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@secularmerlin
Yet, no matter how many vague questions you offered, they all failed to make a dent. In fact, I proved I had free will, which you could not argue. Call it a bald assertion all you want, you are the one who failed to show that.Actually all you've done is make the bald assertion that you possess freewill.
it doesn't matter. Cause and effect are a perfectly good explanation of any natural phenomenon unless evidence is provided that more is at work.
Yes, it matters, because it was easy to dismantle your bald assertions of cause and effect.
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EtrnlVw claims:
It is a superior food source and I'm only gifting you with power and health.
But, you are no expert and are actually giving bad advice based on what the experts say. Why would you willfully try to harm others?
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EtrnlVw says: Lol, how about you try it and find out for yourself what is "healthy".
I have no reason to experiment with foods when I can read what the experts encourage you to eat to meet the body's requirements. You are no expert by any stretch of the imagination.
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@PGA2.0
The prophecy did not state the day or year. The prophecy did not state Roman soldiers would surround and destroy it. Hence, no prophecy.
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Evidence-the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.A thing or set of things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment:The means by which an allegation may be proven, such as oral testimony, documents, or physical objects.broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion.[1] This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.In law, rules of evidence govern the types of evidence that are admissible in a legal proceeding. Types of legal evidence include testimony, documentary evidence,[2] and physical evidence.Not a single one of these definitions contradict or show there is no evidence for a Creator, quite the opposite if you know how to read.
There are no body of facts or information on any Creator.
There are no things or set of things to form conclusion or judgment on any Creator.
Testimonials and documents cannot be corroborated with any body of facts or information on any Creator.
Assertions are not corroborated with any body of facts or information on any Creator.
This is not a court of law, this is an investigation into the existence of any Creator.
All of those show contradictions to the existence of any Creator. There is no evidence of a Creator.
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@PGA2.0
That's because you have yet to show it is historical fact.No one has disputed what I claim is historical fact
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That is entirely false, human experience has never shown consciousness outside of the brain, that is what YOU dictate. Since you've claimed your experiences include visiting God Worlds and talking with Spiritual Beings and Overlords there, it's not very likely your claim of consciousness is not produced by the brain or mind has any merit.I explained in the other post is that consciousness cannot be experienced away from the brain or the body if it were produced by the brain.That's pretty much commonsense, your experience would be confined to only your brain and there would be no conscious experience away from it....but human experience and as well as my own dictate that it is certainly true that consciousness is not produced by the brain OR the mind.
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@3RU7AL
I will reiterate, regardless of what a person posts, only the individual themself can either confirm or deny their personal motivations.
That would be a false claim as it would demand you've read every single ET post, here and on ddo. My evidence above stands, if you've read every post then you can easily see how it aligns with the very cult ET has promoted. This is a very dangerous cult, and while ET is free to preach his beliefs and promote the cult, everyone else is free to expose it and it's adherents for the harm the cult has caused to many people.
You can see her his behavior regarding the cult and the evidence provided above in those links, ET certainly ignores the exposure of the cult but you can his reaction when it is exposed.
... this old man ... that kind of trashy behavior. I ignore em 99% of the time...
Not sure what you're defending him and his cult?
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@3RU7AL
I would like to think that you of all people would be able to understand the difference between quanta and qualia.
Lol. One thing I certainly understand is when someone with poor reading comprehension skills pretends to act intelligent.
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@3RU7AL
No, you were just caught in a lie. Own up to it.And yet another ad hominem attack coupled with an appeal to ignorance.
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@EtrnlVw
I study spirituality as a whole so he is just trying to sabotage my discussions
You have promoted the ECK cult on many occasions despite the fact you were shown the cult has destroyed many lives, yet you continued to promote it. How is that not recruiting for your cult?
My foundation is the Gospels of Jesus
We've been down that road before many times and it would found that your beliefs; God worlds, Karma, Jesus and all the other nonsense you parade around these forums aligns almost perfectly with that cult. I encourage anyone to find out for themselves.
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I often wonder why those with the weakest reading comprehension skills must resort to lying? Have they also no concept of the fact they are lying or making stuff up?
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@3RU7AL
Now we know you're lying, that claim would demand you have read every single post of Et, here and ddo.Only EtrnlVw can confirm if they are a member of any of the organizations they mention or if they would like anyone else to join a particular group.
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@EtrnlVw
You're absolutely right, he's a member from DDO that used to harass my posts and constantly try and insult me.
That is a blatant lie, you have posted many times on my threads and my posts without any engagement from me whatsoever.
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@EtrnlVw
Science does not answer questions about God or anything other than what we study in our physical universe,
God has never been shown to exist hence there are no questions to answer.
This is why we look at other methods of study that are capable of reaching where science cannot
Yet you or anyone else has never provided any valid methods of attaining knowledge or information. Navel gazing doesn't work.
Science constantly changes
Nope, science continues to use the same methods to attain knowledge and information, it's called the Scientific Method.
incapable of currently answering questions about any Creator and doesn't even pretend to actually.
The Creator is just a fantasy in your mind, hence science has no interest in it.
look at religion and spirituality as a whole, look at all the NDE's, OBE's, spiritual encounters, spiritual insights, soul travel
Those are just more fantasies created in peoples minds. They are as valid as Leprechauns riding Unicorns.
I've seen and had many spiritual experiences and I study NDE's and spiritual based testimonies and there is no single other subject or topic that is as vast and numerous as the amount of evidence from so many sources as spirituality, it's actually stunning all the information and experiences that are available.
That's merely the result of ignorance of the world around you and an overactive imagination.
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@3RU7AL
Nope, he has mentioned many times that cult, here and ddo, that we need to look into it. How is that not recruiting?
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@secularmerlin
It is impossible to prove a negative
I have proved a positive, that I have free will.
That being said however what neuroscience has discovered would seem to suggest that our "choices" are not made consciously at all and that our subconscious "knows" what we will do before we are consciously aware of it.
But the experiments also show conscious choices were also made based on various tasks in the experiment. It was found that when people had time to think about something, they made better decisions based on their subconscious rather than their conscious.
See the universe, including human behavior, is perfectly explainable by cause and effect.
That is your own assumption and not a conclusion of the experiments.
I reject your claim based on a lack of evidence
Do you freely and willfully reject my claim? Did you do so out of ignorance?
I have given an argument for how the universe could work without freewill
Lol, you've done no such thing. That's your fantasy.
I am not asking for anything you do not regularly ask theists for. Evidence to support your beliefs.
You've provided absolutely nothing that shows free will doesn't exist. Not sure where you get that notion.
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Not only has any theist been able to answer this question with any sanity, they can't even support their claims that men were inspired by God. We can see how many of them fantasize about God in their own way, so it would stand to reason the authors of the Bible were very much like theists today, ignorant of the world around them with all their answers revolving around magic and delusion.
The Bible is the word of con men, and not very bright or convincing men, much like the theists here.
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@EtrnlVw
don't be afraid to replace meals with all fruits
That is not healthy, it is recommended to have 2-4 servings of fruit per day ALONG with other foods such as meat and veggies.
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@mustardness
No, it's because your posts are incomprehensible gibberish. Go figure.
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@EtrnlVw
That's indeed one of the many fantasy versions out there, but it's not a reason, it's a rejection and denial of fact.
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@PGA2.0
Nor did I state God is only a thought in a human brain. I actually see a difference between a mind and a brain.
You may not have stated God is only a thought in a human brain, but no one, including you, has ever demonstrated God is anything but a thought in a human brain. The mind is a function of the brain.
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@secularmerlin
Yes I am perfectly free to willfully consider your argument, which I have, you just need to admit you have no argument, that we all have free wills.
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@PGA2.0
The wars, famines, earthquakes apply to 1st-centuryIsrael; the Jewish people of that time.
Don't be ridiculous, wars, famines, and earthquakes happened all the time.
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@secularmerlin
At any time my free will decides.
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@Vader
Interesting choices, for me it would be an amuse-bouche, followed by a gespacho soup, waldorf salad , peking duck, tiramisu and a mignardise with coffee.
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@eash
Are you the clitoris guy from ddo?
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@secularmerlin
Again, whatever my will decides at any given moment is what I'll have.
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That is pure gobbledygook. Are you sure you're in our world?It's a simple misconception really, because while God can't do anything contradictory per say the Creator can do whatever is possible. So in our world, God is unlimited in that there's nothing impossible for what is possible, whatever is possible is possible. What is there to consider possible that's NOT possible? an impossibility is a nothing not a something.
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@secularmerlin
It all depends on my free will to choose one over the other at any given moment.
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@secularmerlin
Over tea, yes, bourbon, no.
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@secularmerlin
I can wake up every single morning for the rest of my life and try and jump to the moon. I have the free will to do so and will attempt it everyday even though I have the laws of nature against me. My will says I can do it. My will is controlled by my mind. My mind has rotted from too much time in the Religion forum.
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That is one of the most irrational, illogical, unreasonable and bizarre things I've ever read. It's unfathomable that people actually think they can make sense of it let alone believe in it.First, God is not a thing but a personal being. Second, the three are different Persons, all one in unity and essence or nature. The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. Third, since a man, Adam, sinned against God and caused the Fall a Man was needed to restore the relationship with God by meeting His righteous requirements.
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@secularmerlin
My will to do something is completely free. Like I explained earlier, we are bound by the laws of nature, therefore I may have the free will to jump to the moon, but the laws of nature won't allow it. Not having the means to do something is not the same thing as having the will to do it.
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@secularmerlin
I base them on my will, just like everyone else. It doesn't matter what I do, I have the free will to do it regardless of events.
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@PGA2.0
There's nothing to challenge. Prophecies are baloney, they talk about things that happen all the time; wars, earthquakes, etc. Also, most claimed prophecies were written after the events happened, not before. You've been fooled.Go over there are challenge it if you wish
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@PGA2.0
By the impossibility of the contrary.
That makes no sense at all.
Show me how that is possible. Show me it is reasonable to believe
That's the answer scientists are working on, it's called abiogenesis. You need to understand it before you can believe it. But then, there's no reason to believe it if you understand it.
THERE IS NO REASON.
There doesn't have to be reason for the universe to exist. it just exists as do we. This is simple to understand. Is there a reason for mosquitoes? Why then do they exist? Answer, they just do exist.
. It has NO ABILITY to do anything. Intentional beings have abilities to do things.
But, the laws of nature can do things, as we can see in nature itself. Tell me what the reason was for the tsunami that killed over a quarter million people? Was there a reason or did it just happen because of the laws of nature?
For instance, roll a six on a dice repeatedly, without fixing it in any way one million times in a row. Theoretically, you can claim it possible but to demonstrate it would take forever.
That's a meaningless strawman, it says nothing about our discussion. Irrelevant.
How can you know certainty without a necessary all-knowing being?
Easy, we use our brains to think, something it appears you aren't doing.
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@secularmerlin
If any event can change or effect your mind in any way then your mind is subject to cause and effect.
Not unless I "willfully" change my mind, the event is irrelevant.
Is this the case or does toich8ng a stove have no effect on your mental state whatsoever?
Sorry, but you're working from false premises. No matter what the event, it will always be my will to do or not to do regardless of the circumstances or consequences. Events don't automatically do that for me.
When you were a child you likely did touch something hot and it likely burned your childish little fingers.
Never happened to me. And those who it did happen may have enjoyed the experience and "willfully" continued to burn themselves or willfully did not. The event did not automatically do that.
It really doesn't matter how many examples you come up with, none will automatically change ones mind, they have to willfully change it and it may not be, as you say, "almost certainly yes". False conclusion based on false premises.
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@PGA2.0
. Take Daniel 9:24-27. That is very specific. Only 490 years
Those are weeks, not years, hence the prophecy is false.
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@secularmerlin
We are talking about whether your mind is subject to cause and effect.
But, since you're being extremely vague, then it's not easy to answer any questions.
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@PGA2.0
Again, the burden of proof becomes impossible for me to establish because by your authority you will never accept what I have to say or what the Bible says.
Completely wrong, you can't establish any proof because you have absolutely NO proof whatsoever. That has nothing to do with us and everything to do with you.
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@secularmerlin
It doesn't matter why it happened it is still an event
But, there was no "will" behind it, so it's irrelevant. We are talking about will, right?
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@EtrnlVw
There are no such things as observations for things that are invisible. Nor are there facts and knowledge about things that have never been shown to exist. Please use your dictionary to understand the words you are misrepresenting dishonestly.The entire world and vast body of spiritual facts and knowledge....Observations which come through applying spiritual principles
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@PGA2.0
How would you ever believe what God says if you do not believe He exists.
That is the entire point of the thread, GOD NEVER SAID ANYTHING! If he did, the Bible would have been written by God. It wasn't.
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@PGA2.0
A being that is self-existent. He does not depend on another being or anything else for His existence.
There you go again, saying things that you believe but can't answer with any kind of logic or reason. How do you know any of that?
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@PGA2.0
Necessary for what? Billions of people are getting along just fine without God.For one thing, He is a necessary Being
The rest of your post only talks about what you believe, it doesn't answer my question on how you know the Bible was inspired by God. You keep saying about how it's logical and reasonable to believe things like rising from the dead, which is utterly absurd and not even remotely logical or reasonable.
You don't have to believe anything I say, you're supposed to have a brain in your head to think. But since you believe it's logical and reasonable for people to rise from the dead, then you clearly aren't using your brain to think.
The Bible may make the claim it's an authority, but it was written by men who are not any kind of authorities.
All of your questions are from ignorance and incredulity. If you took the time learn something, you would understand a great deal more and not have to resort to magic to rule your worldview.
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@secularmerlin
Touching a stove is something that happens in real time in the observable physical universe.
By accident, maybe, but certainly not willingly.
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@secularmerlin
you can claim that the mind is unaffected by said event.
Don't put words in my mouth.
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@secularmerlin
Then, if I wasn't ignorant, I willfully would not have touched the stove nor would I have even thought about it, a non-event in my mind.Presumably out of ignorance
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