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@janesix
I think morality is subjective overall, but it's objective when specific to an event or action that has been committed.
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Truly God is real, communicates with us and is directly involved.
Where is your evidence for that outrageous claim?
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@Mopac
Participate = PreachI am here to participate.
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Is God our moral authority?
A moral authority should actually exist, first.
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@PGA2.0
Are the laws of logic physical and do they exist?
They exist as concepts in the mind, just like your God.
And you nor anyone else can demonstrate that you are just a physical being, nor that death is the end of you.
Wrong, both of those can be demonstrated. Physical things can be demonstrated, death can be demonstrated. No oe can demonstrate that death isn't the end.
I can give good reasons that Christianity is relevant for today.
Feel free.
[1] God speaks via His word, which has been written down for our benefit.
Sorry, the Bible was written by men, there is no evidence for the word of God. Anyone can lie and say God spoke or inspired them.
[2] God is not a physical Being. He used human beings to communicate about Himself to other human beings. He gave witness to Himself during their migration from Egypt to the Promised Land, through various prophets and teachers, then through His Son, who became a human being and also bears witness.
First you say God is not a physical Being then go on to say how he communicates and becomes a physical being. Contradict much?
There are serious consequences for those who die without repenting, for they continually have made God out to be a liar during their life's.
God can't be a liar if he never said anything, the liars are the men who follow God.
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@Mopac
It truly is amazing how many words you use but never say anything.Whatever The Truth actually is, that is The Truth.Knowledge of The Truth is not the same thing as The Truth.
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@Mopac
By the grace of God my mission here is to educate.
Your biggest failure yet.
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@PGA2.0
You think that all you are is physical
Nothing has ever been shown to exist beyond the physical.
Your soul and spirit live on after your mortal body dies.
You nor anyone can demonstrate that, that belief is just an ancient superstition.
. If you chose not to believe it then it is your business between you and God.
And you have to be continually reminded that God isn't here talking about this, you are, they are your words, God did not speak or write them. that is all you. So, have a backbone and take responsibility for your words. I know that's very difficult for a Christian to do.
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Pretty much the entire planet laughs at flat earthers. Why shouldn't we laugh? Flat earthers make some of the most hilarious claims. Its as if they scooped out their brains with an ice cream spoon and replaced them with cotton.You think you're the only human being to troll and laugh at a flat earther
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But you won't prove a single one.They all are provable, every single one.
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15. Density, buoyancy, & Electromagnetism are better explanations for gravity.16. Gravity is strong enough to hold the oceans to the #earth yet birds, planes, & clouds fly with ease.18. No observable proof of evolution.
Here are just a few of the so-called proofs of a flat earth from the video. We can easily see at best a grade six attempt at trying to understand what's taught in high school. If you get the chance, pass this children's video on how birds fly along to that grade sixer. Hopefully he might learn something.
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A list of pointless assertions with no evidence. Typical.Idk if this counts a a bibliography but here's the supposed thing you're asking for relative to the video:
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So, first you make assertions and are asked to present evidence, but instead you make even more assertions and give us some lame excuses about blackmail. And now you're asking me if I want to see evidence? Yank chains much?
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And after that pointless video, another will appear, and then another, and so on resulting in a heaping pile of inane gish gallop.I cannot, you must watch it to prove itself worthy.
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And of course you have absolutely zero evidence for any of that baloney.It's based on both science and conspiracy theories but since they (Illuminati) own the peer reviewing committee in any high ranking science-based corporation
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I'm blocking you goldtop
Thank you, I appreciate that. Do carry on making up baloney, it's pretty hilarious.
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You mean you wish to go about making outrageous assertions that border on insanity and have others take you seriously?Are you willing to consider that it's not a lie?
Sure, pal.
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@RationalMadman
Yes, the proof that you don't have because you fabricated the whole story. Any more lies?You mean proof of the beings
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@RationalMadman
Then, we are left with pointless, irrational assertions made by you, most like fabricated by you as well. Any more lies?Do people here need to know who I am? I do not retract the statement?
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@RationalMadman
Of course you won't, you fabricated the whole thing. Any more lies?I won't go into proving that
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@RationalMadman
No, I don't want to see another pointless video. Just show us your proof of those beings or admit you were making it up.would you like another video about flat earth theory?
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@RationalMadman
That makes no sense, no one here even knows who you are. You've already stated there are beings, so provide the evidence or retract the claim
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@RationalMadman
Actually, you were not clear nor did you provide any evidence of these beings. Do you have anything at all other than assertion?
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@RationalMadman
No, the video was simply pointless, like a broken pencil, without point, no point available, sans point. Right.The video is only pointless if you go into it with the mentality of proving round-earth theory right.
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@RationalMadman
Of course you've seen these beings and have plenty of pictures and videos to show us Antarctica being controlled by them?Once you realise the Earth is flat and that some very mysterious beings control the centre and edge (edge being Antarctica)
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@RationalMadman
If you zoom in on water and see a boat and it's very tiny looking, zoom out and it totally disappears.
The first part over the water looking at the buoy is pointless. Instead, have the camera zoom in on a large ship sailing away to see it slowly disappear over the horizon. The next ones are deceiving because the cameras are at high altitudes allowing to see further than if they were at sea level. No idea what the high altitude camera with wide angle lens panning around is trying to show. Pointless video.
Photoshop fail?
What evidence do you have the composite was Photoshop -ed? Where is your proof?
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@Mopac
Just because you believe you make sense, doesn't mean you make sense.
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@janesix
But, I would nave no idea it was God that I was experiencing. What references do I have? None. What evidence do I have of God? None. How would I know the voices in my head were that of God or maybe my mind was going insane? These and many more issues, problems and contradictions need to be addressed before anyone's claims of having been communicated by God can be considered valid or even sane.
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@PGA2.0
Wrong, it's what is observed every single day when people die. Unless, you can show otherwise, then your worldview is another fabrication.Per you worldview bias.
What you are saying is that you have never wronged anyone. Yeah, sure.
No, I'm saying sins are irrelevant, they have no authority in reality, I no more acknowledge sins than I do Leprechauns riding Unicorns. Why should I?
In the OC, a wrongful action was atoned for by an animal sacrifice to cover the penalty of sin. In the NC a human being - Jesus Christ is our penalty offering under this covenant.
Animal and human sacrifice, what an incredibly barbaric and disgusting religion.
It is either Jesus' sacrifice which meets all the righteous requirements of God, or you stand before Him on your own merit.
Of course, I stand on my own merit, I'm not a coward who can't take responsibility for his own actions. Yet, another barbaric ritual.
Hitler used Mein Kampf to manipulate his people.
Christians use the Bible to manipulate people such that it causes good people to do bad things, such as create fabrications.
If you want to know what someone believes look at what/who influences them.
Okay, Scriptures influences you, that tells me a whole lot.
You look to the NATURAL world for all your answers.
You look at ancient myths and superstitions for your answers. At least Nature can be shown to be real, unlike your God.
I don't see you, yet I am communicating with you mindfully. Is that a falsehood? I could explain something to you without ever seeing you
Is that a joke? We're both real people. Duh.
Ah yes, the ignorant trump card again, the one you guys play to smear others.
Stop offering ignorance, then.
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@janesix
That's what we're looking for, compelling evidence.
If I had never seen a duck before and asked you to show me compelling evidence, wouldn't you show me a duck? That's compelling.
But, if all you said is that you believe you heard one communicate with you, that wouldn't be compelling.
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@Mopac
First of all, I have no respect for theology let alone theologians. It doesn't matter what you quote from, it's not compelling evidence. Neither are Scriptures or the Dictionary, they are merely references.These are words from some of the most respected theologians of the last couple thousand years, and if Inwere to take the time to, I could not only present a very thorough list of similar quotations, but I could also use scripture to demonstrate that The Truth is God.
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@janesix
Sure, that's your evidence for God, it's just not compelling evidence.I don't think that my testimony is evidence
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@RationalMadman
God IS the physically supreme being of reality
Kind of like a Sasquatch, that no such thing has ever been shown to exist.
Your evidence is dismissed.
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@Mopac
First piece of evidence is understanding what God means.The Ultimate RealityThe Supreme BeingThe Truth
We have previously established that God and Truth are not defined as synonyms in the Dictionary.
Your evidence is dismissed.
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@SkepticalOne
"God" needs to be defined before we can determined which scenario above is applicable.
Couldn't agree with you more, and we probably both suspect a valid definition may never present itself unless we have some hard evidence, and that's kind of what we're looking for whether it's evidence for Zeus or YHWY or any other. For example, Mopac said...
If you can't accept this definition, you get nothing else. The Ultimate Reality
His version of God appears to originate from a dictionary whereas Jane said...
He communicated with me
She has a very different audible view yet both could be referring to the same God, but neither are really presenting any hard evidence. It really doesn't matter which God is in question, the important thing is to weigh the evidence these folks are presenting as best they can for any God.
As yet, I see no compelling evidence.
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@janesix
An open mind yes, but not so open that my brains have fallen out.
I have no clue what this thread is about. Do you?
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@3RU7AL
You've never shown that to be valid.A human cannot generate an objective view
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Based on the definition of "Evidence", what compelling evidence can you offer for the likelihood of God's existence?
Contrary to that, what compelling evidence can you offer for the likelihood of God's non-existence?
Evidence is anything that you see, experience, read, or are told that causes you to believe that something is true or has really happened.
Evidence is the information which is used in a court of law to try to prove something. Evidence is obtained from documents, objects, or witnesses.
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@PGA2.0
Then, the soul does not keep us alive? It has nothing to do with life?In this physical existence, yes, you need a brain. Remove the brain and you are dead physically.
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Nothing happens.I'm talking about what happens after you DIE.
The difference between Hitler and you is the level of your sin
I have no sins.
If Jesus paid the price for our sin
According to the story, Jesus was captured by the Romans and crucified, which has nothing to do with paying for sins. He was a criminal of the state and was convicted.
even the worst of people can be saved by a true trust and faith in Jesus and His merit
Hence, no accountability and no justice in your worldview.
From what I see is that the most ruthless people have seared their minds towards God.
No, you don't see that at all, you can't read peoples minds. Hitler wrote in his book, Mein Kampf, that everything he did to the Jews was for Jesus.
I see every reason to believe, even though I have never seen Him.
There's a word for that, it's called "Delusion". You have never provided a single valid reason to believe in God. None whatsoever. Most of what you say is either not true or a fabrication, hence you're entire belief system is built on falsehoods.
Instead of conjuring up God you conjure up Nature
You keep proving my point, that is another falsehood. I don't conjure up Nature, it is right in front of all of us every day of our lives, you see and are forced to deal with it like everyone else, unlike any God. So, you reject reality in favor of fantasy. That's delusion.
God has given us everything we need to reconcile to Him
You can't reconcile with something you claim to have never seen. Another falsehood.
He shows them what hell life can be when humans try to live outside of an understanding of God.
More falsehoods. Something you've never seen cannot show you something.
Some of the worst social injustice and outright slaughter has come during the 20th-century - the bloodiest to date, in which a good chunk of humanity rejected God for human socialism and left-wing ideology.
You're either extremely ignorant or are just outright lying now.
You keep showing me your entire belief system is a bed of lies.
That is what you have to look forward to in the USA if the Democrats gain power in the mid-terms, IMO. I think it will lead to the death of your Republic.
The White House has an insane lunatic as a leader, which is the person the religious right elected because they are all insane lunatics who will help bring the world to destruction. This is what we are looking forward to now.
You did what those who are closed to God do so well, you obstruct and misrepresent.
Says the guy who does nothing but offer falsehoods and deceit.
the prophecies were written after the event in question
Yes, they were, but you still haven't figured that out yet. The reason for that is becoming obvious, your belief system is built on lies, falsehoods and deceit, which is all you seem to be peddling.
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@eash
Ah, so you're a self-declared #1 in the world because you went way over their heads. Gotcha.i declared to them
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@eash
for i am #1 in the world
Really? Do you have a link to the international contest in which you were declared #1 in the world? How long do you get to keep the title before a contender takes it away from you?
Btw, what is it exactly that makes you #1 in the world?
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@PGA2.0
Lol. I seriously doubt you were ever an atheist especially when considering that fact you don't even know what an atheist is or how they think. Your posts here are a testament to that fact.I used to be one.
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@PGA2.0
I'm saying you have no hope for a future
That isn't even remotely true, my future is fine, thank you very much.
There is no justice in such a worldview.
You're talking about your world view where someone like Hitler could have just accepted Jesus with his dying words and *poof* all is forgiven. I agree there is no justice in your worldview.
Because you do not believe in God you do not believe in the supernatural
I have no reason to believe in that which has never been shown to exist. And most likely, we could probably find a great deal of concepts people have conjured about the supernatural that you don't believe. That would be a wash then.
God could display His power and providence to these people
So, why can't God do that now? You said yourself there is no justice. God appears to be failing again.
Because you choose to ignore the evidence you think there is none.
I never ignore evidence, but you need to actually produce evidence, which you have failed to do thus far.
My opinion is how pathetically unbelievers avoid the discussion of prophecy
That's because prophecy has never been shown to be valid.
Instead, a discussion on prophecy becomes a display of their private beef and anger issues about God. They call Him and those who believe in Him liars, and irrational, yet they never address this issue.
Not true, the reason is simple, prophecy is baloney. You just haven't figured that out yet.
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@PGA2.0
You made assertions and insinuations, nothing more.
Now you know how atheists feel.
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Jesus' Soul became flesh in the womb
As I suspected, you have no choice but to invoke magic to justify irrational nonsense.
when speaking for or against the text in the bible. one needs to know whatthe words means and use them correctly.
It looks like you have your work cut out for you. Good luck with that.
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