Goldtop

There is a very obvious reason why that comment wouldn't be made at me.

Yes, few if any here would ever say such a thing, to anyone. It's why your incessant complaining of being victimized can't be taken seriously.

one thing is sure - the church had grown to such an extent - in such a short time even prior to Constantine - that if it was not the work of a divine hand which grew it, then what other possible - and indeed plausible explanation could there be other than the fact that Jesus died and rose from the grave. 

They are damaged by you. You're the type of dad to literally drive your kids to the point of suicide I don't doubt it for a second. You'll justify it all if they don't kill themselves successfully in their adulthood saying you 'shaped them' and likely alienate your wife along the way and die a bitter old fuck who couldn't make anyone happy but himself and other sadists like him at the sake of their victims.

Why the fuck would i let myself be a punching bag and not kick you in the fucking balls back?

REF literally endorses bullying

What's worse is how you constantly complain about being bullied and then set out to bully others. Gigantic hypocrite.

If I let people like you drag me down

You are the only person dragging yourself down.

--> @ResurgetExFavilla

^^^^^^ DO NOT ALLOW THIS GUY TO BECOME MOD OF ANYTHING. FOR GOOD OF ALL ON THE SITE.

I am not the type to complain incessantly.

Yet, you complain all the time. You're complaining right now, in fact.

yes I was whinier when younger

I am not concerned with proving myself

You are either too busy, too lazy or too incompetent to fix this. Either way, I can help.

You don't know what I can do because you haven't given me the chance, I would lead this site to the best ages of the Internet and DDO-crew history.

I know how to get rid of the scum

There seem to be many things wrong with this biblical story of Moses; such as , Why didn't anyone even query where on earth did this Princess obtain a child? No one questioned its parentage?

Didn't anyone even notice the Princess was pregnant to begin with?

Enki and his servant Isimud come up with a pr-arranged  cover story for if or when these (now pregnant) girls produce offspring, which they did. Isimud the servant tells Enki’s Wife Ninki and his brother Enlil;   He“found them”!

“among the bulrushes, in reed baskets have I them found

There is nothing fair about that

Your worldview has no ultimate accountability for wrongful action

That is not equal justice, for the suffering he caused.

No justice in your worldview. Thus, there is no accountability.

What does it matter in a pointless, uncaring, indifferent, amoral universe? Not one iota.

If I can survive by exploiting others, such as Kim Jong-un or Hitler, then I get what I want. Why SHOULD I care about you unless you serve my purpose?

It is just made up to serve whatever someone likes to do.

In some countries, they kill the unborn because they find it an inconvenience.

In others the condemn such acts because they value all human beings. What do you PREFER?

I never said people coming back from the dead was irrelevant. These things have not despite your suggestion been easy to explain.

I said the totality is important - because one of these things by themselves is something people attack...

The fact is Jesus' tomb was empty. And his body was never found...

Fact is the disciples were not educated persons so hardly likely to be able to conjure up a conspiracy...

Even the usage of females as the first witnesses is significant evidence that Jesus' resurrection is not a conspiracy...

Fact is over 500 people saw Jesus alive after his death.

Many of these people were prepared to die for what they believed they saw..

What motivation is there in this? At the time the church did not have money - or power or respect in the community. The fact is - the church grew exponentially ...

They don't believe Jesus rose from the dead - but they acknowledge something significant happened - which they have not been able to explain - which clearly puts your suggestion that things are easily explained as implausible.

Yes, people coming back from the dead is crazy. why? Because from our point of view it is impossible. This is why the story is amazing - and why it has plausibility.

The facts - from an objective point of view - clearly show Jesus rose from the dead.

The stumbling block most people have is - they don't believe in God. Hence, take God out of the picture and it must be a lie or a myth.

There can be no other explanation

This is one place where critics of the resurrection fall down. They pick on one thing - selectively but don't address the totality.

The one thing such as the fact that people don't come back from the dead? And, this one thing is irrelevant to you?

The empty tomb. The eyewitnesses. The exponential growth of the church.

Also, consider those sins of Hitler. Do you think he paid for his wrongful actions, or is there no justice there for his wrongdoing? If there is no justice there then your system of justice sucks. 

It's difficult to tell what it is you're trying to say here. Do you actually believe Jesus should pay for the sins of Hitler and consider that justice? That makes zero sense. Hitler committed suicide rather than be captured, so he paid with his life. And although that's not nearly enough for the crimes he committed against humanity, there's not much more one can do. In that respect, there was no real justice for Hitlers crimes. Deal with it.

Haven't you ever had someone you disagreed with on many things, but you liked being exposed to the dissent and opposition?

That's fine, but not if the dissent and opposition is made up primarily of rejection of facts, name calling, insults and habitual lying.

Other than atheists hate theists. 

It has always been throughout history the other way round, theists hate atheists. You're welcome.

Someone had mercy on me and helped me. They paid for something that I could not pay for. I did not have the means. Is mercy good? 

Sin destroys lives. Sin is something we witness every day throughout the world by people who ignore God's righteous decrees of doing unto others as you would have them do to you.

It is not my problem but yours, who object. You are creating a problem, not me. I am presenting a scenario, a poser. 

If you admit to presenting a scenario, then you're admitting to instigating and creating the problem in the first place, which has been pointed out to you as the result of your beliefs and nothing to do with anyone else. If someone decides to punch you in the mouth and you deflect the punch, are you the one causing the problem?

Would you rather pay for them by your life and actions?

Supposing for Stephen's sake (since I have no doubt) that God exists and He is the biblical God, why would Stephen's "good deeds" outweigh his bad deeds or why would he not be guilty of punishment for his wrongs? Why would he get away without being judged for all the wrongful actions he has done in his life?

God judges the motive of the heart - why it is done

The problem is not with Stephen, it's with you, printed there in bold above.The answer to your question is the latter bold.

As I said, you have much to learn if you think that was irrational.

could be quite interesting, his presence as a strong theist and conservative personality

You have very much to learn if you think RM is one to lash out irrationally

fucking GOLDTOP

I do, however, think he's being intentionally preyed on by 3 specific members and that all 3 should be banned.

But you sure are laissez-faire on the ones intentionally provoking

If there's zero intellect behind the world we see I'd expect it to be blank, unimaginitive, dull, distorted, obscure and unintelligible, aimless, absurd, haphazard, unprincipled, plain, and disjointed. 

Most of that is true, that is what is going on in the universe around you.

I am no longer interacting with goldtop on this thread.

The official tests by renowned scientists all must (by design) support round earth theory.

What's extremely convenient and irritating is that it is the fish eye lens that has become the go Daddy cam lens which people use to raise to the sky and back. This makes curvature appear regardless

There are plenty of videos and pics without the fish eye lens that shows curvature.

things move by magnetic pull and electromagnetic waves rather than "gravity"

when not done by NASA

it shows a disc extremely bright as what the sun is and shows it very close to the sky. The spinning is so fast that it's hard to tell and even then blur and sogortion (due to fish eye lens) can be blamed.

Is it chldishs because you say it is? It is nonsense because it makes no sense to you?

Do you realise that you're speaking to me in a condeaceinding way and that you've essentially insulted me without direct rude words about three times so far in your last two replies?

Except I'm blatantly not

I'll teach them

The effect that happens when it's less blaring sunlight is that the squashing occurs

These infractions have come after numerous warnings for conduct of yours, including engaging in personal attacks and making threats.

Why are you airing your dirty laundry in public?

That one statement speaks volumes. you are one of the first to whine and complain about others bullying, yet you are one of the worst bullies here. Stop being such a hypocrite, go out and buy yourself a spine and stop whining.

I have nothing to say to you except repent and turn away from your wickedness.

And don't bother asking me what any of that means, because if you honestly cared to know, you would know by now. We have talked at great length for many months now. 

Now, has it every been shown to a large group of people under scientific scrutiny, no. But i don't think that's how it should work to begin with. Yes, these forces have an effect we can "all" see, well at least all scientists studying it. Spirituality doesn't, it's more individual accounts very rarely group accounts.

I know you guys like to stick to the "never been shown" but that just isn't true to me. . I don't think there is a good enough argument for me to not suspect some type of spirituality exists. 

Screw you.

The folks at the religion forum were extremely rude to me.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

Typical of Christians, always claiming to be the victims, right after they toss out rude insults to others.

Show us where you were treated extremely rudely so we can see both sides of your claim?

I certainly believe The Ultimate Reality exists with strong conviction, and I would be so bold as to say that so would anyone with understanding.

I think the above may explain some of our more challenged posters. What seems like poor reading comprehension, or unending vitriol, might just be low IQ and psychosis from too much pot smoking.

One thing agnostics are very attracted to are logical spiritual platforms that really could be true. It doesn't seem like to me he's considered such platforms.

That firmly establishes that you don't have a good sense of discernment, so your assessments can be discounted as worthless.

One thing agnostics are very attracted to are logical spiritual platforms that really could be true. It doesn't seem like to me he's considered such platforms.

Most likely, the opposite is true, that he has considered them and that it is actually YOU who has not given them any thought or consideration beyond your cognitive bias.

So a person that thought the world is round when everyone was saying flat was a fool? A person that believed we could fly was a fool? At every point in human history... people that suspected things "could be" true are the ones that have progressed humanity.

That may be true, but your examples are real things that can be tested and measured, and they don't violate any laws of nature.

Spirituality has never been shown to exist, cannot be tested or measured and most certainly violates a number of physical laws, so there's no reason whatsoever to pursue such foolish notions.

I'll wait for bsh1 to investigate your snitchi....ahem....your complaints.

Sorry Ethan, but I never sent any of this to Bsh, it's only here in your thread where it belongs, that others may read the OP and then see for themselves the hard evidence you provided in your posts showing who the real bully is here.