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@janesix
One more time, others have shown his work to be completely wrong, but he just ignored everyone so he could write his books and sell them to gullible people. Yeah, he was a liar. If you don't understand that simple concept, then you're far more gullible than I thought.THAT DOESNT make him a liar. You havent proven he is a LIAR
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@janesix
You're free to pursue whatever you want, but it's intellectually dishonest of you to show Munck in any way other than what he was; a fraud who bilked others of their money. Since everything Munck produced has been shown to be wrong, then you'll find you're just banging your head against a wall.
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@janesix
I have already shown you an example of Muncks garbage being wrong, but it seems, like Munck, you will ignore it all in favor of supporting fraudsters like him. How very sad, Jane.
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@janesix
Oh I see, so if I can't personally escort you to a particle accelerator where they can run the experiment just for little ole' you, then it's all bs? The Standard Model is one of the most successful theories ever put forth as it explains (via evidence) most if not all fundamental particles. I can't help it if you're too lazy to learn about this stuff on your own, I'm not your teacher.
Since we've already dismantled Muncks garbage, why do you pursue this?
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@janesix
No, the people who exposed him as a fraud said he was deliberately fooling others.YOU are saying he was trying to "fool" people
If Brian Green is found to be wrong about string theory, are you going to accuse him of fraud as well?
Greene never made the same clams as Munck. Greene is a scientist who understands the concept of falsification. Munck did not care about falsification, that's why he made money off of the gullible.
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@janesix
Quarks have been observed in particle accelerators, the gravitational effects of dark matter have also been observed. I know none of this is of any interest to you because you would have already looked into it. You simply don't understand anything scientific so you turn to magic. That's not a problem of course, until you start claiming magic is real, which is what you're doing here.
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@janesix
It's not what's in his mind, it was his actions and how he went about fooling the gullible and making money from them.
I wonder why you would want to defend fraudsters and hucksters like Munck, they are basically criminals and you are defending them.
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@janesix
Yes, it does show he was a fraudster, considering he just balked at others and continued to sell his wares. He made money from the gullible, like all hucksters.Yes his "code" is wrong, but that doesn't make him a "fraudster" like you sayHe believed he was getting his information from aliens
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@janesix
No such thing as Prana Energy has ever been shown to exist, most likely your eyes have problems and you need to see an optometrist.
It is interesting that the inventor of Pranic Healing died at an early age in life.
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@janesix
You mean, you haven't even done your homework, you didn't even bother to look into Muncks claims? Then, you have the gall to say I have a closed mind? Hilarious. Sec already provided you with sources, but you just ignored them.
Here's just one example....
Carl Munck says about Stonehenge that it comprises of 60 stones at the outer circle and 15 stones in the center. There are today 93 stones, not counting the missing ones. He neglects the other stones or doesn’t even show them in his own made drawing.
He continues by stating that the 60 stones are arranged in a circle, which is true, and then asks if they might knew about 360 degrees. We don’t know that, it could be so, it could not be so. But he then makes a huge jump by making the equation of 360 × 60 = 21,600 without any further knowledge. It is the second grandiose assumption in Munck's theory, but most people might not even recognize it as unrelated assumptions, because they are mathematically ignorant.
Munck then picks the rough latitude of Stonehenge 51°10', which is only correct within one nautical mile.
He makes the division 21,600 ÷ 51 ÷ 10 = 42.35. This division is completely unrelated, but that is masked behind the empty phrase that the ancients spoke a mathematical language, and hints to the idea that we are ignorant. Of course.
The outcome of this division is 42.35". With that he constructs the center latitude of Stonehenge to be 51°10'42.35", which is false. It is 51°10'44". So, he is lying. It’s in fact 51 meters wrong. Munck's "magical" formula is wrong.
He makes the division 21,600 ÷ 51 ÷ 10 = 42.35. This division is completely unrelated, but that is masked behind the empty phrase that the ancients spoke a mathematical language, and hints to the idea that we are ignorant. Of course.
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@janesix
I asked for a description or explanation, not a worthless testimony based on a lie. If you can't even explain what you're talking about, how can you expect others to offer anything?
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@janesix
Because he was exposed as one by folks who weren't ignorant and gullible and actually knew what they were talking about. One can simply look at this calculations and where he gets his information to see that he's trying to pull the wool over your eyes, which he clearly has done, which is no surprise at all.
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@janesix
What is "Spiritual Power"? Can you define or explain this phenomenon (that no one has ever observed)?
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@janesix
Jane, your statement right there is where you admit you are the one with the closed mind.I would pity you and your closed mindYour materialist answers do not phase me a bit. I KNOW the universe is designed
So, you haven't figured out Munck was a fraudster, tricking gullible people into believing his nonsense, which was literally false assumptions and incorrect results? If you knew something about science, you would see he's wrong, but you want to believe nonsense over science because you don't understand science and hate everyone that does, as you admit above.
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@RoderickSpode
Churches always have an agenda to convert those they allegedly try to help, they should be closed down in favor of places that have no such agenda.The smaller churches would have a problem paying taxes while carrying out their community work
Churches of various sorts have sprung up and apparently exploited the privilege originally given to charitable churches in America.
Yes. to the tune of some bilions of dollars in lost revenues that could be used for places of community work that have no agendas to convert people.
You don't have to lie, Rod, everyone knows it's all about converting people to Christianity and very little to do about helping others. Those churches need to be shut down.
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@3RU7AL
When you say, "who asked you" these are clearly the words of a schoolyard bully.
No, they are the words towards someone who rudely butts into a discussion making demands, like a school yard bully would do, so you just described yourself.
When you say, (essentially) "you're an idiot" these are clearly the words of a schoolyard bully.
No, that would said to someone who was an idiot. And where did I say that exactly? Are do you too have to lie to make your point?
This forum is full of liars, so I'm not surprised.
If you can't defend your claims with specifics, just say so.
Says the guy who is utterly incapable of defending his claims. Run along, junior. Go read a book and learn something.
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In Iran, if a girl is raped and impregnated by her father and wants to get an abortion, she'll be sent to prison for the rest of her life.
Oh wait, that's the fucking Christians in Alabama.
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@RoderickSpode
That person doesn't know how to use their brains, they are naive, gullible and very ignorant.An example of the flaw in your theory is that people do become believers because of someone's personal testimony.
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@RoderickSpode
A Creator with a brain in his head would never just give YOU personally evidence of it's existence, a Creator would provide hard evidence to it's existence to everyone equally. This is simple basic logic.The evidence is for me. The evidence of God has already been provided. Wouldn't you agree that the creator of the universe would be able to provide evidence, and/or proof of his existence to where an individual would know he was the creator?
Try to remember, YOU are not special.
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@RoderickSpode
Are you seriously asking that question?Then why is it used in court?
In court, testimonial evidence pertains to REAL people, REAL facts, REAL evidence and REAL events. Testimonial evidence supports all of those things, they do not support assertions of things that have never been shown to exist.
Of course, feel free to walk into any court room and provide testimonial evidence for God, then see how quickly you are escorted out of the court room to a nearby clinic where the judge would have ordered a psychiatric evaluation.
Testimonial evidence is completely useless, worthless and not valid in any way when it comes to religious beliefs.
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@janesix
It's actually you Jane who needs to expand their horizons, not me. Your knowledge and understanding of the world around you is more backwards than it is abysmal. You rely on magical explanations where none exist rather than trying to understand how things really work.
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@janesix
You can only see what's in front of your face.
Yes, that's what eyes do, they see things in front of our faces. If it isn't in front of our face, then we probably can't see it or it simply isn't there.
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@janesix
No, you have a very closed mind, closed to facts, evidence and science. Your mind is open to only that which has some mysterious magical powers attached to it and little to do with reality. This thread and many more like it from you are testaments to that.An open mind.
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@PGA2.0
That is just one of the many lies you've told here. I'm tired of hearing them from you and constantly having to correct you. It's pathetic. That's all you do here. You have no arguments.He has shown me time after time that he is not interested in a discussion. We keep talking past each other. He doesn't hear the argument he is so invested in justifying his worldview, as are you that you are both to the point where you attack me rather than my arguments.
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@3RU7AL
Wtf? Who am I bullying exactly and how am I doing that? We've established in the past your lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, so I'm not expecting much of a lucid answer.
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@janesix
Then, just read Sec's post and you'll find the answer as to how interesting your OP.I am just posting this on the internet so it is available to others who are interested, who might be smarter or more in tune than I am
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@RoderickSpode
Rod, one can look anywhere in nature to see what Sec is talking about, it's stunning that you don't understand.
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@PGA2.0
How can I show someone who does not want to be shown?
That is another lie considering he just asked you to show him. This is what I refer about you constantly lying.
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Theists are yet to enter the modern world as reason, logic and rationale are what represents it; and they have floundered.Well I don't consider atheist activists (especially militants) as representing the rest of the modern world.
I think obsession is a sign of weakness.
I still have yet to understand why theists are so obsessed with living in the past rather than joining the modern world. Weakness of the brain, perhaps?
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@PGA2.0
All of them. There are too many to count. Your posts are filled with them. I have no idea why you lead your life chasing lies. Seems rather absurd.What lies are you accusing me of?
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@RoderickSpode
Sec is trying to explain something to you about how nature works, pay attention and learn.
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@RoderickSpode
That is incorrect, theists make efforts to sound like primitive tribal folk, they do that entirely on their own with no help from anyone else. The rest of the modern world would like to ignore them, but they keep rattling their skulls and bones and beating their drums all day long.In today's modern world, in spite of efforts to make theists sound like primitive tribal folk
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@RoderickSpode
Tribe B, obviously. Tribe A are idiots who have no brains in their heads, can't reason or rationalize so they will lose. This is of course, unless Tribe B are also idiots and they believe Tribe A has a god.Let's say 2 tribes are at war. Tribe A tribal chief tells his warriors that their god is on their side, will fight for them, protect them, etc. Tribe B says they have no god, the warriors are on their own. Who's most likely to survive?
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@Outplayz
Nothing happened to you, it was most likely a delusion, you hear and see things, they're called hallucinations. That's why others don't have them.But what if ... the observer, lets say that's me, has had sufficient evidence? I can't prove that evidence bc as far as i know... it only happened to me.
Wouldn't spirituality make more sense if it's only for the observer and not for everyone? If everyone had the same evidence as i did... they would be exactly like me... how boring would life be if everyone is the same?
That is absurd, the world would not be boring and everyone would not be the same. If it isn't happening to everyone, which it clearly is not, then you can rest assured you're experiencing delusions.
I personally don't want objective proof of spirituality. I think it's perfect as it is... However, when i talk to you about why i'm spiritual (at least in my case) i have enough evidence to suspect there is something going on.
You mean it's perfect that you can pretend you're having experiences others don't have. That's really sad, dude. Grow up. You're acting like a small child, try being an adult.
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@PGA2.0
I have no idea why you lie all the time. You tell me why?How is that so?
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@PGA2.0
Your questions are not valid, that is the point, they are all based on lies, they don't need to be answered, you need to start asking questions that are not based on lies. Do you understand?
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you can never convince me that your Catholic club is anything but a farce.
Why do you not understand that what the both of you say is nothing but a farce?
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Just like Mopac, here we have EtrnlVw repeating the same delusional nonsense he's been spouting for ages and no matter how many times it's explained to him that testimonial evidence is not evidence for the existence of something, he ignores it and just keeps on repeating his ridiculous mantra over and over like a stuck record. And as usual, he childishly calls others names and insults them when his garbage is being questioned or criticized. But he is above all of us in that we are supposed to take his word hook, line and sinker without a shred of evidence. He then confirms his delusions by admitting:
It's irrelevant what man claims as far as what exists, but man is the only one who can acknowledge that dum dum.
He just sank his own argument. Yes, it is irrelevant what you claim as far as what exists, EtrnlVw, thank you for acknowledging that dum dum.
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Wow, the amount of lies, disinformation and ignorance on this thread is stunning. It's hard to believe folks here can be so wilfully stupid.
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@Mopac
You don't think that there is a difference between inspiration that comes from love of God and inspiration that comes from the love of this world?
Huge difference, we can see from many of your hate filled troll posts that inspiration from God destroys ones honesty, integrity and ability to think.
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@PGA2.0
Can you (your country) afford to support the rest of the third world freeloading in your country (send them all to your sanctuary cities and States and see how they fare)? What does the debt load mean to your children and grandchildren? Can you afford the drug epidemic most of which is transported through your southern border? How many of these illegals have criminal records? How many are MS 13? What about the child and sex trafficking going on?
Notice that PGA can only contribute blatant lies to his hateful narrative of others he fears due to the hate mongering of his beloved Trump.
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@secularmerlin
Sorry but your interrupting a debate with you proclaiming. Unless you intend to debate yoir comments are unnecessary and unwanted.
Well run forums with competent moderators know this and they make sure it doesn't happen as they would have booted Mopac out within the first day or two of his constant trolling. This isn't one of those forums, though.
I brought up this issue long ago with Bsh, he supports Mopac 100%.
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@secularmerlin
Links to relevant studies don't help people who deny evolution, they don't even understand the very basic principles of the theory, how it works and how it explains the evidence. They unlikely even took biology in high school.Do you want me to send you some links to relevant studies? I'm pretty sure I have before but if you would like me to send them again...
Sending links to studies is like sending a schematic upgrade of a turbo fan jet engine to someone who doesn't know how a propeller works.
There's little point in engaging science deniers with the very science they don't understand.
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It's not about trusting the theory of evolution, it's about understanding the theory and how it explains our origins based on the vast amount of physical evidence. There is no evidence for gods creating humans.Have you counted out God as a source for the origins of our existence because of what you trust to be purely "natural" processes, AKA evolution?
Evolutionists/Atheists what if what you thought to be a natural phenomenon was actually a conscious process manifested by a Creator?
If there were evidence of such a Creator, but there is none. Evolution explains our origins along with the mountains of evidence to support it.
I will be positing that the actual processes are put into action by the Creator.
Please do.
the processes we observe in our universe through science could be compatible with Theism
Nope.
If it's not possible, give me your best reason why.
Theism is based on faith and magic, science is based on evidence and facts. Not compatible.
If it's possible, why have you counted it out?
The same reason every other religion/god is counted out, no evidence.
keeping in mind that there is no lack of evidence, rather a misinterpretation of the process
There is indeed a lack of evidence. Testimonials are not evidence to the existence of something.
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@RoderickSpode
Again, well it doesn't really matter then which god created us since he obviously allows for wars. Right?
Or, more likely, based on whether or not that god had a brain in his head, there simply are no gods and we create our own wars.
How about we eliminate soccer? People get killed at soccer games for rooting for the wrong team.
The sport of soccer doesn't get people killed, idiots get people killed and there are laws for idiots who kill other people.
How about we get rid of colors of the spectrum? At least as far as clothing. If we all for instance wore white, gang members couldn't kill anyone for wearing the wrong colors.
Perfect, so you have come up with one solution for gang members not to kill anyone, can you come up with better solutions for the real reasons gang members kill others?
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@RoderickSpode
But the evil Bible God theme is prevalent throughout the internet by atheists in general
That's because it's prevalent throughout the Bible.
I have absolutely no say on who God is
Except everything you believe from the Bible about who God is.
But wouldn't any God be absolutely evil? Even a creator not attached to any religious text still allows catastrophes, violence, and natural disasters. In fact, wouldn't just the fact that there's death at all render any creator evil?
To do evil, actions must take against others. If you said God controls everything, then he controls the tsunamis, diseases, plagues or anything else that might cause needless death. I once heard the body count for God was around 32 Million.
But if the creator lays down the requirement for you to pray...
Yes, that's what a selfish, egotistical, cruel and ignorant God would do, the God of the Bible, the one with no brains in his head.
But you only provided part of my quote. And that's a problem. Of course I do. To make sure nothing is misspelled.
Nice diversions from the point I was making.
worshiped, held bible studies, held house church services in their private homes and villages.
No, they get arrested for forming groups of people or practicing their faith in public.
When you say (I assume American) theists should practice our own religion in private, what exactly would that entail?
In your home, behind closed doors, where Jesus told you to practice your religion, at home with your family, NOT in public.
Really?Time? Date? Year?
It didn't happen overnight, it took time, it was called the Age of Enlightenment, later progressing with the Theory of Evolution.
I'm not sure what your argument is, but the statement we can assume is being made to someone who knows what a duck is, and can see and hear one.
The reference was towards gods, if no one has ever seen one, how do you know they exist and how would you recognize one?
Why would you assume any sort of method in creating the universe?
Where did I say that?
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@WyseGui
Look at his post count, most are the same thing over and over, literally thousands of times. Each time he manages to troll someone, he pulls them into the same rat hole, endlessly repeating his mantra. Straight jacket and padded cell.
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@WyseGui
Of course he doesn't see that, he never will. Trolls don't use their brains, they don't have logic, or reason or any form of rationale. You will just bang your head against a wall every time you engage that troll. Don't feed the troll.Do you not see how these 2 things are specifically contradictive?
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@PGA2.0
Open borders on the Southern US border is an idiot concept, IMHO.President Trump wants to build walls in the southern states of America to lessen illegal drug traffic, trafficking, MS13, and illegal aliens.There were walls built around cities and towns in biblical/ancient Israel to protect the people.Isreal today has used walls/fences effectively in controlling the terrorism from Gaza.The Great Wall of China has proven effective in protecting the Chinese for centuries. Many nations use fences along the border of their countries to deter and lessen illegal activity. It makes sense (something your Democrat Party lacks on most issues).
The alleged upstanding Christian shows his true colors of hatred of others and wanting to keep them out. PGA2.0, the new and improved anti-Christ.
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