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Sperm is what females need to conceive.in days past man wrote all females are born by a males seed yet needed a soul from our CREATOR to conceive
therefore Jesus' Holy Ghost/Soul Descended FROM YHVH to cause a virgin birth.
So, the Holy Ghost has a ghostly dick and balls? How does that work on humans?
It's hilarious the mental gymnastics theists attempt to entertain us with in their vain attempts at justifying magic.
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@ethang5
When you have an argument, you won't need to insult people and scream
Therefore, we can conclude you have no arguments when you just finished insulting a group of people for no reason?
The atheist will be in his dank, dark, corner, fuming and bitter, like a blind ant, shaking his fist at the sun.
That could very well explain why your posts are almost non-existent these days... well, except for the insults.
Stay honest, and everything will be fine.
It's quite alright, you need not heed your own advice.
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Yes, you are wrong. They don't deny, they explain. It is your beliefs in the supernatural that deny reality.Correct me if I am wrong, both naturalism and materialism both have the same meanings? in essence they both deny that an event or object has a supernatural significance.....
How did the universe create our solar system by itself and all that is within it?
That's just a question from ignorance and personal incredulity.
UNIVERSAL MIND-"is a concept that tries to address the underlying essence of all being and becoming in the universe.
If you had noticed from the wiki page you lifted that, it states it as a "Fringe Theory" which means it has little to do with reality and is mostly some bizarre notion created in someone's head. It's not a definition that constitutes what's real.
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@Mopac
How does one read the Bible if illiterate? Are Christians so lazy they can't even be bothered to learn to read and write? Wouldn't that then leave them in a state of perpetual ignorance?it is not necessary to even be literate to be a good Christian.
Being a good Christian is not about knowing everything
The expectation is not to know everything but at the very least, to know something of the world around them. Even the Ghost of Christmas Present warned Scrooge to avoid ignorance as that is one of mankinds major downfalls. Your posts seem to promote ignorance.
There is a difference between faith in The Truth and faith in knowledge.
Faith in anything is dangerous. Understanding is what's important. Knowledge helps us to understand, ignorance does not.
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@Plisken
You seem to have conveniently disappeared when a number of questions were posed to you a while back, what happened? Are you here to answer them or more hit and runs?
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@PGA2.0
Then, you have no authority. And you certainly have no concept of logic and reason. Belief systems never use them, they are unnecessary.My authority is God's word, yet my belief system is based on more than the Bible. It is based on history, and on reason, logic from what has been created.
I could challenge you on many fronts, one of which is making sense of morality without such a being as God. Why is your relative view on morality (such as abortion) better than my view?
My views are not based on ancient myths and superstitions, misogyny, oppression or brain washing, they aren't wallowing in ignorance and denying facts in favor of fantasy. Your views of abortion have little to do with reality.
No, you guys never engaged.
There was nothing valid to engage.
The science of origins is faith-based. I trust everyday science.
You keep piling up the evidence for your ignorance of science. Funny how you insist on showing us that time and again.
who wrote under the inspiration of God about these accounts
Theres about as much evidence of that as there is for the existence of Moses. None.
You get the idea of how the father passed onto the son the lineage until Moses put it into writing in the biblical accounts.
I get how it was all made up by ignorant men.
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@PGA2.0
The difference between my belief and yours is that you have no hope for a future, only despair as you approach that time or the end. Then you can look back at your life and know that everything was for naught. It meant nothing in the big scheme of things.
On the contrary, at the very least I can look back on all the amazing things I've seen, learned and experienced in this life and all it has to offer. You on the other hand have squandered your precious time embracing ancient myths and superstitions written by goat herders centuries ago who had no concept of reason or rationale and relied entirely on fantasy and magical thinking for answers. You've learned nothing and will soon look back on a wasted life pursuing lies and deceit.
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What does Scriptures say about Gods penis?
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If God has no dick or balls, how did he impregnate Mary?
And didn't God create man in his own image? Or, was the image of God that of a Ken doll?
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@DebateArt.com
Thanks for dealing with it so quickly. It seems to be working much better. I had only one or two minor glitches with it today, but this is but a fraction of what was occurring before.
Often you can do both, hit the quote button and paste in some text, or paste the text, highlight it and hit the quote button. Today this glitched a couple of times where one would work but the other would not, although so far at least one always worked, no having to leave the page and come back, a huge improvement. Many thanks!
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there is more testimonial evidence for spirituality than any other thing.
Testimonials (other peoples claims) are all spirituality has for evidence, nothing more. So what you say is true.
Every thing else that can be shown to have hard evidence supporting it's existence are things everyone knows about; Reality.
With dealing with spirituality we move away from physical" based evidence.
Hence, no one will ever know anything about it. There is no information, no understanding, no logic, no reasoning, nothing that constitutes knowledge which everyone can acknowledge, share and understand.
Spirituality offers nothing.
experiences with the Divine are experience with the Divine that is how this works and how religion and spirituality have been formed.
Thank you proving my point of offering no information, no understanding, no logic, no reasoning and above all, no knowledge. Perfect.
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No Creator was found. Show me any documentation that shows a Creator was found?Back that statement up with fact.
Some of his views were true and are still used today.
Math and physics, yes. His religious views were like anyone else. Is there some point you're harping on about Newton?
No, he changed the way people looked at both science and God.
He didn't, the evidence he discovered changed the world, just like a lot of other scientific discoveries. Lot's of people still believe in God, what are you complaining about?
Speaking from a limited, subjective human being who denies God and is deaf, dumb and blind to God
You're just resorting to childish tactics and using the lame excuse that I don't believe what you believe. I guess you're telling me you have no argument?
Science is not possible without natures uniformity. We could predict nothing unless we were confident it was constant. There would be no laws without constants. Why do we find constants in a mindless, unintentional happenstance universe? These are questions you have no answers to that are reasonable.
You keep demonstrating how incredibly ignorant you are about science, why do you insist on doing that?
What have you established?
We've established an enormous gap of knowledge and understanding about anything scientific in your posts, yet you continue to opine about things you simply have no concept.
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We all do, we have no choice, we are all forced to share exactly the same physical reality, anything else is fantasy.So you do take a materialist worldview of the universe?
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@janesix
I am not surprised you don't see design. That would disrupt your worldview. You need to hold on to that at all cost.
I fully intend to hold on to my honesty, integrity, rationale and reason. It's unfortunate you have thrown that all away a such a little cost.
And rather than thinking, you would prefer to believe that some obscure geometrical "square/circle" ratio is a sign of design, where in a universe ruled by the laws of nature, no such other "design" has revealed itself. That's called one gigantic leap of faith with no sense of follow from one to other.
Obscure geometric shape = Designed Planetary System
Funny stuff.
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@janesix
Sorry, I see no design whatsoever. That's a faith based assertion that does not follow from that video at all. More dishonesty on your part.
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Logic and common sense never lead to the existence of gods. That's fundamentally wrong and shows you have no concept of logic or common sense.Regardless, it IS evidence, along with philosophical strength, logic and commonsense.
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EternlVw says
Physical evidence is needed for gnomes
Physical evidence is needed for God, too.
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EtrnlVw demonstrates dishonesty...
evidence or proof provided by the existence or appearance of something.
"his blackened finger was testimony to the fact that he had played in pain"
synonyms:
testament to, proof of, evidence of, attestation to, witness to
testament to, proof of, evidence of, attestation to, witness to
Notice how you conveniently left out the example, in which we clearly see testimony is based on hard evidence, the hard evidence being the blackened finger. Sheer dishonesty on your part yet again.
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@janesix
You are not interested in honesty or truth.You are not interested in truth.
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@janesix
You are not interested in truth. Go away troll.
All you've done is confirmed your dishonesty and the only way you can respond is to insult.
You've said nothing for the value of that video which means you know it has no value. Pure dishonesty.
How very sad and disappointing, Jane.
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EtrnlVw says...
you have to evaluate the contents of any given definition and whether or not it contains something worth looking into that reflects reality.
The definition below of the term "Consciousness" reflects reality.
- the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings."she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later"
- the awareness or perception of something by a person.plural noun: consciousnesses"her acute consciousness of Mike's presence"
- the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world."consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain"
it depends on what you wish to look at as "evidence" or "proof".
Hard evidence, which is required to validate the existence of something. Testimonials are worthless without hard evidence.
Proof-evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.There is plenty of the above to establish the concept of God as existing, so I don't think gnomes is a sufficient comparison.
There is no evidence to establish fact or truth for the existence of God. You keep failing at this every time you repeat it.
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@janesix
Prove what wrong? I said there's nothing of value, nothing to learn. You said I'm blind which makes you dishonest because you have not said anything of value. This is your obsession, not mine. If all you can do is put a video and say nothing, then what is your point? This makes you look like a troll.
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@janesix
Still can't be honest with yourself. How sad is that.
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@Mopac
You said God is truth, but we all know the dictionary does not agree with you, hence the dictionary cut through all your bs.If you say nothing other than "Truth" they mock you, and I think that really cuts through all their bs.
Do you need to read those definitions again? Or, have you now admitted you were wrong?
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@PGA2.0
That simply shows your entire belief system is based only on what's written in the Bible, which is not a source of evidence, it's a source of faith. So, if you can't demonstrate anything beyond what the Bible says, then you have no argument.How would you propose I demonstrate a SPIRITUAL Being, a being without a physical body, other than showing that what the Bible states is true?
I have done this with the prophetic message in trying to establish its reasonableness and logic as opposed to claims of the contrary.
That was a major fail on your part.
Try disputing what I laid down as factual in the prophecy thread.
That thread failed miserably.
Your worldview is faith-based, even if you do not understand this.
Hence, your clam is that science is faith-based, which is more evidence to show you know nothing about science.
Just like you have faith in blind, indifferent, chance happenstance.
Yes, according to your incredibly ignorant world view, science is blind faith and chance happenstance.
You should probably stick to faith based claims as your claims about science are very ignorant.
The biblical view goes back to creation and God's revelation of Himself as Creator to the first man and woman.
Really? Tell us who recorded those events; creation and the first man and woman? Did Adam write it all down? Eve maybe? Who recorded those alleged events? The Biblical view is that of men who lived long after those events. Looks like you failed again.
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@janesix
Thank you for confirming there is nothing of value there.
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@janesix
You mean, did I watch the video that you've put up before and have been obsessed about for some time? Yes. That's why I'm asking what is it we're supposed to learn? I see nothing of value there.
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@Mopac
Lame excuse, your assertions have already been shown false. You can read the dictionary definitions here...
Truth
- the quality or state of being true.
- that which is true or in accordance with fact
- a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
God
- the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
- a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
- an adored, admired, or influential person.
Therefore, God is not truth and truth is not God.
If you cann't show this to be wrong, then we have established that you have no argument.
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Exposing you as a liar and fraud on the topic is plenty of additional. If anyone has nothing to add, it's you.I see you have nothing to add to this topic.
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@Mopac
Why do you lie about that, your words are above just there showing that you have no clue what isotopes are. Why is everything you say a lie?I know what isotopes are.
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@Mopac
He is revealing all of our lies, one by one. He is not preaching, YOU are. And clearly, you are the one not listening to anyone. You only want to preach.I see it as a reflection of your inability to truly listen.
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@Mopac
Yes, you are too busy preaching lies to us, you can't waste your time defending your lies, you will just keep repeating them.I am far too busy to waste my time dealing with
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@Mopac
It's not a feeling, it has been demonstrated you have been lying.If you feel so sure that I'm lying,
challenge me to a debate
You don't know how to debate nor are you here to debate, you are here only to preach and your preaching has been shown to be false, that you are lying and deceiving everyone here.
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@Mopac
You have asserted that, but have not demonstrated that. I have demonstrated you were wrong about God being truth.You are very wrong.
And I'm not really a dictionary preacher, but few things demonstrate the arbitrariness of the atheist more than the dictionary.
The dictionary has clearly shown YOU were wrong about God and truth. Here, you can read it again to see how wrong you were...
Truth
- the quality or state of being true.
- that which is true or in accordance with fact
- a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
God
- the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
- a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
- an adored, admired, or influential person.
Therefore, God is not truth and truth is not God.
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@Mopac
Please explain how "1" is different in nature and provide examples?Math when applied to reality is fuzzy. No two 1s are actually the same in nature.
it wasn't long after that the atoms were broken down further into isotopes, and then even smaller pieces.
Isotopes ARE atoms. LOL!
Even of the same isotope are truly the same.
Nope, isotopes are atoms with a different value of electrons or neutrons.
Binary was mentioned earlier in this topic. Duality is the nature of creation. Relativity. Compare this to the singularity.
Meaningless drivel.
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@PGA2.0
Prove it, don't just assert it.You confuse science with scientism.
Origins of life or the universe are not repeatable events, otherwise, we could experiment and recreate the universe or life from non-life.
Please tell us how to recreate life in a laboratory? Since the process took millions of years, please tell us how to recreate an experiment that represents millions of years? This is your ignorance of science.
The focus shifted to finding answers by human measures alone.
That's because Religions failed to provide answers that align with the evidence of nature. This again is your ignorance of science.
Data does not tell us anything. How we interpret that data guide us in our thinking.
Wrong, the data tells us everything, you are biased to interpret it. Again, your ignorance of science.
News flash: We are all biased. There is NO neutrality.
No, YOU are biased, YOU had no neutrality. Science MUST be neutral or else we would never learn anything. YOU are biased, that's why you never learn anything. Again, your ignorance of science.
Newton saw a monotheistic God as the masterful creator
Newton never found a Creator, ever. No one has found a Creator. It's all about faith and bias.
So, Newton tried to think of things in terms of God's creation. He was discovering how God directed nature to His will.
If Newton were alive today and understood current scientific theories, he would know he was wrong about that, just like you are.
Thus, he rejected the biblical revelation.
Wrong, Darwin did no such thing. Your ignorance is huge on the topic of science.
And clearly you have a deep bias against God
That's impossible, God would have to exist before I could have a bias against God. Not only that, I have never said anything against your God to show a bias. That's a big fail on your part. Another lame excuse for you not being able to form a valid argument.
We do science because there is a uniformity of nature
No, we do science because we want to learn. You don't want to learn, you want to remain ignorant and biased.
There is no reason in a universe devoid of God why we should be able to do this. Science relies on there being uniformity. There would be no laws, and no science, without things happening in the same manner repeatedly.
Word salad, meaningless.
We have now established your massive ignorance of science, hence you have no position to comment on the topic. Pretty much everything you say is wrong and biased. Perhaps, you're best to stay away from this topic and try to work your way back to the topic and tell us why God didn't write the Bible?
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@Mopac
Your argument is simply being ignorant and sticking to your guns.
Mopac the Dictionary Preacher has failed. His clam is God is truth and truth is God. The dictionary does not support this claim.
Truth
- the quality or state of being true.
- that which is true or in accordance with fact
- a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
God
- the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
- a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
- an adored, admired, or influential person.
Therefore, God is not truth and truth is not God.
The Dictionary Preacher has failed.
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@Mopac
You are lying again, you will never find the term Ultimate Reality in Scriptures or Theology.I am not making an innovation, this is how God is understood in theology.
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@Mopac
this is not how Satan is understood in theology.
"Ultimate Reality" - This is also not how God is understood in Theology. You have failed using your own argument, again.
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@Mopac
You are not open to the possibility that your interpretations are faulty,You are simply throwing as much garbage at the wall as you canThat is why engaging you is a waste of timeI personally find what you are doing to be insulting.
Thank you for providing pretty much the exact words you need to hear about your posts.
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@PGA2.0
I have never stated that God is ONLY a thought of the human brain, a figment of our imagination,
Yet, that's the only thing you have ever demonstrated, nothing more.
but I point out compelling evidence, whether you want to believe it or dismiss it.
No, you haven't, you have made assertions, you've provided no compelling evidence.
That is between you and God and I leave it with Him for He knows best.
God isn't here, you are.
The existence of God has been/is obvious to a majority of people throughout the course of human history.
The existence of God is always based on faith, that's what it says in the Bible and that's what has always reflected reality.
They look at the universe and reason it must be the work of a Creator God.
No, they have faith God is the Creator, they have no evidence. It's all guesswork based on their bias towards wanting God to exist, just like you.
Unfortunately, many people do not worship God as He is. They have molded God into what they want Him to be. Thus, a myriad of world religions.
That looks exactly like what you have done, too. Although, it's not God they've molded, it's their faith in God that was molded, just like yours. You are no different than any of those others. There are many religions much older than yours so how do you know you are right and they are wrong?
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Let us be clearer, that is baloney. Plenty of people come to the conclusion that there certainly is a Creator of kinds based on reasoning and logic alone.
THAT is pure baloney. Clearly, you have no concept reason or logic, which you've displayed countless times claiming God Worlds, Overlords and other such fantasies you've created in your mind.
Theistic beliefs, they are based on logic and rationality.
THAT is more baloney. Theistic beliefs are based on myths and superstitions, there is zero logic and rationale in your beliefs, especially. Delusion is the best way to describe them.
The practice of spirituality is objective by nature
THAT is uber baloney and is a contradiction to everything you have said about your beliefs. There's nothing objective about them at all.
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@janesix
I am not sure if my mind works like yours does. Like a normal person.
Being honest with yourself is all you have to do, not much more than that.
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@Mopac
And when it comes right down to it, neither of you God deniers are really debating against me, you are debating against God.
That is a very obvious lie. If we were debating God, we wouldn't be talking to you.
Of course, you've been refuted and shown to be wrong about God and truth, which you have ignored in favor of creating a lie. Lying is the only way you can make a point. Your God is going to be very angry at you for lying in his name. A fiery pit of eternal flame awaits you.
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@PGA2.0
That's not science, that's being biased. You look at the data and it will tell us how reality works, no interpretations required.Either you look at the DATA and interpret it from a naturalist or supernatural viewpoint
I look at the scientific evidence in a way that confirms God's existence
That's being biased and is not how science works. There is absolutely nothing in any scientific data that has ever confirmed any gods existence, including your God.
Newton saw science as a way of investigating God's creation and finding out more about his Creator
Yet, Newton found nothing about any Creator.
Darwin saw science as a way or separating God from creation.
That is entirely and completely false. Darwin was being a scientist without the same bias as you have. He looked at the data and realized all living things evolved.
Clearly, you have a deep bias against science and what science has discovered. It's no wonder why you know so little about it and that which you do know is wrong.
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@janesix
You want the "truth" based on what you want to be the truth and not what the truth really is. Your words here would be very different if you were actually looking for truth.I want the truth. Now you know.
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@janesix
Are you my psychiatrist now? You seem to know a lot about what I want.
You are the one who is telling us what you want, it doesn't take a psychiatrist to figure that out, it's obvious based on your words.
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@janesix
It's in your entire narrative. You said yourself you won't honestly discard your experiences, that you look at the solar system and believe it was created by God, that it doesn't look natural, despite the scientific explanations. These are all things you want as opposed to what's real.
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