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@PGA2.0
My evidence is based on the veracity of the biblical God.
The Bible isn't evidence. It's a book written by men, not God.
If you think they exist then explain how something that is immaterial, intangible, can exist in a purely physical universe.
As thoughts in our minds, just like your God, a thought in your mind, nothing more.
Who made the laws of thermodynamics, gravity, motion, relativity. Who enforces them?
Is that a joke? You do realize that physics laws are not the same a judicial laws?
How can you say that your views are BETTER than mine if everything is relative?
I never said they were better but I think that's what you're saying about your morality.
If the biblical revelation is God communicating with us
Is God so weak he can't speak up for himself and simply communicate with us?
I show what happens when there is no universal best - anything goes.
Sorry, but your God is far from "universal best" and we have found that societies that are rich with religion have higher crime rates, So much for your universal best moral system. It doesn't work.
The final authority!
Yes of course, I am the final authority when it comes to my well being. Got a problem with that?
Spoken from someone who doesn't know God
I've read the Bible, if you've read it too, then we have exactly the same knowledge of God.
So, if the evidence is most reasonable to believe, I also find the evidence of my predicament and God's solution, plus life after death most reasonable to believe.
That is ridiculous, you believe one thing because you like believing in another thing no matter how outrageous it is. Hilarious.
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Do you know that gravity is a lie?
Prove it. You'll need to show General Relativity is false or show it's accurate effects by other means? Those would include gravitational lensing, curvature of space and the shape of every large object in the universe. Go!
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@Stronn
Good point, how about "premeditated"? That may not apply to self defense as there was no plan of doing harm to someone compared to a reactionary harm..
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@secularmerlin
Is that what you've found or is that what you're asserting?
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@Mopac
If there is only one, it is the best.
So, you're confirming you don't know the meaning of the word, "Best". Gotcha.
I feel very smug pointing this out.
I'm actually baffled that I have to point out your elementary flaws.
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@Mopac
I do not claim to have an exhaustive knowledge of Hawking's opinion of God.
You have an extremely tiny amount of knowledge for most things, which you seem to prefer, yet are only too happy to opine on the things you don't know.
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@secularmerlin
I think you spend waaaay toooo much time in the minutia of definitions when someone else is talking but you yourself will be as vague as possible. Not interested.
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@Mopac
Sounds like an admission that God exists to me.
Or, a simple concept that shows you're wrong, that you didn't think it through, that you falsely use words you don't appear to understand, that you play games with those words in some vain attempt at preaching.
There is only one reality. There is none to compare it to. It is the best reality because there is only one.
So, you're saying you don't know the meaning of the word, "Best"?
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@Mopac
You mean you don't know his position but are eager to comment on it?
Yes, that's how it usually goes with the dishonest theist.
Make silly claim based on ignorance and then when called out on it, demand others educate you.
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@secularmerlin
I read that there may be other behaviors that explain it that have to do with their antennae.
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@Stronn
I suppose it would depend on whether one was just defending themselves or were trying to intentionally do harm to the other person?
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@Mopac
the best or most extreme of its kind
Since there it only one reality, we have nothing to compare to hence we have no idea if this reality is the best or most extreme of it's kind. The dictionary keeps failing you, maybe you should give it up?
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@secularmerlin
Then, don't use Google.
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@secularmerlin
Along with 4 other non-human animals.
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@PGA2.0
When you provide evidence for an afterlife, then I'll say you have evidence.You keep skirting the evidence and saying there is none.
Can you see the laws of logic?
Logic would state that if something is claimed to exist yet it can't be detected in any way, then no one can know it's there and are simply making an assertion.
Laws rely on lawgivers to enforce the laws.
The Judicial system, ever hear of it? Police. Courts. Judges. Any of that ring a bell?
So, torturing an innocent child for fun and getting away with it is just???
Is that something that happens in your neighborhood all the time? A problem that just doesn't go away? Have you called the police?
God does not take sin lightly.
You wouldn't know that because God has never said that.
No, I do not promote cannibalism or slavery.
Yet, you do promote animal and human sacrifice as life lessons. Is that how you teach things?
You are banking on your limited knowledge being true.
You are banking on ancient myths and superstitions being true. You lose.
Then do your own thing.
As always.
This is not true. You have not responded to the evidence I presented as a starter.
That was already dealt with, you just can't accept it.
I know Him enough to believe and trust Him.
That is an obvious lie. You know words in a book of myths and superstitions, like anyone else who has read the Bible. That is the full extent of your knowledge of an alleged God. All are words from other men.
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@secularmerlin
Are you serious? Do you not know what intentional means? What is your problem?
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@Mopac
It's quite alright, lots of believers don't understand anything Hawking says, that's why he's so often misrepresented, like you just did there.
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@secularmerlin
No, I am not offering circular definitions, that is incorrect.
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@Plisken
Yes, I can see that.I found the handles suitable for reasons of my own
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@secularmerlin
There's probably psychological harm, as well, but that's far too subjective at this point.Do you recognize only physical injury as potential harm?
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@secularmerlin
So, are you asking if I've read and understood the definition of the word, "Intentional"? Of course. Have you?
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So not yet sure what "plane waves" is exactly
They are simply wave fronts that propagate parallel in the direction of travel, infinitely. Electromagnetic waves are plane waves.
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@Plisken
So, you refer to yourself in the third person?
Plisken is not interested in any terms Goldtop may be proposing at this time.
Exactly, just like you're not interested in answering questions. Please continue your monologue with Plisken, whoever he may be. Lol.
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@Mopac
I have nothing more to say to you but this...Repent and turn away from your wickedness.
This is the extent of Mopac's so called "debating" skills.
Reminds me of the soap box preachers in Hyde Park.
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@Mopac
You know the truth isn't in these God deniers because they can't even admit they are ever wrong.
You're the one making the vacuous claims, not us. We have nothing to be wrong about.
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@Mopac
No such thing as an Ultimate Reality has been shown to exist, so that would make God "no such thing". Seems about right.Whatever The Ultimate Reality is, that is God.
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@secularmerlin
One is either intentional or not.
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@secularmerlin
Harm - physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted.
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@secularmerlin
How about defining evil as "intentionally harming others" and good as "not intentionally harming others"? Does that cover it?
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@TwoMan
Unlike yourself, I understand they have different meanings.And those are five different words.
We have differing ontological opinions of the nature of consciousness.
You mean, you have your own personal opinion based on false premises.
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@Plisken
would you please answer the other question before I forget about it?
I don't think anyone owes you answers when you run away after questions are posed to you, right?
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@janesix
Well, he was certainly smart enough to understand that rocks don't have purpose.
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@janesix
Black holes are predicted by General Relativity, many candidates for black holes have already been observed, the largest being at the center of most galaxies.This from the guy who believes in "black holes".
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@janesix
Because he was smarter than all of us put together.
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@Plisken
There you are again, hit and running? You left last time with a myriad of questions unanswered, you just disappeared, conveniently. Now that all those questions are buried in threads past, you feel it's okay to emerge again without taking any responsibility for your words? Is that how cowards operate?
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It would appear that at best, you're able to follow orders but you still don't know why you shouldn't kill, commit adultery or steal. In fact, you even admit you don't know whether or not to sleep with someone you're not married to.Some of the commands he gives us are straight forward - don't kill. Don't commit adultery. Don't steal. Not too difficult really. I don't need to pray to God and ask him whether it is alright to sleep with someone I am not married too. I already know the answer. Remember, from the bible's perspective God decides what is right and wrong.
That's probably why crime and violence are highest in religiously rich societies, the people there have no concept of reasoning or rationalizing murder, adultery and theft. They'll do it if they can justify it somewhere in the Bible.
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@Mopac
You have never heard that God is The Ultimate Reality.
Only by you. I've never seen anyone else make that claim despite the fact you believe it's a universal concept.
You must also therefore believe that every thought bubble that enters your mind is on everyone else's mind too.
*hint*
They're not.
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@Mopac
Then, it's unanimous.I have no problem admitting I am wrong. I know I am wrong.
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@TwoMan
What you are calling "consciousness" I would call "intelligence".
Those are two different words.
I am reasonably sure that a dog has consciousness as I tend to think that all life has some degree of consciousness.
Dogs fail the mirror test.
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@Mopac
My God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
Can you admit you are wrong?
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@PGA2.0
I can reason otherwise.
You can assert otherwise because you have no evidence.
You base it on what you can see, but there are many things that you can't see that are real too.
If they can't be seen, then no one, including you, can know they are there. Another assertion.
I am not dumb enough to believe I have the power to change your mind when.
You don't provide anything compelling to change one's mind, assertions without evidence don't work.
If wrongs/sins are irrelevant, then there is no justice. How consistently can you live believing that?
There are these things we have called "Laws", have you heard of them? They have nothing to do with sins.
It is a life lesson.
Life lessons do not involve barbaric, ignorant rituals of sacrificing animals or people. Do you also promote cannibalism and slavery, too?
Then you will answer for your own downfalls eternally with others who feel the same way.
No, I won't. You have no evidence of such a thing, it's merely another one of your irrational beliefs that's meant to scare small children.
You can choose, but you will have no excuse that you did not hear the message.
Sorry, but I've heard no message. When your God decides to speak, then I'll listen.
I'm not looking at a myth.
Of course you are, you're looking at magical things that have never been shown to exist in any way, that contradict what we already know.
Are you real? I thought I was conversing with a make-believe person, and I'm winning!
Unfortunately, your level of argument has just dropped to childish.You really must be getting desperate.
You SUPPOSE God is not for real based on YOUR ignorance
So far, I have been basing my responses on your ignorance and assertions, you've not provided a shred of evidence for anything you say.
Says the one who doesn't know God.
You don't know God either and you be lying if you said you did. All you have entirely at your disposal is the Bible, which was written by men. Essentially, you have a book of fables that rules your worldview and nothing more.
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@Mopac
God is universally recognized as being The Ultimate Reality,
With Dictionary in hand, he raises it up and conquers the entire universe in one fell swoop.
Look on his works, ye mighty and despair.
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@Mopac
I am an unashamed Christian.
Below is an excerpt from an Unashamed Christian, scary stuff.
Let us make it our aim that we will be unashamed of everything that the Bible describes as the will of God as it was or is to be done when God appointed for it to be done. For example, unashamed of God’s command in the book of Joshua that all the Canaanites be killed. Unashamed of his permission of polygamy and divorce and slavery in the Old Testament. Unashamed of his command that Isaiah walk around naked. Unashamed of the inspired writers’ holy hatred of wicked people — in the Psalms, for example. Unashamed of the creation of the world six thousand years ago, if that’s what the text teaches. Unashamed of the command that spiritually qualified men, rather than women, be the elders of churches and the heads of two-parent families. Unashamed that there is only one way of salvation — through knowing and believing the gospel of Christ. Unashamed of the teaching that those who practice homosexuality or greed or drunkenness or reviling or swindling, and are unrepentant, will suffer eternally in hell.
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@Mopac
The Ultimate Reality is whatever The Ultimate Reality is.I am not playing word games.
Lol. That's exactly what you're doing, playing word games.
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@janesix
"Produce" may not be a very good descriptor considering consciousness is a state of a functioning brain, its not really making something.
Consciousness - the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.
- the awareness or perception of something by a person.
- the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world."consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain"
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@Mopac
Then why does God not appear in the definition of truth and truth does not appear in the definition of God?Of course God is The Truth itself.
The Dictionary has failed you on this one. God is not the truth and the truth is not God.
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Ultimate nonsense. You've said nothing here.The Ultimate Reality is God.The Ultimate Reality is whatever The Ultimate Reality is.
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@janesix
That's a difficult one overall, but I would suspect anything to do with harming others is a good start.
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