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My main point is that scientific findings can be interpreted in favor or against Theism, it just depends on how one examines and interprets the evidences.

Fuck with me of course this would be your destiny boy. You're all talk thinkin' I'm all talk pahahahaha

Know your fucking place. End of story. I am the grittiest motherfucker in this game and you?

Teen Kanye.

EtrnlVw to my knowledge does not even feel comfortable identifying as a Christian

As you can see, ET indeed calls himself Christian yet his beliefs are polarized from yours.

And unless you've been locked in a dungeon your entire life, you'd understand most all Christians think other Christians beliefs are ridiculous. That's why none of them care what you say about your Orthodoxy and how you claim to own the Bible. That's irrelevant to them as it is to atheists.

That's what neither of you will ever understand, that your religion divides both non-believers and other Christians. It poisons everything especially your minds, evidently.

You don't like the way I present myself, others don't like the way YOU present yourself oh well..

Hmmm... let's see, Mopac repeats over and over the same irrational nonsense that has little if any basis in reality and does not listen to anyone else regardless of how much sense they offer him.

Sounds just like you, doesn't it?

We've imported WisdomofAges

So, you're importing them now? Not enough of them running amok here?

I feel like I'm walking down a corridor in an asylum when I read posts here.

And, the rooms are filling up.

Tried hard? that depends on how ignorant you may be of the subject.

Two different natures Keith, the physical and the conscious spiritual.

The latter is just a fantasy in your head, there is no evidence whatsoever to support it no matter how many times you repeat it,

it's important to remain open and at least neutral about what science finds or studies. 

You can reject those propositions as some atheist would, but then you need to have good solid reasoning for doing so.

Yes, we have facts, evidence and reality to provide good, solid reasoning that your claims about consciousness are absurd in the extreme.

If only I had a list of arguments to support it...

You started out with a list of very poorly thought out assertions and have yet to actually form an argument to support your claims.

The Creator can be argued with or without religion. 

I don't mean religions are useless, they are necessary though. It's a sort of tool to cope with human problems.

No, religions merely mask problems, they don't actually deal with or solve them. It's basically exchanging one vice for another.

Witchypoo bleats - About the only admirable thing about you people

Witchypoo - Why you are no better than the other douches. 

And, you think you are better than us, right?

Flat earthers seem to think there are no solid arguments for a spherical earth.

Flat Earthers haven't a clue of how the world around them works, they deny common knowledge and facts, never consider hard evidence and haven't the capacity to think rationally or logically, often showing signs of mental disorders.

Why would you want to equate yourself with Flat Earthers?

If you have a problem with any of the arguments I'm all ears.

It was my selected definition 

Without God, evolution is just a mindless process that has no aims or goals. You would need (1) intent (to reach the goal) and (2) knowledge (of the goal itself). Any prescribed function for our internal organs is predicated on goals.

More deceit, yet another scientific theory being used as an example by someone completely illiterate of the subject matter, and instead creates false premises and erroneous conclusions.

Evolution does not have a goal and is simply a process of nature like any other process of nature, therefore it does not require a mind in order to work.

Your gish here is failing to gallop.

It's down to personal taste, i suppose.

Personally, when it comes to explanations of how nature works, I never let my personal taste get in the way.

If our internal organs have a purpose, God exists.

Our internal organs have a purpose.

Therefore, God exists. 

The arguments just keep going downhill.

And still, you managed to use way too many words to get your entire argument across, which is this...

Internal organs, God exists.

The universe began to exist.

The physical universe expanded from a zero-dimensional point at which all laws in the universe were broken down. The best explanation for this singularity is something non-physical that also possesses causal power. The only plausible candidate for this is consciousness.

The universe beThe beginning of the universe is explained by (1) chance, (2) physical law, or (3) free will.gan to exist.

The beginning of the universe is explained by (1) chance, (2) physical law, or (3) free will.

Therefore, the Big Bang was caused by (3) free will, meaning that the event was not inevitable and therefore doesn't succumb to the quantification problem. The only plausible candidate for something possessing free will is consciousness.

God is defined as a fundamental consciousness.

Did God offer that definition or was it man made?

Ultimately my view, as of now at least, is:

fine tuned =/= deliberately designed

Racism, anti-semitism and islamophobia are different faces of 'xenophobia'.

Einstein did no such thing. He was absolutely perplexed that at the quantum level all of Newton's theories did not seem to apply.

Nope. https://ebible.org/kjv/Job.htm

See the first two chapters. No deceit involved whatsoever. 

Not sure why he would paint himself in a bad light though. 

Physics doesn't contradict god, Einstein was completely a believer in a creator-deity.

You've brought up Einstein a couple of times in some vain attempt to compare yourself, yet one of Einsteins greatest achievements, that of helping us understand how gravity works is something you deny even exists as a phenomenon.

And you call yourself a genius.

you would need to be a God or some demigod with inside information on reality to answer

Thank you, RM, for confirming the following statement to be false.

I don't think responding to someone's arguments is harassment. Following them around just saying things like "more garbage from the crazy fucking moron" would be, though.

While I don't see a whole lot of that going on, I do think however you've identified the problem, that there is a crazy person running amok on the forums posting crazy garbage and nothing is being done about it, hence those are the responses they're getting.

Get rid of the crazy person, problem solved.

There is no pressure involved with gravity. Pressure does affect density though.

Then, what causes the pressure?

they could conceivably still harass you by following you around and addressing you in the threads you're in

No, that's not harassment, that's one of main functions of a public forum, to have the ability and capacity to argue another view, which you are now deeming as harassment. If person A makes a post and Person B argues the post, then Person A tells Person B to stop responding to those posts for whatever reason, yet Person A is free to go on posting, you're saying Person B is forced to give up their ability and capacity to argue a view just because some one else says so?

Every thread and every word posted here is owned by the forum, not the individual user, so whatever is posted is equally shared by all to respond in kind. No individual has the right to tell others what they can and cannot post to any given thread.

It's still not clear what 'religion of peace' means.

I will probably collect some river water too. For later spell work. 

Do you have a spell for flying monkeys?