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@ronjs
The limitations of the dating method are well documented with many evolutionary scientists admitting that the results don't match their presuppositions (faith) and as a result they have also admitted, in publications, that they will fudge the figures to match their expected results.
That is a very obvious fabrication on your part. Try being honest, instead.
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@EtrnlVw
That's the difference between materialism and Theism
No, it is the difference between your lack of understanding definitions of words and everyone else understanding.
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@3RU7AL
That is not my standard of evidence, it is THE standard of evidence, common knowledge on a debate forum.
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@EtrnlVw
Sorry, but consciousness is a product of a brain, it is not something that has been floating around for eternity. Many life forms don't have brains, hence they have no consciousness. Please try to understand the English language, terms and definitions.
Consciousness:
- the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.
- the awareness or perception of something by a person
- the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.
Notice that nowhere in this definition does your personal beliefs have any credibility.
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@3RU7AL
You mean, like this ad hom?
I remember Goldtop, but I thought they were usually in favor of logic...
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@3RU7AL
Empirical evidence, also known as sensory experience, is the information received by means of the senses, particularly by observation and documentation of patterns and behavior through experimentation. The term comes from the Greek word for experience.
You're welcome. Go.
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@Mopac
If I quote scripture, you will attack scripture.If I quote theologians, you will reject them as being bias.If I quote the dictionary, you will reject its authority.
Scriptures and theologians have been shown to be wrong.
The dictionary is not an authority, it is a reference.
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@ravensjt
All your required to do is show an example of something coming from nothing....
Read the OP.
You're welcome.
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@ethang5
Just a heads up, Goldy is a well known troll from DDO. Don't take him too seriously.
Still as childish as ever. You do realize that's how children talk, E? Lol.
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@3RU7AL
Do you not understand the concept of empirical evidence? If not, go and educate yourself, then come back and support your claims with evidence.
Your so-called logic is absurd.
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@Mopac
If you make God to be something other than The Truth you are not going by the proper theological understanding of the concept.
Your personal beliefs are not that of everyone else. This is something of reality you fail to understand.
Your position is that 3 = 4, and I am telling you that is not correct
Sorry, but in reality, 3 =/= 4 so that is not my position, but instead, one you fabricate dishonestly to make your point.
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@ethang5
I said science does not lead to abiogenesis
Argument from Ignorance.
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@ethang5
The evidence is in the fact there is life on Earth. This is a simple fact that for some reason (ignorance) you can't seem to fathom.
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@ethang5
Lying about it only makes your position of ignorance much worse.But for how long will they hold on to this groundless speculation? In 6,000 years there has been no evidence, and no instance in nature or the lab. Not one instance in recorded human history. Why?It's baseless speculation. It certainly isn't science.
Of course, this science will continue long after we're both gone. Your children's children will accept it as fact as the details roll out. They'll look back and laugh at you.
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@ethang5
Someone obviously asked you.You should have declined.
I'm talking science, no one knows why you're here denying science. It's baffling why someone would go to the trouble of doing so only to make themselves look the fool.
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@ethang5
And both of us agree faith is normal, it just should not be presented as science.
You should tell that to the army of scientists working on the research. They'll all just laugh in your face, of course.
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@3RU7AL
Perhaps we don't share the same definition of "logical support".
Ah, so it is a reading comprehension problem, as I suspected.
I never said anything about logical support. I asked you to provide evidence for your claims, which you have yet to do. If you don't understand the written word, you have a big problem that no one here can solve other than you.
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@3RU7AL
Repeating the same thing over and over is not an argument. You need to support your claims, which you have yet to do.
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The two main postulates of evolution are:
1. Natural Selection
2. Diversity of Species
The first talks about the process of evolution in how genes are passed on. The second talks about what we observe as a result of that process.
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@ethang5
No one asked you to post your ignorance of science here, you did that entirely on your own. Not my problem. Go and educate yourself so you sound somewhat intelligent.
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@Mopac
Your proclamations of faith are irrelevant. Go stand on a street corner and preach. This is a debate forum, not a pulpit.
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@3RU7AL
The problem may be one of reading comprehension. I did not demand logic nor pretended to do so. I asked you to support your claims which you have refused to do. You may want to take some remedial reading classes to help you understand the written word. Go.
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You pretend to demand evidence to support my claims and I have provided a well known standard logical refutation of free will, and you ignored it.
I see you choose to avoid supporting your claims. There's nothing more to say, your claims stand empty.
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@Mopac
I'm not telling you reality is anything other than what it is.
Your god fantasies are not anyone's reality, they are just your fantasies.
When I say The Truth, I mean The Truth as it truly is not what I believe or what anyone believes The Truth to be.
Reality is the truth. Do yourself a favor and join it sometime.
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@Mopac
So if you would stay on topic, please.The One who contains All Truth is God.
Yet, you yourself have gone off topic, Mr. Pot.
I am talking about Jesus commandment, you're preaching about your God, Mr. Pot.
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@Mopac
Really? So, according to you, reality is delusion and magic is reality. Gotcha.It has nothing to do with sharing my beliefs. If you don't love the truth, you have chosen delusion over truth.
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@Castin
I'm not gonna make assumptions about what other people inwardly "know". How can I be truly certain of what's going on in someone else's head?
Often, it's their own words that reveal what's going on in their heads.
I see you've found DART. Where's the guitar pic?
I'm in the midst of selling that guitar and might put up a pic of my next one.
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@Mopac
Again, if you have to follow a commandment to behave, you have yet to grow up.
So, grow up.
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@3RU7AL
When you say, "You've made some silly claims and bald faced assertions, have you got any evidence for the above?" this is an appeal to ignorance.
Nope, I am asking you to support your claims, but you just keep avoiding it.
The implication being that free will, objective reality, and infinity are valid concepts prima facie and do not require evidence themselves.
But, YOU require evidence to support your claims.
I then replied with a well known standard logical refutation of free will, and you ignored it.
Because you ignored my request for you to support your claims, and you're still avoiding it.
If you find a flaw in my logic, please point it out.
Go back to post #4 and support your claims.
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@ethang5
We don't pick and choose science.
Yet, that's exactly what you and your other Creationist buddies are doing.
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@IlDiavolo
I think this hypothesis comes along with the evolution theory, mere spectulations.
No, they are both facts that science has uncovered.
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@ravensjt
Yet, it is science with real scientists doing research. I suppose you're yet another one requiring a great deal of education on what science is. Please do educate yourself so you sound somewhat intelligent.To believe in Abiogenesis and then worse yet to call it Science seems to be a claim of faith
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@ethang5
As usual, ethan lies. Your ignorance of science is not my problem. Educate yourself.. He even dodged the simple question to his O.P.
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@ethang5
You have proven time and again you know nothing about science, go educate yourself so you might sound intelligent. This is not an insult, it is the truth.
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@Mopac
People who are strongly deluded tend to suffer. This is an observable fact.
I see your pain. It looks excruciating. You have my sympathies.
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@Mopac
Those who receive not the love of The Truth will be cursed with strong delusion. Love others as you love yourself.
You just contradicted your way of life. You can't say on one hand to love others as you love yourself and then say they're cursed and strongly deluded simply because they don't share your beliefs.
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@Mopac
"This is my commandment
Nope, not big on commandments. If an adult has to be commanded to behave, they clearly haven't grown up yet.
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@Outplayz
It was Richard Dawkins who point that out after he observed the parents of young children dressing them up in religious garb and calling them Christian, Muslim, etc. The poor kids had no clue what was going on.
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@ethang5
@Mopac
How is this related to abiogenesis? How does it indicate abiogenesis?
It doesn't look like science to me.
Just look at the two of you, couple of sad sacks stumbling into the Science forum illuminating it with dim bulbs.
Maybe you can both educate yourselves on what science is so you might sound somewhat intelligent.
I'll try and wait.
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@drafterman
Exactly, the key word being "details". The process seems simple enough, oceans and heat, either from the vents on the bottom of the ocean or the sun. Most likely, life has sprung from any number of planets with similar characteristics, probably many millions of them in our galaxy alone.
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@mustardness
Try using a dictionary before making a fool of yourself, ebuc.
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@Castin
Fogle's psychiatrist said he had replaced his overeating disorder with "soft" pedophilia.
I don't recall ever seeing that one on a Subway menu.
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@3RU7AL
If you find a flaw in my logic, please point it out.
I did, you avoided it, post #4. Go.
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@3RU7AL
You should have just said from the get go that your bald faced assertions and silly claims are nothing more than that. Your so-called reasoning is just a bunch more assertions.
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Is there any question that abiogenesis isn't true?The earliest known life-forms on Earth are putative fossilized microorganisms, found in hydrothermal vent precipitates, that may have lived as early as 4.28 billion years ago, relatively soon after the oceans formed 4.41 billion years ago, and not long after the formation of the Earth 4.54 billion years ago.
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The Hall of Fame thingy was always a clique thingy, folks who actually deserved recognition never got it simply because they weren't part of the "group"
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@linate
Living forever would be totally awesome.
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