Goldtop

This is why I keep bringing up the fact that your are full of insults. Because it is ad hominem, a fallacy and proof of you lack of logic. People always resort to that when they have nothing productive to say.

That's nothing, he'll soon start equating you to the worst kind of scum. Don't feed the troll.

for simplicity we will call this process complimenting another thing

For even more simplicity, we call it marketing.

Is God marketing polar bears and owls?

This is not just one example here are 7 animals that do the same. These animals do not fit into evolution but they do fit with my theory that god created these animals white during the  white winter. Just like how a sponsor gave a race car driver red cloths because he has red car

I would say it would be very dishonest to say that nature is not compelling enough to simply at least consider a creator behind it's design

Why would anyone consider a creator with a design when no such thing shows itself anywhere in nature? There are many valid explanations for nature, none of them have anything to do with religions, creators or other such magic. It would be dishonest to ignore and dismiss those explanations in favor of believing in a creator with a design.

But, isn't it kind of silly to completely eliminate the idea?

Richard Dawkins said nature gives the appearance of design

No doubt you're familiar with the saying "If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, etc.......".

Forget about saying "then it must, or most likely is intelligent design". How about just simply ".....then maybe it's possible that it is intelligently designed?" But I know that you're not able to do that. That would violate your position you hold to.

What you're really asking is why didn't God just create us within his spiritual realm to where there would be no need to seek him, pray to him, have faith in him even when we can't physically see him, or see evidence of his promises.

For some reason, God's desire is for a relationship with man

In our realm we're separated from God due to our human condition that can only be resolved individually.

What causes us to battle one another (wars, racial divisions, etc.) is man's doing

People are going to kill whether there's religion or not.

And we have definitive proof of this from what we've seen even to this day with communist regimes that kill not just for religious reasons.

militant atheist manifesto

It's funny how theists just make up stuff whenever it suits them.

the God of the Bible is evil. And if he did exist, he would be someone to abhor.

Or am I wrong?

What you're wrong about is the fact you believe your God is the only god, yet there are hundreds of gods throughout history purported to exist with followers just as zealous as you. And since this is the case, the god we do happen communicate with may be nothing like your God or their gods. We can probably assume any sort of alleged supreme being would have brains in their heads and wouldn't behave anything like your vicious God or the hundreds throughout history.

I don't need to demonstrate that The Truth exists.

This is clearly an unreasonable and backwards request.

Yes, coming to a debate forum and asking others to demonstrate their claims is unreasonable and backwards. I guess that makes everyone here a troll and you're the reasonable one. Is this the Bizarro Universe?

What does, "make the attempt with me please" mean?

It means, "Let me troll you until you're as crazy as me"

that is a not a valid argument.

That which you repeat over and over and over is not a valid argument. You wouldn't know a valid argument if it weighed a ton and dropped on your head.

If you say otherwise, your problem is English comprehension.

Yet, within your posts it was found you had severe English comprehension problems, you didn't even understand the simple dictionary meanings you yourself were posting. Many wondered if you were a small child.

Who else do I know that communicates directly with God? Well, there's a guy named Tom, a woman named Jennifer, a guy named Tony.........

In other words, they are also folks who lie about communicating with God?

Why aren't they making international headlines?

Does this ring any kind of a bell?

And I'm not sure why you're telling me that I imply I communicate with God, and then ask me if I communicate with God.

First off, I base this off of scripture. So why would you claim I was lying?

Scripture was written by men. In Scriptures, it only talks about prayer as the one and only avenue to communicate with God, however there is no audible voice from God because God is supposed to answer us in our dreams, according to Scriptures. Of course, that's just a cock and bull story written by men. One would have to be incredibly ignorant and gullible to believe such a thing.

So, if you "communicate" with God, it is done through prayer, Of course, you could be praying to Allah or Thor for all you know. Any communication back to you would be done through dreams and of course, we hear folks doing all kinds of insane things because Jesus told them in their dreams.

All this shows is that the men who wrote this stuff probably had mental disorders.

This attitude is not conducive to meaningful discussion, it is wholly destructive.

And yet, you're still here, blame that on incompetent moderation.

Please quit lying

That's hilarious coming from an habitual liar.

At the same time, I believe white supremacists have the right to peaceably assemble, print their own literature, speak freely without state intervention, petition the government, own firearms, etc. 

To not respect these rights is to put your own in jeopardy even.

"Twenty-one prominent conservative Christian leaders including Franklin Graham and James Dobson are calling on congressional leaders to oppose the pro-LGBT Equality Act because of the “threats to religious liberty” the legislation poses."

“Not only is it incompatible with God’s Word (the Bible) and the historic teaching of the church, but the Equality Act is also riddled with threats to religious liberty and the sanctity of human life,” the letter stresses. “For these reasons, we must state that we adamantly oppose this proposed legislation.”

it kind of just popped into my head. Like a gut instinct

Or, maybe a brain fart? Either way, you didn't think it through and decided to post it anyways regardless of how absurd.

BS. It is clear atheists think they are superior to theists in every way.

God has spoken to you as well since you've probably read the Bible, and in addition have observed nature.

you're part of some elite intellectual group that can snub their nose at the majority of humanity

I think the idea of non-communication with the creator is a comfort zone position

If we're all smart, then we all have nothing to worry about. If we're all dumb, then that would include you since you're human (right?)

What about my explanation about God, is he smart or dumb? Would he have the brains and understanding that if he was selective, the result would be multiple religions with people killing each other, which is where we are today or would be communicate with every single human being? This has nothing to do with what I want or what you want and everything to do with what God would want.

God is not selective on who he communicates with

That is simply not true and you know it. Try to be honest.

Communication with God is open to everyone. What you do with that opportunity is up to you

The Truth doesn't change or go away simply because you find it inconvenient.

Then you already know what whining about it makes you look like.

I have been ignoring my spiritual path, and doing anything and everything to distract myself from it

Keep it up, you'll be far more enlightened than if you follow it.

you are doing more than that because I have not told anyone to do anything

I never said you did, others here were doing that and you jumped in to defend them.

The Ultimate Reality is God.

That being the case, atheists can only deny straw man gods and false idols. They have no argument that stands against The One True God.

So again, you repeat the same thing over and over, as if you consider this some sort of intellectual discussion. But, what you're doing is trolling, and you are protected to troll these forums.

At this point, the people who actually engage you with arguments to your claims are the ones who should really be thinking about why they're here and why they continue to engage the troll.

I want to stay #1 on this site.

Clearly, far more important than offering intellectual discussions.

It's like saying you want to be #1 in Darwin Awards.

If I really hated you all, I wouldn't be here. I gain no pleasure from debating the juvenile.

YOU don't debate, you troll, that's why you hate us, you gain pleasure from hating us, that's all you know how to do.

You then insult us by calling us "juvenile" and you'll get away with it. We aren't allowed to say things like that, but you, a troll, are allowed to get away with whatever you want. This is of course, the result of incompetent moderation here.

Hating me isn't going to change anything.

If goldtop had his way, I'd even be banned. It's hate 

This Ultimate Reality is what we call God,

And, with almost 4K in posts, you are still repeating the same crap over and over and over. This is what trolls do to cause problems with forums.

I am hated without a cause. I feel no guilt.

You're a troll and I know you feel no guilt about that. The problem of course is with the moderation team who have no clue. Or, they want you here to make sure the community does not get larger, that you scare away people who might want to join here and have reasonable discussions.

fasting promotes autophagy or do you deny science?

I'm questioning and criticizing those who have no clue what they're talking about but find it compelling to tell others what to eat or not to eat at all.

You think (from what I gather) that God would communicate with everyone instead of select humans. Is that because you think God couldn't  be selective, or wouldn't?

You haven't convinced me of any of that.

Which of those are supported methods of medical treatment in the Bible?

Probably none, which is the point.

Actually I'm asking you how you know that no one is communicating with God.

I already said, God would communicate with us all.

I'm sure that you know that you're not.

How do you know?

How do I know what? Are you actually asking me how I know that everyone on the planet isn't communicating with God? Is that supposed to be a joke? Are you serious? Use your head, pal.

I believe God is the one who gives knowledge on how to treat mental illnesses medically up to a point. Jesus actually made it clear that demonic possession had different levels, and how to deal with them.

it seems there are 2 options for just about everything and the usual questions

random chance

intelligent design

Perhaps you need to think small and consider some of the wonders and things that science doesn't know or can't be explained.

Yet, another ignorant, misrepresentation of science. Fasting sure causes the brain to not function very well.

That is unfortunate. I look at some of his other posts and gave him the benefit of the doubt, but yea I see it now. Guys ill just have to avoid this in the future.

You can blame the incompetent moderation team here, they have absolutely no clue how to run a forum, they not only allow, but they protect and nurture trolls like Mopac to run amok here, that's how bad it is here.

Depends what you mean by man-made.

Gods were created by men, not the other way round.

You don't think a creator of a universe could communicate with a human being?

I made an argument.

Dispute it

I came here for discussion

You provided nothing but an ad hom in the previous post

You provided nothing but fabricated lies, what do you think you should expect from that? Hugs?

Stop lying and you'll be treated with respect. Keep lying and you won't.

As far as special knowledge, what do you consider special knowledge.

That is knowledge you couldn't possibly have gained other than through your vivid imagination.

You're not going to see evidence outside of nature.

Thanks, you just admitted religions are man made.

your reply is significant in that it is an ad hominem directed at the person instead of the issue

What is even crazier is that you think what you just said makes sense.

And, Mopac trolls yet another one, unabated. Hilarious what others are allowed to get away with here. Incompetent moderation strikes again.