here… why is it wrong to sin? Wrong says who?

How are you claiming he is not responsible for what happens within a system that he created?

Why is murder wrong, and how does the answer to this question apply to an early stage fetus?

But more importantly, you believe God is all powerful and all knowing… therefore not only does he have the power to nullify sin and not only is he the only reason sin is a “problem” in the first place, but it also means he created each of us already knowing what we would do and chose this version of reality over any other he could have picked from. So if he is real then your sin was actually his choice, not yours.

Do you ever eat meat and dairy products in the same meal ?

Do you ever wear fabrics that are made from more than one material ?

Do you ever cut the hair that falls in front of your ears ?

I have trouble believing the egyptians had no basic sense of fairness before Abraham showed up.

you know what i mean------ please provide evidence its being taught in elementary schools widely around america

I don't want anyone telling me what I can or cannot do with things INSIDE MY OWN BODY.

THEREFORE, I will not tell anyone else what they can or cannot do with things with things INSIDE THEIR OWN BODIES.

It's a matter of jurisdiction.

If a stranger wanders into my house, I can kick them out on the street.

THEREFORE, if I wander into someone else's house, I can be kicked out on the street.

In other words, the golden rule IS the Law.

And I'm super impressed that Abraham was able to write the old testament and email it to the pharaohs of egypt and the emperors of ancient china.

lol please provide evidence its being taught in elementary schools widely around the world.

Why am I not panic stricken ?

knew it. Whats wrong about it? you dont agree with it? I dont even agree with some of the things critical race theory sometimes advocates for (affirmative action) (sometimes segregation) i dont think we should ban it. its not like there's a huge problem of it being taught in elementary schools.

hes tryna make it sound like CRT is a huge problem right now as most conservatives did suddenly (ron desantis) (tucker carlson).

Although I think we can agree that skin-tone should be deleted from POLICY, I don't believe skin-tone should be deleted from HISTORY.

But history does not justify current discrimination. That is what is happening today explicitly against white people.

What are you talking about ?

Although I think we can agree that skin-tone should be deleted from POLICY, I don't believe skin-tone should be deleted from HISTORY.

Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

So you want a biblical Christian ethic to be the foundation of our society?

And you don't ?

WHY DID GOD MAKE SO FEW GOOD (CHOSEN PEOPLE) HUMANS AND SO MANY BAD HUMANS ?

I MEAN, GOD DID DECIDE TO WIPE OUT NOAH'S NEIGHBORS AND THE TWIN CITIES OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH, WHY NOT INTERVENE NOW ?

They care significantly less, especially about "illegal" immigrants.

Why prioritize "in america" ?

Also, if you want to "save lives" you get much more efficient results investing in mosquito nets and clean water systems.

Yes, they're "both bad" but not nearly to the same degree, and it's somewhat shocking that anyone would even attempt to equate the two.

I believe any policy that has an EXPLICIT and specific reference to skin-tone, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion and or creed should be deleted.

I do not generally support "Affirmative Action" policies.

WHO MADE THE MALFUNCTIONING HUMAN ?

YOU'VE COMPLETELY MISSED MY POINT.

WHY THE **** DO UNBORN BABIES AND TINY CHILDREN GET PRIORITY TREATMENT ?

Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Using that same logic, policies that lower standards for black people

Please be slightly more specific.

You inserted yourself into an argument that already had a context,

That's how a public forum works.

The argument is essentially that because the U.S. engaged in slavery in the distant past,

Nope, that is NOT "the argument".

You just don't know the answer if the truth is known. You are just another bible ignorant cretin in the line of the other bible ignorant cretins here who simply want to use this platform as your own pulpit but buckle at the first challenge. But let me tell ya, this is a RELIGION forum , it is not a RELIGIOUS forum. So if you are not prepared to be criticised and challenge on that which you believe, you are on and in the wrong forum.

Now go back to bed, teddy is waiting.

When did I ever see this? I said it is inevitable that more of an oppressed demographic will be socially disadvantaged than a demographic that is not. I would appreciate it if you address only the arguments I actually make. 

No I have only said that societies systematic oppression has the net consequence of limiting opportunities and promoting social ills. A poor person is not inferior to a rich person. 

It is neither a secret nor particularly difficult to see. Culturally the United states has been oppressive to people of color.

The point is not that any official government body states overtly that people of color should be oppressed but that official policy has tended in the past and continues to be skewed towards maintaining a status quo in which statistically people of color suffer disproportionately. 

you accept that there are pro-lifers involved in different charitable organizations

Yes, for the third time.

• "The main 'problem' is that after the child is born, women are kicked out of the 'we want to help you' circle."
  

I have an opinion but that is irrelevant.

This statement scuttles our entire conversation.

I'm glad you agree.

If you were flying in a brand new plane and the plane's wings suddenly fell off and you somehow survived the crash, would you perhaps blame the manufacturer ?

Some "stereotypes" are based on real-world-data.

Some "stereotypes" are not based on real-world-data.

Black people are poorer than white people.

Black people are less intelligent than white people.

Lower the standards and give more money to the poor unintelligent black people.

The whole "problem" is solved.

That is racism - both in its view of black people and its discrimination of white people.

Oh, and don't for get to make sure you answers are biblically verifiable and in "context". 

black people (not all) are usually or more likely to be born in high poverty areas more likely to be surrounded by crime, more likely to have a dad in prison more likely to drop out more likely to do powdered drugs.

in that sense it is stereotyping but again doesn't take away from the argument since its a fact black people are more likely to do drugs.

you need to explain the connection between having sex and being responsible for ensuring that an early stage fetus develops into a fully functioning human being.

I don’t know why. As far as I can tell you believe God is the all powerful all knowing supreme ruler of the universe and yet isn’t responsible for what happens within it. Tell me how that works.

They're moved to the front of the line when pregnant, and then moved back to the middle or end of the line when they're not.

The smaller the child, the more inexplicably important it is to the charity workers.

Before you start jumping to conclusions, please explain what you believe would be more effective than incarceration.

So the government doesn't need tax dollars because they can just print money? That's your argument?

More specifically, the treasury prints bonds and they trade the bonds for dollars (cartel notes) in a private auction.

I'm not questioning who or what carries out the execution; how can a corrupt government exercise a divine prerogative?

You're equating "leaving a child to its own devices" to "leaving it in a ditch."

The current system of "punishment" is demonstrably counter productive.

Sure, some of them probably are involved with other charity work, 

• "The main 'problem' is that after the child is born, women are kicked out of the 'we want to help you' circle."

I'm suggesting you're projecting your perfectly rational understanding of how a working-class person handles their finances onto the government, and that's only a fair comparison if that working-class person has a 100% legal money printing machine at their disposal.